Good luck with that!

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Splum, you are both right, and wrong. POLICE cannot simply search your car whenever they feel like it. Police cannot detain you at all without a Reasonable, Articulatable Suspicion, and cannot search without Probably Cause.

However, Border patrol and customs agents can, whenever they want to, search you or your car, within 200 miles of the border.

This has been the case for decades, BTW. It has nothing to do with Bush.



Just FYI.


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To everyone who supports interstate checkpoints like I do, stop acting like a pussy running his mouth on gfy. The federal gov is massively in debt. They need patriotic Americans to donate untaxed income in order to build more checkpoints and hire more federal agents in order to make America safe from drugs and guns and mexicans and gangs and American traitors/terrorists.

How can patriotic Americans such as me donate money to the federal gov with my instructions to please build more checkpoints? Do we send donations to the IRS? What is the address for donations?

Id just like to say.... damn Im good another 1000+ page by the Splumster, bow down bitches.

Next all you idiots agreeing with the "second video" but not the "first video" crack me up because its the same guy ROFL - funny how perception is swayed when your hatred for religion comes out.
https://youtube.com/profile?user=...=videos&sort=d

Third here is more follow up
http://www.kswt.com/Global/story.asp...av=menu613_2_8

Fourth, you are all a bunch of pussys for not standing up to your rights.

Maybe you should move to North Korea if that is the type of country you want to live in.

Why move to North Korea when I can live near a US checkpoint and be safe from chinks and spics?

Ahhh, a racist. So your opinion doesn't count then. If I had known that I wouldn't have even replied to you. Carry on.

If you ever feel like standing up for your rights on I-19 or Highway 286 could you please let me know ahead of time? I'll be right behind you.

wtf are you kidding me dude? the guy in the video wanted to be an asshole and he got what he deserved. yes he has the right not to be search but, that does not mean you're free to go. what type of bullshit is that, if that was the case then every drug dealer and criminal would deny search and be on there way.

he was just being an asshole just let them do the search if you have nothing to hide. everyone complains about border security and check points but when they have to be search of its unamerican and not fair... wtf what type of two faced bullshit is that.

Um, I think he's being sarcastic. He's making a good point not any different than yours.

You never know but if he was the racial epithets were unnecessary... Maybe my sarcastic meter failed me.

We can all hope beyond hope that you're the first victim :)

I am not for giving up my rights in order for safety. I don't think illegal immigration is a safety issue. I think it is more an economic issue.

Again, I ask the question. How would you have seen this encounter play out and how would you prefer to see our border security work?

How long have we had a Border Patrol? How affective has it been? They are not preventing anything.

While they make the occasional bust, I think it is more of a smoke screen for the beginnings of accountability of US citizens. They want to know what you are doing, where you are going and why. Just wait till, and this is already been in talks, you can't travel from state to state with out a checkpoint.

These check points are having less and less to do with illegal aliens.

As for your question? I think the system is broke and cops have a 100 different ways to play a scenario out to do what they want. Do they always do this? No. But there are some that do. And as far as border security? How about we keep it at the border of our country instead of between US states.

Why do Americans claim they live in a free country when shit like this happens?

It should never have happened. This whole 100 mile wide border zone idea is just an attempt by the government to get past our pesky little Constitution. Can you name another country that has a 100 mile wide border?

I am usually not a big fan of the ACLU but I have to agree with them on this issue. :2 cents:

Before all the anti-Americans get all excited........ in most countries in the world the police just wave over random cars and subject them to questioning, searches, extortion and occasional violence on a regular basis. In Latvia that is just considered regular police work.

The point is that the US Constitution is supposed to limit unreasonable government intrusions into the lives of its law abiding citizens. Otherwise it is just like every other police state on earth. :2 cents:

Well, I will admit I have not driven into Arizona from California so I can't say if there is a state to state checkpoint there. I have driven into many other states and the only one I have ever encountered was in California and they wanted to know if I had a fruit in my car and that was all.

Most of these checkpoints (from my understanding) are there to reinforce the border between us and another country. As I said before I have lived in one of these zone my entire life. I have never seen a checkpoint, never been stopped and don't know anyone who ever has.

So my response to how you would have things is that I feel the border patrol is working on our borders. Like I said before we have a big border, there are a lot of places that are unguarded where people come in. These checkpoints that are further in the country are put in places where they feel they have the best chance of catching people so they are trying to enforce our border, they are just no right on the border.

So should we have soldiers standing shoulder to shoulder all along every inch of the border? Your answer is not really an answer at all. The system is broke? Tell us something we all don't already know. Keep the border of our country between us and another country? That is what we are doing. Look at your ACLU map. It is all showing areas that are bordering with either other countries or water. So how do you intend to enforce these borders?

Not off the the top of my head I can't

I'll ask you again, since nobody seems to have a reasonable answer and I'll rephrase the two questions.

Question #1 - If you are a border guard (or in charge of the border guard) and someone comes to the checkpoint and you have a feeling they might be carrying something how would you go about it? You ask them a question or two and the refuse to answer any questions. If you ask for ID the give you a legit looking ID, but will not let you search the car and will not answer any questions. Do you just let them go on through and if they are carrying someone/something than so be it? Or do you have a better idea on how to handle it?

Question #2 - You are in charge of all border patrol and border guarding in this country. You set the policy and whatever you decide to do is what is going to happen. How do you run it? What system do you put in place to protect our country from illegal immigrants flooding across the border?

I would argue in most cases it does just that. Our system is not perfect, but it is better than many countries out there.

Obama's a fuckin puppet, they didnt have a right to search the guys car, fuckin militant cunts..

I think you are missing my point. Not so many years ago it was just at the borders. Now it is at the border plus 100 miles inwards. Next thing you know it will be 200 miles, then 500 miles and so on until you won't be able to travel anywhere with in the US without encountering these types of incidents. Not the beating this guy took but the constant questioning of US citizens.

I already stated I do not believe this is all about border control, rather than hiding under the guise of border control. I don't have any links as I don't follow it enough but this has become a problem within the last few years and public concern of where it is leading is starting to surface.

Here is an instance where someone stood up for his rights and DID NOT get a beat down and arrested:
http://carlosmiller.com/2009/03/13/a...border-patrol/

This article gets to the heart of what I am talking about:
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/view...hp?storyid=516

"It might seem strange for the Border Patrol to begin monitoring the nation?s interior, but a legal loophole extends its jurisdiction a hundred miles from any international boundary, and the agency that cannot even control the Mexican border is using that technicality to dilute its effectiveness even further. Like all such governmental impositions, this one was supposed to be temporary, but now?predictably?the feds want to make it permanent."

There's much more to the story than the YouTube video that's been posted.
He (Anderson) is just out looking for trouble. DPS cited a 1976 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that upheld the constitutionality of checkpoints near border areas and said that the stop on Interstate 8 is in compliance with the law.

from: The Arizona Republic
dateline: Apr. 18, 2009 12:00 AM

"In the past several months, Anderson has posted several YouTube videos in which he confronts authorities.

In February, he posted a video showing an encounter he says was at a checkpoint at the New Mexico border. He keeps his windows rolled up. He questions the agents on why he's being stopped. In March, he shot a video titled "Another Cop Harrasses me for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON *Minnesota."

In January, he posted another video shot at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport. He walks up to a Phoenix police officer and asks him about his machine gun. When the officer replies that it's none of his business, Anderson says, "It's none of my business? Don't you work for me since I'm a citizen of Phoenix and of the United States?"

link: Tempe pastor alleges border agents beat him

I will agree fully with you that our government has a habit of being given an inch and taking a foot. And often once something starts it doesn't just end, it grows and grows and grows. So I can understand your worry that this will eventually spread and it will be nationwide. I don't think it will, but I guess in the end none of us really know.

I think we have the tools at hand to help stop illegal immigration, but many of them we don't use. There are many cities in this country where if a cop arrests someone who is illegal they cannot call INS and report them and these people are not deported unless they commit a major crime. I think we can do better than that and get illegals out of the country without doing harm to the freedoms that the citizens of this country enjoy.

But, it is not an easy situation. Maybe someday someone will come up with a perfect solution. That said if it is simply being used as a guise to press more government control on the people then the only way that will stop is if people start voting for third party candidates and getting that to happen is going to be harder than stopping illegals from sneaking into the country.

Exactly... I have always said that the real problem is in the lack of or proper legislation and the enforcement of it in regards to illegal immigrants. It really doesn't help when states want to allow their presence and even go so far as to want or allow them to get state ids. It is ridiculous. This is why I say I do not believe it to be all about border control.

QFT... And that will likely never happen although I did my part last election day. As far as I am concerned there will never be unity within the United States as long as we want to draw party lines and point fingers across said line when something goes wrong. Just look at all the bickering that goes on here over party bullshit. It is counter productive and accomplishes nothing.

:1orglaugh This guy has balls. Personally I would have been very co-operative. But I don't live in the area and I don't have any built up hostility of living with constant herassment from officers.

Also just so everyone notices.

They did NOT blow out his windows, they did no taze him multiple times and they did not stomp on his face on glass covered pavement.

They let him leave.

It's one thing to refuse to answer questions.. But not co-operating at all does give them grounds for suspicion... I'm surprised they let him leave..

And Baddog says he would have shot maybe killed the man for being an asshole... Idiot.

The fact that they put up a checkpoint somewhere does not give them the right to search people's cars...

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Sorry about that...I got a little out of control. Sometimes I let these trolls get the better of me :thumbsup

1000 pages? You think a lot of yourself, don't you?

He wouldn't truly be a victim though. He'd deserve it.

I have a friend who's wife worked in a grocery store from the time she was 16 until she was 30. About a year before she left the store found out that a woman who had been working for the store for 18 years was illegal. She had a fake social security card that she had been using for almost 20 years, a legit state drivers licenses and she was in the union, was renting a nice house and would save money and buy cars with cash. But all this time she never paid (or filed) taxes because her SSN was a fake. Somehow the IRS never caught on when the store filed their taxes and had her as an employee. So they find out she is illegal and continue to let her work there. They told her unless the government tells them to fire her they won't. I was pretty stunned. In the state I live in they are working on laws that will allow illegals to get state issued drivers licenses so they can get car insurance. It amazes me. They don't live in fear at all because they know as long as they don't break any major law they are pretty much going to be able to stay here as long as they want.

It is almost like they are working hard to keep them out, but once they get here they do things to encourage them to stay. In my state if you are illegal you can now get a state ID card, food stamps, your kids can go to public school even if they don't speak english and if you are sick or hurt you can just go to any hospital or urgent care place and it is taken care of. You pay no income taxes and unless you fuck up and do something bad, chances are you will never get sent back.



Like you I voted 3rd party this year (Bob Barr Libertarian) and I tell everyone I talk to that if they find themselves not liking either candidate to vote third party. If everyone that complains did that we would eventually have a third party. But most people don't vote and don't care and think it doesn't matter. What irks me is, like you say, the finger pointing. The democrats did it when the republicans were in power. They basically just took the opposite position of the republicans, right or wrong, so they could be different and now we are seeing the same with the republicans. It annoys me. They should have term limits on senate and congress seats that way people are not worried about getting reelected. They know they will have 8 years on the job and that is it so they can stop the political pandering and work on doing what is best for the people.

You and I are probably a lot more alike than you might think. For me the border issue is a rough one. I see them as trying to make the situation better and many people don't, but I guess in the end until time passes we won't know what works and what doesn't and what actual intentions are put forth with these actions.

Dude its the same guy, the pastor in the first video is the same guy in the second video. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Scroll up to see his youtube link LOL.

Yeah, I didn't notice that when I posted it. Too bad he wasn't videotaping his Yuma stop. Would have made a much better YouTube video.

Well as it turns out he video'd the first part of it and I guess got the footage of the part after he's out of the car:



Having seen THAT, as much of a punk as he was being, they went pretty excessive on him.

That is so nasty

Fuck the police. Bunch of morons and violent sadists. Many of them want to be police officers just to have a feeling of power and superiority over other people.

Can't wait for the trial!