A few paysite questions - GoFuckYourself.com

vanillaice · 06-02-2009, 09:36 AM

I'm on the verge of setting up a paysite, but I have a few questions...

1. What's the best way to handle content management at a 'newbie' rate? I've seen what appears to be some fantastic programs out there, but definitely out of my price range at the moment. I'm basically looking for something to generate galleries at this point, and anything else is a bonus.

2. What is a good amount of photos per set? I'm thinking somewhere around 75-100 quality pictures

3. A few questions about CCbill..
a) don't they charge something like $700 to start?
b) what are good members management scripts that run well with ccbill?
c) why don't sites accept paypal? Does PP only do non adult which forces people to stay with ccbill?

4. How is retention these days? Assuming I give them exactly what I promise in the tour (no tricks or gimmicks), update content on time like promised and have her do weekly or bi-weekly cam shows, what can I expect for retention? Ballpark figures obviously because I know it also depends on the personality of the girl, how members feel about her, how you tease them and want them coming back for more, etc.

Thanks for the answers! Sorry if some of these questions are dumb

Evil-Dan · 06-02-2009, 09:49 AM

I hope your concept is amazing, because the traditional pay site model is not a happening thing

Not trying to be a downer, just being honest

FrozenJag · 06-02-2009, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanillaice

I'm on the verge of setting up a paysite, but I have a few questions...

1. What's the best way to handle content management at a 'newbie' rate? I've seen what appears to be some fantastic programs out there, but definitely out of my price range at the moment. I'm basically looking for something to generate galleries at this point, and anything else is a bonus.

2. What is a good amount of photos per set? I'm thinking somewhere around 75-100 quality pictures

3. A few questions about CCbill..
a) don't they charge something like $700 to start?
b) what are good members management scripts that run well with ccbill?
c) why don't sites accept paypal? Does PP only do non adult which forces people to stay with ccbill?

4. How is retention these days? Assuming I give them exactly what I promise in the tour (no tricks or gimmicks), update content on time like promised and have her do weekly or bi-weekly cam shows, what can I expect for retention? Ballpark figures obviously because I know it also depends on the personality of the girl, how members feel about her, how you tease them and want them coming back for more, etc.

Thanks for the answers! Sorry if some of these questions are dumb

1. Not sure, but elevatedx looks good. 200/mo Not sure what your version of noobie rate is.

2. Yeah, pretty good number IMO.

3a. Yes
b. NATS works well.
c. Paypal = Non Adult

4. Dunno

JimmiDean · 06-02-2009, 09:54 AM

3. A few questions about CCbill..
a) don't they charge something like $700 to start?
Its the fee for Visa CCbill has no start up cost
b) what are good members management scripts that run well with ccbill?
They have their own built in
c) why don't sites accept paypal? Does PP only do non adult which forces people to stay with ccbill?

paypal does not accept adult period
hope that helps

JimmiDean · 06-02-2009, 09:55 AM

And yes elevatedX is awsome and the price is right.

Sly · 06-02-2009, 09:56 AM

Do you have your own traffic?

vanillaice · 06-02-2009, 10:02 AM

Damn, 700 visa fee? Lame.

And no, no traffic right now, but I have a few ways of getting that when i'm ready for it

Sly · 06-02-2009, 10:03 AM

Actually it's $750.

vanillaice · 06-02-2009, 10:08 AM

So to the experts out there then, say you're me. You have experience in the industry, at least know the 'ins and outs' of it. However, you're tight on cash, but you have an 18 year old girl with an extremely hot body willing to do a site either solo or hardcore (doesn't matter to her)... how do you go about it?

Sly · 06-02-2009, 10:10 AM

Do cams and clip stores first to build up some traffic and cash and content, then start a site.

SilentKnight · 06-02-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by vanillaice

So to the experts out there then, say you're me. You have experience in the industry, at least know the 'ins and outs' of it. However, you're tight on cash, but you have an 18 year old girl with an extremely hot body willing to do a site either solo or hardcore (doesn't matter to her)... how do you go about it?

If you're thinking of going paysite - go with a niche category. BDSM/fetish still sells well in a paysite format.

But as others have already pointed out - the traditional paysite concept is growing stagnant...unless you have something unique or special to offer. That's why I strongly suggest something like fetish.

Are you doing the photography/video yourself - or contracting it out? Guy-With-Camera could be a roadblock to success.

Zorgman · 06-02-2009, 10:31 AM

I agree with Sly. Do some videos, sell them and make money from other webmasters buying her content. Sell at non exclusive value so you can still use them later once you build up enough.

Use www.clips4sale.com and other places to sell her content to surfers.
Register a domain for her and link to the clips4sale shop.
Do some strip tease (mostly softcore/no boobs or pussy showing) and place it on youtube. Maybe get her to dance and place a watermark in the video.

Just my 2c.

kmanrox · 06-02-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by vanillaice

So to the experts out there then, say you're me. You have experience in the industry, at least know the 'ins and outs' of it. However, you're tight on cash, but you have an 18 year old girl with an extremely hot body willing to do a site either solo or hardcore (doesn't matter to her)... how do you go about it?

get your girl into an ironclad contract made my an actual lawyer (investment), get some nice pics made of her, send them to established solo girl programs like thatoneprogram.com or lightspeedcash.com and whatnot and make a deal with them... that's the easiest way to go about it... if you're willing bust ass to get her going there's other ways to go about maxing this chick some of which was mentioned here... either way, you're going to need an ironclad contract with her or someone will find a way around you and steal her from ya... welcome to the real world.

and goodluck of course.

Manowar · 06-02-2009, 10:33 AM

yeah its 750 unless your in the EU

Barefootsies · 06-02-2009, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanillaice

I'm on the verge of setting up a paysite, but I have a few questions...

1. What's the best way to handle content management at a 'newbie' rate? I've seen what appears to be some fantastic programs out there, but definitely out of my price range at the moment. I'm basically looking for something to generate galleries at this point, and anything else is a bonus.

2. What is a good amount of photos per set? I'm thinking somewhere around 75-100 quality pictures

3. A few questions about CCbill..
a) don't they charge something like $700 to start?
b) what are good members management scripts that run well with ccbill?
c) why don't sites accept paypal? Does PP only do non adult which forces people to stay with ccbill?

4. How is retention these days? Assuming I give them exactly what I promise in the tour (no tricks or gimmicks), update content on time like promised and have her do weekly or bi-weekly cam shows, what can I expect for retention? Ballpark figures obviously because I know it also depends on the personality of the girl, how members feel about her, how you tease them and want them coming back for more, etc.

Thanks for the answers! Sorry if some of these questions are dumb

1. If you are a noob you are trying to control costs while figuring if you belong in this business. Either go B-H-E.com (rev share business model. No BW hosting, or processing charges, free strawman CMS), or use SiteDepth ($599.00).

2. Fifty to a hundred.

3.a. Yes. For VISA processing.
b. SiteDepth.
c. Check their T.O.S.. PP does not process for 'virtual' adult goods. Only tangibles. However, it is similar to paying for anything 'virtual'. You find that out when people do a charge back.

4. I can only speak to my niches... foot fetish, tickling, and celebrity. Retention is fine. Some rebill a few months, some rebill forever. Others are one hit wonders, or pop up every 2-3 months.

Ultimately your pay site will play a roll in the retention piece of the equation. Your content. How often you update, etc..

Good luck chief.

vanillaice · 06-02-2009, 10:40 AM

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Are you doing the photography/video yourself - or contracting it out? Guy-With-Camera could be a roadblock to success.

I would but my gf is not a big fan of me doing that (ugh), so i'm likely going to have my brother or friends do it for now. I'd like to hire someone professionally if I do get some interest through clips...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Use www.clips4sale.com and other places to sell her content to surfers.
Register a domain for her and link to the clips4sale shop.
Do some strip tease (mostly softcore/no boobs or pussy showing) and place it on youtube. Maybe get her to dance and place a watermark in the video.

Just my 2c.

Yea, I was just speaking with sly on ICQ and I think that's likely the path i'm going to take due to my financial situation.

I also agree with others, she definitely needs a niche. It's far too difficult to promote just a regular boring site.. She has a fantastic ass, is that still too vague of a niche to promote?

vanillaice · 06-02-2009, 10:43 AM

Also, i'm thinking of having her do cam shows, any recommendations on cam sites? Regarding cam sites, is there any way to promote your domain with them during shows?

Barefootsies · 06-02-2009, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Use www.clips4sale.com and other places to sell her content to surfers.
Register a domain for her and link to the clips4sale shop.
Do some strip tease (mostly softcore/no boobs or pussy showing) and place it on youtube. Maybe get her to dance and place a watermark in the video.

True dat. Tutorial in sig.

06-02-2009, 09:36 AM	#1
vanillaice Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 512	A few paysite questions I'm on the verge of setting up a paysite, but I have a few questions... 1. What's the best way to handle content management at a 'newbie' rate? I've seen what appears to be some fantastic programs out there, but definitely out of my price range at the moment. I'm basically looking for something to generate galleries at this point, and anything else is a bonus. 2. What is a good amount of photos per set? I'm thinking somewhere around 75-100 quality pictures 3. A few questions about CCbill.. a) don't they charge something like $700 to start? b) what are good members management scripts that run well with ccbill? c) why don't sites accept paypal? Does PP only do non adult which forces people to stay with ccbill? 4. How is retention these days? Assuming I give them exactly what I promise in the tour (no tricks or gimmicks), update content on time like promised and have her do weekly or bi-weekly cam shows, what can I expect for retention? Ballpark figures obviously because I know it also depends on the personality of the girl, how members feel about her, how you tease them and want them coming back for more, etc. Thanks for the answers! Sorry if some of these questions are dumb

06-02-2009, 09:49 AM	#2
Evil-Dan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lots of different places Posts: 464	I hope your concept is amazing, because the traditional pay site model is not a happening thing Not trying to be a downer, just being honest __________________ Evil Is As Evil Does

06-02-2009, 09:54 AM	#4
JimmiDean Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Margarittaville Posts: 3,433	3. A few questions about CCbill.. a) don't they charge something like $700 to start? Its the fee for Visa CCbill has no start up cost b) what are good members management scripts that run well with ccbill? They have their own built in c) why don't sites accept paypal? Does PP only do non adult which forces people to stay with ccbill? paypal does not accept adult period hope that helps __________________ My God there's Porn on here! Still on the Beach !!!

06-02-2009, 09:55 AM	#5
JimmiDean Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Margarittaville Posts: 3,433	And yes elevatedX is awsome and the price is right. __________________ My God there's Porn on here! Still on the Beach !!!

06-02-2009, 09:56 AM	#6
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,339	Do you have your own traffic? __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

06-02-2009, 10:02 AM	#7
vanillaice Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 512	Damn, 700 visa fee? Lame. And no, no traffic right now, but I have a few ways of getting that when i'm ready for it

06-02-2009, 10:03 AM	#8
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,339	Actually it's $750. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

06-02-2009, 10:08 AM	#9
vanillaice Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 512	So to the experts out there then, say you're me. You have experience in the industry, at least know the 'ins and outs' of it. However, you're tight on cash, but you have an 18 year old girl with an extremely hot body willing to do a site either solo or hardcore (doesn't matter to her)... how do you go about it?

06-02-2009, 10:10 AM	#10
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,339	Do cams and clip stores first to build up some traffic and cash and content, then start a site. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

06-02-2009, 10:31 AM	#12
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	I agree with Sly. Do some videos, sell them and make money from other webmasters buying her content. Sell at non exclusive value so you can still use them later once you build up enough. Use www.clips4sale.com and other places to sell her content to surfers. Register a domain for her and link to the clips4sale shop. Do some strip tease (mostly softcore/no boobs or pussy showing) and place it on youtube. Maybe get her to dance and place a watermark in the video. Just my 2c. __________________ ---

06-02-2009, 10:33 AM	#14
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	yeah its 750 unless your in the EU

06-02-2009, 10:43 AM	#17
vanillaice Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 512	Also, i'm thinking of having her do cam shows, any recommendations on cam sites? Regarding cam sites, is there any way to promote your domain with them during shows?