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JFK 07-21-2009 09:39 AM

100 great success Tips:thumbsup

Shap 07-22-2009 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK (Post 16089655)
100 great success Tips:thumbsup

Thanks JFK :thumbsup

JFK 07-22-2009 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16093364)
Thanks JFK :thumbsup

Pleasure sir, keep up the good work:drinkup:drinkup

kristin 07-22-2009 08:54 AM

One thing I've always admired about your company Shap is you take one project at a time and do it right, to perfection.

We recently put a halt on some of our newer projects to really focus on our program, sites, etc. We released the mobile, added a lot more content, looked at new tours, did a lot of testing, optimizing, and monetizing.

As as many have said, cutting expenses is the way go to as well. Do you really need to spend $30k on a dinner that will probably not get you the ROI expected or is it worth $10k to show appreciation to your current WMs who actually send you traffic?

kristin 07-22-2009 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16084228)
Which is fine. How is that related to this thread?

It doesn't ... many WMs would rather blame tubes for all of what's happening rather than finding solutions.

How many TGPs/MGPs changed over years in terms of design? And then most had their traffic being handled by a third party after awhile.

One has to be willing to change with the times and put in the effort, yes it's not as easy as 1999, but what is?

sexdatesj 07-22-2009 09:02 AM

Very well said and well put. Thanks!

mb 07-22-2009 09:13 AM

Thanks Shap... you reminded me of a few things. Funny how after all these years you can let the little things slip.

marc

gideongallery 07-22-2009 02:28 PM

put an offer in every payment you send out

print it on the cheque stub portion

i have done this in my business and it really pays off not only will you get sales from your affiliates/suppliers but from their banks and accountants too.

Aquarius 07-22-2009 03:38 PM

Nice tips man!

gocubbiesjess 07-22-2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 16083639)
Alexis Texas :thumbsup

Roald you are my pal...her site goes up in 3 weeks, almost done. She's doing a funky reality shoot for her site the next several days. I hope you got the zips today..my Mac is temperamental lately.

And thx for being patient with us..being new and all :)

Shap - damn good advice, thx so much!

gideongallery 07-22-2009 07:13 PM

bump for a thread with really good ideas

chompers 07-22-2009 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16095679)
bump for a thread with really good ideas

I agree.

It's funny how Steve Lightspeed never returned to this thread. I like how he got busted on gfy for his top affiliate making only $400 a month he manually changed it to show $20k+. Then also came in posting he had his best day ever. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh He wrote Greed Kills. He should remember that ego kills too :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Steve's has had great success, he is no doubt a smart man. It's a shame he's turned into one of the crybabies that cries for things to go back to 2001. 2001 is gone. I'm sure Palm wished it was 2001 again lol. I'm sure Dell wishes it was 2001 again. Probably worldcom, lehman brothers, gm also wish it was 2001. It ain't. It's 2009. Get used to it.

WHOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SteveLightspeed 07-22-2009 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chompers (Post 16095811)
I agree.

It's funny how Steve Lightspeed never returned to this thread. I like how he got busted on gfy for his top affiliate making only $400 a month he manually changed it to show $20k+. Then also came in posting he had his best day ever. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh He wrote Greed Kills. He should remember that ego kills too :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Steve's has had great success, he is no doubt a smart man. It's a shame he's turned into one of the crybabies that cries for things to go back to 2001. 2001 is gone. I'm sure Palm wished it was 2001 again lol. I'm sure Dell wishes it was 2001 again. Probably worldcom, lehman brothers, gm also wish it was 2001. It ain't. It's 2009. Get used to it.

WHOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The only person who ever agrees with GideonIdiot is his other fake nicks. :2 cents: And FYI, I didn't "manually change" anything. The tracker is a rolling 31 day total. Sometimes the #1 spot it is lower and sometimes it is higher. It changes every day.

And I'm not crying for the past either. I'm working on a new idea that will fuck up illegal tubes and put the honest people in this business back on top.

"Adapt and Kill" :321GFY

jesse_adultdatingdollars 07-23-2009 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 16066657)
i like your sig

I like that sig to :)

gideongallery 07-23-2009 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 16095867)
The only person who ever agrees with GideonIdiot is his other fake nicks. :2 cents: And FYI, I didn't "manually change" anything. The tracker is a rolling 31 day total. Sometimes the #1 spot it is lower and sometimes it is higher. It changes every day.

1. have eric check the ip address of the post, i don't have fake nicks period


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And I'm not crying for the past either. I'm working on a new idea that will fuck up illegal tubes and put the honest people in this business back on top.

"Adapt and Kill" :321GFY

2. good luck with that, your lawyers were the ones who said it was ok to trademark a name without doing a search thru id records of produced porn for prior uses of that name.
i am not to confident that anything the come up with be anything but a massive waste of time but maybe you got lucky this time.

like i said before when you mentioned i am going to be the first person to predict this will fail.

oceania 07-23-2009 06:32 AM

good point - should be done on a regular basis :)

mabcom 07-23-2009 06:35 AM

Do you or do you know of someone in the business that will look at a site(s) and make recommendations to improve them?
My wife and I have been on over 15 years now as amaeturs!
A lot of people love us and we are also hated because of the fetish content we include. Used to be a big producer but has fallen off.
We love the business and being in it literally. Just need ideas I guess.

gideongallery 07-23-2009 11:36 AM

shap keep the ideas comming

Shap 07-27-2009 07:19 AM

Hey Steve. I replied to your comments but obviously haven't heard a reply from you. I'm just curious why you felt it necessary to come to this thread and make comments that were in many ways irrelevant to what I was saying? This thread was about helping people improve their business and not in any way about being greed or screwing the surfer.

Shap 07-27-2009 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 16093423)
One thing I've always admired about your company Shap is you take one project at a time and do it right, to perfection.

We recently put a halt on some of our newer projects to really focus on our program, sites, etc. We released the mobile, added a lot more content, looked at new tours, did a lot of testing, optimizing, and monetizing.

As as many have said, cutting expenses is the way go to as well. Do you really need to spend $30k on a dinner that will probably not get you the ROI expected or is it worth $10k to show appreciation to your current WMs who actually send you traffic?

Hi Kristin. Thanks. It's funny because our biggest flops have been projects where we didn't do that. Whenever we try to rush a project, or hop on board a trendy wave we screwup bad. Luckily I have really good managers that control my ADD and my constant barrage of must launch ideas :1orglaugh

SteveLightspeed 07-27-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16110984)
Hey Steve. I replied to your comments but obviously haven't heard a reply from you. I'm just curious why you felt it necessary to come to this thread and make comments that were in many ways irrelevant to what I was saying? This thread was about helping people improve their business and not in any way about being greed or screwing the surfer.

My response about greed was prompted by this statement:

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16066625)
The best way I could say it is: Leave as Little Money as Possible on The Table!!!

I was simply pointing out that a "slash and burn" policy might work today, but not tomorrow. Hidden prechecked xsales are a good example of "leaving as little money as possible on the table". Surfers that feel like they've been "milked for every penny" will be less likely to buy anything online again. I wasn't directing anything at you Shap. I was really just adding my 2 cents to the conversation.

Shap 07-27-2009 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 16111031)
My response about greed was prompted by this statement:



I was simply pointing out that a "slash and burn" policy might work today, but not tomorrow. Hidden prechecked xsales are a good example of "leaving as little money as possible on the table". Surfers that feel like they've been "milked for every penny" will be less likely to buy anything online again. I wasn't directing anything at you Shap. I was really just adding my 2 cents to the conversation.

We were saying the same thing :winkwink:

katdaddy 07-27-2009 08:03 AM

Damn Shap you're getting old when you start handing out wisdom 8P.... long time no see my friend glad to see you make it happen....

gideongallery 07-28-2009 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16111068)
We were saying the same thing :winkwink:

except your saying it from different directions
your is the positive
steves is the negative

i much prefer your

keep posting the ideas if you got them. i am taking notes.


here is one from my experience

every business is divided into five catagories
lead generation
conversion
money per order
customer life/retention
productivity (time per dollar earned)

instead of focusing on one, cycle thru them when doing improvements. Counter pressures to each optimization always happen and when you optimize one complete first you sacrifice what could be significantly greater improvement in another section.

secondly your first improvement is usually the most significant, going from nothing to something usually results in the best results, with each future improvement being only minor comparitively. cycling maximizes growth.

third these 5 catagories multiply in effectiveness, try and double your business by doubling your leads is very hard. doubling your business by increasing your leads by 15% your conversion by 15% your money per order by 15% your retention by 15% and your productivity by 15% is very easy. (1.15^5).

MrMaxwell 07-28-2009 07:01 PM

"THIS AIN'T GRADE SCHOOL, MOTHERFUCKERS."
Quote of the decade
~The Fred~ 2004

Barefootsies 07-28-2009 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16114838)
except your saying it from different directions
your is the positive
steves is the negative

i much prefer your

keep posting the ideas if you got them. i am taking notes.


here is one from my experience

every business is divided into five catagories
lead generation
conversion
money per order
customer life/retention
productivity (time per dollar earned)

instead of focusing on one, cycle thru them when doing improvements. Counter pressures to each optimization always happen and when you optimize one complete first you sacrifice what could be significantly greater improvement in another section.

secondly your first improvement is usually the most significant, going from nothing to something usually results in the best results, with each future improvement being only minor comparitively. cycling maximizes growth.

third these 5 catagories multiply in effectiveness, try and double your business by doubling your leads is very hard. doubling your business by increasing your leads by 15% your conversion by 15% your money per order by 15% your retention by 15% and your productivity by 15% is very easy. (1.15^5).

Now go put that into practice with your own brillant adult industry ideas and investment smart guy instead of trolling message boards with your 'hot tips' of wisdom.

:2 cents:

gideongallery 07-28-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 16117108)
Now go put that into practice with your own brillant adult industry ideas and investment smart guy instead of trolling message boards with your 'hot tips' of wisdom.

:2 cents:

ah i do
most of the 163 unique techniques we developed are grouped together into these cycles.
i am not as stupid as you keep claiming i am.

topnotch, standup guy 07-28-2009 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16114838)
every business is divided into five catagories
lead generation
conversion
money per order
customer life/retention
productivity (time per dollar earned)

instead of focusing on one, cycle thru them when doing improvements. Counter pressures to each optimization always happen and when you optimize one complete first you sacrifice what could be significantly greater improvement in another section.

secondly your first improvement is usually the most significant, going from nothing to something usually results in the best results, with each future improvement being only minor comparitively. cycling maximizes growth.

third these 5 catagories multiply in effectiveness, try and double your business by doubling your leads is very hard. doubling your business by increasing your leads by 15% your conversion by 15% your money per order by 15% your retention by 15% and your productivity by 15% is very easy. (1.15^5).

Does anybody have even the faintest idea what this clown is talking about?

I mean really?

In another post I saw him blathering on and on about branding watermarks on bugs asses or somesuch :1orglaugh

MrMaxwell 07-28-2009 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 16117207)
Does anybody have even the faintest idea what this clown is talking about?

I mean really?

In another post I saw him blathering on and on about branding watermarks on bugs asses or somesuch :1orglaugh


I don't know much about the rest of his post.. but this part sounded really fucking dead on, to me..

"try and double your business by doubling your leads is very hard. doubling your business by increasing your leads by 15% your conversion by 15% your money per order by 15% your retention by 15% and your productivity"

Imortyl Pussycat 07-28-2009 10:23 PM

wow Shap, another awesome thread with great advice you've started here :thumbsup you're impressing the pants off me these days :winkwink:

D-Money 07-28-2009 10:27 PM

Great thread (and sig) Shap. Now I'm gonna be up all night checking all my domains.

ParlourCash Karl 07-28-2009 11:04 PM

Great Read, we have been increasing sales monthly by doing exactly that.

JayAllan 07-29-2009 12:10 AM

Shap,

I rarely get on GFY these days, and when I do it is usually to chuckle at the usual ridiculous posts and infighting between regulars. Your thread is a welcome diversion. Although I rarely do any work in adult these days I have been shooting girls since 1992. I stopped working in adult because I hated dealing with all the short sightedness of my clients and the lack of caring that was almost universal with regards to the quality of the product. That and the turn and burn approach everyone seems to have with regard to their customers.

I can see that your philosophy is different. It is refreshing to see that you are not only interested in providing a quality product, but also that you are not willing to bait and switch your customers to shave a little extra $$. I work with a lot of creative entertainment people. People who are very successful household names. I find that universally they are more interested in making something that people will love and take something away from than something that just makes money. They really care about their customers and because of that the customers keep coming back.

The adult industry will always have the "quick buck at any cost" mentality, but it is nice to see that not everyone is playing that game.

:2 cents:

gideongallery 07-29-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 16117207)
Does anybody have even the faintest idea what this clown is talking about?

I mean really?

In another post I saw him blathering on and on about branding watermarks on bugs asses or somesuch :1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 16117468)
I don't know much about the rest of his post.. but this part sounded really fucking dead on, to me..

"try and double your business by doubling your leads is very hard. doubling your business by increasing your leads by 15% your conversion by 15% your money per order by 15% your retention by 15% and your productivity"

to many people focus on one aspect of the business when doing optimization
steves slash and burn example is a classic example of that

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 16111031)
I was simply pointing out that a "slash and burn" policy might work today, but not tomorrow. Hidden prechecked xsales are a good example of "leaving as little money as possible on the table". Surfers that feel like they've been "milked for every penny" will be less likely to buy anything online again. I wasn't directing anything at you Shap. I was really just adding my 2 cents to the conversation.

by focusing exclusively on the money per customer order and ignoring retention and conversion is what causes this problem

when you rotate thru the different sections doing one small optimization and then going to the next section you avoid putting blinders on your business optimization.

duranfly 07-29-2009 05:36 PM

well said......Its money to be made and if all the sites shut down maybe we will still be around when things pick up and make all the money lol


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