Is this common pratice with Affiliate programs - GoFuckYourself.com

Nbritte · 12-03-2002, 01:38 PM

I was looking at and affiliate programs and when I went to the sites join pages I noticed that there was a ratio of 1 join option the webmaster gets paid for to every 2 options the webmaster doesnt get paid for. It is common for affiliate program to have join pages where the odds are higher that the surfer will select an option the webmaster doesnt get paid for?

Nbritt

gothweb · 12-03-2002, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by Nbritte
I was looking at and affiliate programs and when I went to the sites join pages I noticed that there was a ratio of 1 join option the webmaster gets paid for to every 2 options the webmaster doesnt get paid for. It is common for affiliate program to have join pages where the odds are higher that the surfer will select an option the webmaster doesnt get paid for?

Nbritt

Can you explain a little more what you mean here?

Alky · 12-03-2002, 01:42 PM

common practice is the webmaster gets paid for everything they earn.

DarkJedi · 12-03-2002, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by Alky
common practice is the webmaster gets paid for everything they earn.

thats debateable.

Ian · 12-03-2002, 01:46 PM

You should get paid for everything you send. Be careful of the sponsors with 20 exit consoles that don't have your code on them. Check further than the console free example sites in the join sections.

ZoiNk · 12-03-2002, 01:48 PM

With recurring, you normially get paid for primary and backup processors, not web900. Same with per signup. The only sponsor I know of offhand that gives web900 is ARS. Check's aren't sometimes paid to affiliates, depending on the program, b/c cheques have a very high fraud rate compared to CCs.
ZoiNk

Brujah · 12-03-2002, 02:13 PM

Is this about Epoch and the cross-billing ?

Lexxx · 12-03-2002, 02:18 PM

Yes it's common. Only a handful pay on every join option.

HungSolo · 12-03-2002, 02:19 PM

I know what you mean.. Like when I'm promoting a site through iBill, and I goto their signup page and they have 3 or 4 sign up options for the surfer, epoch, ccbill, whatever, but the referral code is an ibill code....

anyways, to answer your question... no, I don't think it's common, but it does happen. ;)

KRL · 12-03-2002, 02:23 PM

The best sponsor programs are where you share in the recurrings. The inclination as webmasters is to go for the quick $35 pop upfront which with some programs might be better but for most you're shortchanging yourself by not taking advantage of the long term value of that customer. For example if you're on a 60% recurring deal and the customer is being billed $30 per month and he hangs in there for 4 months, you've made more than if you had taken the $35 pay per trial deal.

A good honest program will carry your code forward into the exit consoles and every form of billing. Badpuppy for example carrys your webmaster id code into 900 billing and paypal in addition to the cc billings.

The reason why many sponsors do shaving is because they have paid webmasters for trials that don't convert into recurrings. So if you do 3 signups on a sponsor that pays $35 on each trial that sponsor just shelled out $105 to you. What if 2 of the 3 signups cancels in 3 days and doesn't go into recurring. Now the sponsor has to pray that one customer stays long enough to make back their $105 they paid to you and a profit. The easy way out is to shave for the sponsors because it eliminates that risk.

With recurrings you are in a better partnership deal for both parties, which is why sponsors don't have to pull the shaving on that method.

Nbritte · 12-03-2002, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb

Can you explain a little more what you mean here?

ok and example would be the site
uses ccbill which is who you would sign up with then on the join page

there are 2 links for ccbill one trial and one full

on the same join page there is globill with 1 trial 1 recurring and 1 non recurring
and there is one paypal sign up on the join page also

that is 6 sign up links and the webmaster would get paid for only the ccbill sign ups

Nbritt

Honeyslut · 12-03-2002, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
The best sponsor programs are where you share in the recurrings. The inclination as webmasters is to go for the quick $35 pop upfront which with some programs might be better but for most you're shortchanging yourself by not taking advantage of the long term value of that customer. For example if you're on a 60% recurring deal and the customer is being billed $30 per month and he hangs in there for 4 months, you've made more than if you had taken the $35 pay per trial deal.

A good honest program will carry your code forward into the exit consoles and every form of billing. Badpuppy for example carrys your webmaster id code into 900 billing and paypal in addition to the cc billings.

The reason why many sponsors do shaving is because they have paid webmasters for trials that don't convert into recurrings. So if you do 3 signups on a sponsor that pays $35 on each trial that sponsor just shelled out $105 to you. What if 2 of the 3 signups cancels in 3 days and doesn't go into recurring. Now the sponsor has to pray that one customer stays long enough to make back their $105 they paid to you and a profit. The easy way out is to shave for the sponsors because it eliminates that risk.

With recurrings you are in a better partnership deal for both parties, which is why sponsors don't have to pull the shaving on that method.

I made a separate tour and url for my affiliates' codes with NO consoles or traffic leaks and kept the consoles and other advertisement that I promote alone .

pipp · 12-03-2002, 02:31 PM

mhm this is dirty shit. Have one with ccbill code that have paypal and ibill web900 as well, only get paid for ccbill. The funny stuff is when the program owners is dodging questions about things llike this. So I don't ask about it anymore just move on. There is enough prgrams/sites to promote that gives you full credit for your traffic.

Catalinas · 12-03-2002, 02:41 PM

It's probably more common than you think.. especially with the smaller affiliates because they don't have the money to get software that will track on all of the back up processors, etc.

I always always take my linking code and click to see what a surfer would see as far as join page and pop ups. I also look at the site without a linking code to see what join options they get if they went back the next day to join. I've found some that use a different processor for their main url. This to me is bad because no one's gonna bookmark with my linking code, they'yre gonna type in the url and I won't get credit for the sale. Sort of like a one time opportunity to join and if they don't, then too bad so sad for me.

HungSolo · 12-03-2002, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Catalinas
It's probably more common than you think.. especially with the smaller affiliates because they don't have the money to get software that will track on all of the back up processors, etc.

I always always take my linking code and click to see what a surfer would see as far as join page and pop ups. I also look at the site without a linking code to see what join options they get if they went back the next day to join. I've found some that use a different processor for their main url. This to me is bad because no one's gonna bookmark with my linking code, they'yre gonna type in the url and I won't get credit for the sale. Sort of like a one time opportunity to join and if they don't, then too bad so sad for me.

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12-03-2002, 01:38 PM	#1
Nbritte Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Kentucky USA Posts: 689	Is this common pratice with Affiliate programs I was looking at and affiliate programs and when I went to the sites join pages I noticed that there was a ratio of 1 join option the webmaster gets paid for to every 2 options the webmaster doesnt get paid for. It is common for affiliate program to have join pages where the odds are higher that the surfer will select an option the webmaster doesnt get paid for? Nbritt

12-03-2002, 01:48 PM	#6
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	With recurring, you normially get paid for primary and backup processors, not web900. Same with per signup. The only sponsor I know of offhand that gives web900 is ARS. Check's aren't sometimes paid to affiliates, depending on the program, b/c cheques have a very high fraud rate compared to CCs. ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

12-03-2002, 02:13 PM	#7
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Is this about Epoch and the cross-billing ? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

12-03-2002, 02:18 PM	#8
Lexxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 1,489	Yes it's common. Only a handful pay on every join option. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-03-2002, 02:23 PM	#10
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	The best sponsor programs are where you share in the recurrings. The inclination as webmasters is to go for the quick $35 pop upfront which with some programs might be better but for most you're shortchanging yourself by not taking advantage of the long term value of that customer. For example if you're on a 60% recurring deal and the customer is being billed $30 per month and he hangs in there for 4 months, you've made more than if you had taken the $35 pay per trial deal. A good honest program will carry your code forward into the exit consoles and every form of billing. Badpuppy for example carrys your webmaster id code into 900 billing and paypal in addition to the cc billings. The reason why many sponsors do shaving is because they have paid webmasters for trials that don't convert into recurrings. So if you do 3 signups on a sponsor that pays $35 on each trial that sponsor just shelled out $105 to you. What if 2 of the 3 signups cancels in 3 days and doesn't go into recurring. Now the sponsor has to pray that one customer stays long enough to make back their $105 they paid to you and a profit. The easy way out is to shave for the sponsors because it eliminates that risk. With recurrings you are in a better partnership deal for both parties, which is why sponsors don't have to pull the shaving on that method. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

12-03-2002, 01:42 PM	#3
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	common practice is the webmaster gets paid for everything they earn.

12-03-2002, 01:46 PM	#5
Ian Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,259	You should get paid for everything you send. Be careful of the sponsors with 20 exit consoles that don't have your code on them. Check further than the console free example sites in the join sections.

12-03-2002, 02:19 PM	#9
HungSolo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: A Galaxy Far, Far Away... Posts: 582	I know what you mean.. Like when I'm promoting a site through iBill, and I goto their signup page and they have 3 or 4 sign up options for the surfer, epoch, ccbill, whatever, but the referral code is an ibill code.... anyways, to answer your question... no, I don't think it's common, but it does happen. ;)

12-03-2002, 02:31 PM	#13
pipp Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Where the sun don't shine Posts: 1,185	mhm this is dirty shit. Have one with ccbill code that have paypal and ibill web900 as well, only get paid for ccbill. The funny stuff is when the program owners is dodging questions about things llike this. So I don't ask about it anymore just move on. There is enough prgrams/sites to promote that gives you full credit for your traffic.

12-03-2002, 02:41 PM	#14
Catalinas Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 346	It's probably more common than you think.. especially with the smaller affiliates because they don't have the money to get software that will track on all of the back up processors, etc. I always always take my linking code and click to see what a surfer would see as far as join page and pop ups. I also look at the site without a linking code to see what join options they get if they went back the next day to join. I've found some that use a different processor for their main url. This to me is bad because no one's gonna bookmark with my linking code, they'yre gonna type in the url and I won't get credit for the sale. Sort of like a one time opportunity to join and if they don't, then too bad so sad for me.