JD

50 years in jail

Pleasurepays

here's what "respecting the law" got the world dipshit.....

when i say "fuck the law" i mean there are times when a team of men in black need to be dispatched to make an accident happen for some people.

of all your retarded arguments... how many lives has "respecting the law" cost the world by trying to arrest Osama Bin Laden? if someone would have just snuck up on him and put a bullet in his head when that was clearly the best option.. we wouldn't be fighting two wars right now.


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On 16 March 1998, Libya issued the first official international Interpol arrest warrant against Bin Laden and three other people for killing two German citizens in Libya on 10 March 1994, one of which is thought to have been a German counter-intelligence officer. Bin Laden is still wanted by the Libyan government.

Osama bin Laden was first indicted by the United States on 8 June 1998, when a grand jury indicted Osama bin Laden on charges of killing five Americans and two Indians in the 14 November 1995 truck bombing of a US-operated Saudi National Guard training center in Riyadh.

Bin Laden was charged with "conspiracy to attack defense utilities of the United States" and prosecutors further charged that bin Laden is the head of the terrorist organization called al Qaeda, and that he was a major financial backer of Islamic fighters worldwide.

Bin Laden denied involvement but praised the attack. On November 4, 1998, Osama bin Laden was indicted by a Federal Grand Jury in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, on charges of Murder of US Nationals Outside the United States, Conspiracy to Murder US Nationals Outside the United States, and Attacks on a Federal Facility Resulting in Death for his alleged role in the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. The evidence against bin Laden included courtroom testimony by former Al Qaeda members and satellite phone records.

Bin Laden became the 456th person listed on the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list, when he was added to the list on 7 June 1999, following his indictment along with others for capital crimes in the 1998 embassy attacks. Attempts at assassination and requests for the extradition of bin Laden from the Taliban of Afghanistan were met with failure prior to the bombing of Afghanistan in October 2001.[

In 1999, US President Bill Clinton convinced the United Nations to impose sanctions against Afghanistan in an attempt to force the Taliban to extradite him. Years later, on 10 October 2001, bin Laden appeared as well on the initial list of the top 22 FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, which was released to the public by the President of the United States George W. Bush, in direct response to the attacks of 9/11, but which was again based on the indictment for the 1998 embassy attack. Bin Laden was among a group of thirteen fugitive terrorists wanted on that latter list for questioning about the 1998 embassy bombings. Bin Laden remains the only fugitive ever to be listed on both FBI fugitive lists.

Despite the multiple indictments listed above and multiple requests, the Taliban refused to extradict Osama Bin Laden. It wasn't until after the bombing of Afghanistan began in October 2001 that the Taliban finally did offer to turn over Osama bin Laden to a third-party country for trial, in return for the US ending the bombing and providing evidence that Osama bin Laden was involved in the 9/11 attacks. This offer was rejected by George W Bush stating that this was no longer negotiable with Bush responding that "There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he's guilty."

Snake Doctor

Fuck off dickhead. You're way out of your depth.

I could point you to volumes that show just how wrong you are, but it would only be a waste of my time because wouldn't read the evidence anyways. You think you know everything.....what with your years of law enforcement, intelligence, and military experience.

Yes I was in the military, and the first thing they taught us when dealing with prisoners, is that you have to follow the Geneva convention. Not just because it's the law, but because if you don't you put our prisoners at risk.

Now of course I guess you think the U.S. Army is a bunch of liberal sissies now too, since they don't agree with you.

If captured SS soldiers were entitled to their rights under the Geneva convention, then so are captured Al Qaeda. It's not about who they are, it's about who we are, you stupid fuck.

This is my last post in this thread, don't bother replying, I won't be back to read it.

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Pleasurepays

I can show you volumes that say the boogey man is real. So what? I got bad news for you... its news you still refuse to accept. You have an enemy. This enemy not only wants YOU dead.. he wants your wife, your kids, your parents and everyone you know dead.

And guess what? he's willing to die to make sure that happens. What do your "volumes" of books say about this?

Oh.. nothing?

You're right. I agree with you. Radical fundamentalists haven't been chopping off anyone's heads. They haven't been blowing up markets full of people. They haven't been attacking women and children. They are all about respecting the law and the Geneva Conventions.

I bet US and NATO soldiers get captured by the Taliban or Al Queda and just feel a nice sense of relief that they have nothing to worry about. The Taliban rounds US/NATO soldiers up and just passes out cotton candy and teddy bears.

What you were told as an enlisted grunt working in the mail room, has nothing to do with fighting Islamic extremism in the year 2009.

Times have changed. who we are... are simplistic, idealistic pussies who let these people keep building and planning and training until they could pull off a pretty spectacular terrorist attack. Thats who we are.

The events leading up to 9/11 and the attempts at arresting Bin Laden are rock solid proof of that. That following the law not only put people at risk... it caused the death of countless people across the globe.

The Geneva Conventions are predicated on a couple simple principles... that both sides of the war want to live and that both sides are going to abide by it. You can't treat this situation as if this is two uniformed armies fighting each other for a bridge outside of Munich or some shit.

Sorry to make you have a melt down.

Hopefully, you'll be lucky enough to get captured by the Taliban one day so you can be treated like gold and be fed grapes and have your little wiener sucked by virgins all day long.

Pleasurepays

and kinda weird that you are the one always talking about name calling and it didn't take long for you to head down that path.

thanks for finally seeing things my way.

welcome to the dark side. you'll love it here!!

chodadog

Obama's been reading Brian Faulkner's biography or something? Operation Demetrius redux.

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wootpr0n

What if other countries decide to start snatching US citizens and holding them indefinitely without a trial for "complicated reasons" and for doing "stupid shit"?

What will America say then? Based on the logic that I'm seeing, Americans wouldn't have rights under the constitutions of other countries.

I'm really not surprised by this decision. I really didn't expect anything different from Obama.

The Bush policy was I'm an asshole and a fuck-up and I don't give a fuck what you think. I'm going to do whatever the hell I want.

The Obama policy is I care about you and want to bring you change and peace and human rights and health care and give you the ability to fly. But then I'm really going to fuck everything up anyways, and you will spend half the time staring at my tie.

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Pleasurepays

being intimately involved with terrorist organizations, terrorist acts or being captured on a battlefield is hardly "stupid shit"


and its worth pointing out that a lot of the detainees were released long ago... and without getting into the undeniable facts that many were recaptured or killed on the battlefield or went on to plan and carry out terrorist acts and kill US/NATO troops... and many are so dangerous that their own countries won't take them back in spite of trying to give them back, i think its pretty safe to say, their not holding a few hapless hot dog vendors from the ball park.