You're a fucking idiot trying to take rights away from Americans. As a porner that is the dumbest thing you can do.

His *RIGHT* is to *NOT* answer the questions.

It is NOT the right of the police to beat the fuck out of him UNLESS he gives up his rights and attacks them or puts them in danger.

Even if the dog actually sniffed out something and he still refused to get out of the car and allow them to search.

All they had to do was pick him out of the car and onto the ground.

This shit happens hundreds maybe thousands of times a day in the US they don't cause that much physical harm to everyone.

It was completely out of line.

EVERYTIME this happens and makes it out into the media the Officers are suspended or fired because it is WRONG.

You must be the village idiot...

Fuck all the police! they are just dumb fucking morons!

Because I don't agree with your point of view...I'm an idiot? What are you..12 years old?

Pick him out of the car? I'm sure they would have if the guy would have unlocked his doors and/or rolled down his windows. They had to break the windows in order to get into the car because the guy wouldn't unlock the doors or roll down the windows. Sounds to me like they gave the guy plenty of opportunity to do the right thing. At some point they have to take control of the situation. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in court. I'm sure the guy thinks he has a case against the border patrol even though I don't.

You are wrong. That is like saying the TSA doesn't have the right to search your bags before you fly somewhere, or that DUI checkpoints are illegal.

No you are a fucking idiot because you are completely wrong and making some rediculous comments.

How do you know his doors were locked and his windows rolled up?

He was talking with them throughout the entire situation even as they were breaking out his windows because he was told to cover his face.

Makes me believe his driver side window was down. But it doesn't say in the video. So neither of us know.

He was doing the right thing by enforcing his rights as an American. They did the wrong thing by lying about the dog and beating him up.

When you are flying you give up a lot of your rights.

Also this guy was passing thru a state border not a country border.

If he refused to answer the questions and gives them probable cause they can put him under arrest they can't beat the shit out of him.

Thousands of people a day are put under arrest without being beaten up.

The only thing the preacher man might have on his side as far as I can see would be the possibility of sixth amendment protection. Even in that case it generally speaks about while the accused is in a court proceeding, but an argument might be able to be made that since it is a government agent (the dog) a simple second search might be requested by the accused because of their absence during the first search. However, when dogs search a school's locker for instance the student is not there, but at least two representatives of the school are there. This does not even take into consideration that the school is a publicly owned property.

Comments?

the greatest thing about america is that you have the freedom to leave whenever you wish..

you dont like the rules here then get the fuck out..

and almost all of the people that whine here about bush this or obama that, don't do shit to change anything except spout off on the internet..

Another idiot.

The greatest thing about America is that you have Personal rights.

Every day those rights are being stripped away from you by the government. You idiots supporting this are just fucking yourselves.

Good luck when this happens to any of you.

I repeat it is YOUR RIGHT to not answer any questions presented to you by any Government official.

It is their right to have you arrested if you not answering any questions makes you look suspicious.

It IS NOT their right to cause you physical harm and beat you up for not answering questions.

Watch they will be reprimanded for using Excessive Force.

I didn't say they were illegal, you did. I said that guy and every other person who has gone through this has had their 4th amendment right violated. You DO NOT have to allow a search without a warrant, it is YOUR right, MY right, EVERYONE'S right!

I will allow that he should have at least answered their questions but a search? No way.

Let me put it this way:

We have borders around our nation... Fine, I am on board with that, as well as any search that may occur.

But then it spreads to checkpoints for bordering states within our nation, which is already happening.

Then it spreads to checkpoints for bordering cities within the checkpoints of bordering states within our nations border checkpoints.

Then it spreads to checkpoints for sections of the cities within checkpoints of bordering cities within the checkpoints of bordering states within our nations border checkpoints.

Then it spreads to checkpoints within bordering neighborhoods within checkpoints for sections of the cities within checkpoints of bordering cities within the checkpoints of bordering states within our nations border checkpoints.

I am sure you get the point.

Splum were you raped by a cop previously ??

If your mother is a policeman... then yes.

and what are you doing to change things besides whining on a message board you fucking pussy...

I love how people say "he has a right to not be searched, to not answer questions, blah blah"


If you don't cooperate, then you become suspicious. That's FACT!!

Why not just let the police do their job ? Baddog is right, what about your luggae at the airport? Haven't we a right to say "no, you will not search my bag thank you very much, just put it on the plane" ???


Border patrol. If you don't let a cop search you, then it looks like you are hiding something. Do you then expect the cop just to say "well ok then, i'll let you through" ??

I've never been in any trouble with police because when ever i am asked anything, i cooperate. Simple!


Forget all the bullshit about rights etc. I'm sick of hearing about it. Just don't be am asshole, and nothing will happen to you. The police are there to help YOU after all...

Actually, he says in his video that while he was covering his face, bent forward that ...

It's all in the details.

How exactly was the guy supposed to be arrested if they patrol agents couldn't get to him? If the doors were unlocked, I'm sure they would have opened the door instead of busting out his wondows. If the windows were down, then the agents wouldn't have needed to bust them to get to the guy. it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that this guy was looking to start trouble with the patrol agents. Call me any name you wish - makes no difference to me. Funny how people call you names when you don't agree with their point of view. As if their point of view is the only point of view that is important or that matters. My point of view is just that - my point of view. If you don't agree with it - I'm cool with that.

You have been 100% right in this thread... :2 cents:

:1orglaugh Do you know what the point of a message board is you pussy? It's to discuss topics that are presented by the thread starter.


I agree.

He wanted to exercise HIS RIGHTS as an American.

When you fly you knowingly give up those rights.

I have always co-operated with police also.

Fact is the guy exercised his rights as an American.

No I don't expect them to just let him go. I also don't expect them to taze him multiple times and stomp his head into the glass covered pavement.

I do expect them to put him under arrest or whatever until they have searched his car.

No matter how much you argue this the police used Excessive Force.

Being an asshole is all perspective.. He could have thought he was being completely polite and the cops can take that as being an asshole.

It does not matter he has rights. If we continue to give up our rights we are fucked.

Exactly the police are here to help us not lie and use their ego to cause us harm.


That's an interesting point I took that as the rear passenger window.

If the guy infact had his windows rolled up and doors locked and what he meant was they smashed his driver side window.

That guy was asking for his windows to be smashed.

I/You gotta admit it's pretty strange that at this point in the situation he would still be sitting in his car with the windows rolled up and doors locked.

The first thing they tell you to do is get out of your car.

The guy could have really been pushing the cops buttons.

But even still the question is did the Officers lie and did the cops use Excessive Force when it was not necessary.

Basically did the officers not do their job as they should.

I agree if the guy was sitting in his car with the windows rolled up and doors locked after they told him to get out, etc.

Then he was pushing their buttons and asking for trouble.

BUT asking for trouble does not give the cops the right to taze you multiple times and stomp your face into the ground that is now covered in Glass.

You are basically saying Americans have no rights whatever the cops want to say or do is fine with you. That's why you are an idiot. And thats MY view.

At first I thought he could mean rear driver's side window, but he's actually bent over learning forward in the video while he's describing how he was sitting. If he was leaned forward in the same position, the back window would be much farther than 6 inches away behind him.

Also right afterwards he says that a cop grabbed his head and pushed it right in to the driver side window "where all the broken glass was". That also suggests it's his driver's side window that's broken and not the backseat, because the officer wouldn't push his head in to the back window. :2 cents:

Can you please point out your previous threads expressing such total outrage about illegal wiretapping, suspension of habeas corpus, and torture. Where is your spirit constitutional protectionism when it comes to Bush?

Perhaps you've heard of the GLOBAL War On Terror. Your boy is the one that signed off on giving cops this kind of latitude. Not sure what this has to do with Obama.

Spoken like a true patriot that really must love their country.

I'm not saying that all. If I'm saying anything it's this: "It does not good to argue with a cop or person of authority because they will win every time. If you feel you've been wronged, you take it to court and let the judge decide.

The idiot here is the guy who was being difficult and those who believe that I'm an idiot for having a point of view that doesn't agree with theirs.

I dont believe in excessive force. What I am wondering if this guy refused to answer any questions which led to them asking him to move over to the secondary area and he refused, if he refused to leave his vehicle and had to be removed is it so hard to believe that after being removed from his vehicle he might have kept resisting arrest which caused the cops to use more force? That video is just his side of the story and I doubt he would say if he was struggling or swinging. The whole story just seems off. Not to say that cops all over the country don't abuse their power but there is more to this than his version. I would bet on it.

Yup. It changes everything and makes him look very bad.

What was he doing sitting in his car like a child refusing to do anything?

That's dumb as fuck. It's one thing to refuse to answer questions but to refuse to comply at all? He's screwed.

Read over your posts on the first page. Cause you would have been better off just saying that.

I agree with that completely when you are dealing with the cops you need to comply with somethings but not everything. If you don't comply with anything you have to expect some force being put on you.

You ever been tazed? Ever seen someone be tazed? It looks as if they are resisting when in fact they have absolutely no control over their body.

I've heard stories of them pissing and shitting themselves while being tazed.

So yes it is hard to believe he would still be resisting.

The cops ALWAYS scream at the person to stop resisting when in fact the person is not resisting it's just their body's natural reaction while in pain.

Splum is bat shit crazy, when are people going to realize this.

Dude wants a civil war, WTF lol

It's one thing to be right and stand up for your rights, but this guy has nobody to blame but himself. He's going to get fucked right over even if it happened exactly like he said it did.

In court it's going to be his word against all of the officers that were there. They're going to say the dog alerted and gave them probable cause and it doesn't matter if he saw the dog's alert or not. They don't have to prove to him the dog alerted. They'll then say after they had probable cause they instructed him to get out of his vehicle and he refused to obey their instructors. At that point he was detained, he resisted, and was finally subdued and arrested.

Now granted you do have the legal right to resist an illegal arrest. However, any lawyer will tell you what you _SHOULD_ do is comply, and then after the fact seek justice through the courts. Anybody who goes out of their way to be a dick to police, refusing their commands and locking themself in their car should reasonably expect a response they are not going to like.

Chris Rock said it best. "If you make the police chase after you, they're bringing a beat down with them".

I agree. Although I disagree that he is fucked. Very good chance the cops will be reprimanded and he won't be charged with anything.

What I don't agree with in this thread is people arguing about a person having rights and the cops being allowed to lie and use whatever force they want.

this thread is awesome, i havent seen anything this amusing on GFY in a while!

check points are totally legal and AZ has had them for years as far as i know. dont know any other states that have them.

as far as the cops, they have a job they are paid to do, some do it well, some suck at it. but when they ask you questions you answer, even if they are targeting you with their questions, the overall goal is to protect you, if you act like an asshole they will treat you like an asshole. sadly if they start out being an asshole, you cant flip it back. unless your a bettin man and want to bet about boots up your ass and on your skull. if your doing nothing wrong you have no valid reason for not answering other then a chip on your shoulder.

for you fucktards who think what happened to him was right... go jump off a fucking bridge you fucktards

While I see the point of view of those "fighting for their rights", they fail to understand a very simple point. That point is, you volunteered so what are you bitching about? Ask yourself these questions.

Do I have a Driver's License?
Am I a U.S. Citizen?

Most, if not all would answer yes to both of these questions and therein lies the problem.

First, if you have a license, you signed a contract to follow all their rules and any other bullshit they want to throw at you. You signed your rights away so don't go bitching when you run into a situation that doesn't please you.

Second, everything EVERYTHING in this country is voluntary. The 13th amendment prohibits involuntary servitude and so when you agree that you are a U.S. Citizen, you've just volunteered and given up any rights you thought you had. The Constitution doesn't give anyone rights, it is a restriction on the government. Anyone that says "my Constitutional rights" is very misinformed, they should be saying "my birth rights". You are born with rights and not simply because you were born on this land. If a pregnant woman gives birth at a boy scout camp, does that immediately mean the child is a boy scout? Of course not and neither does being born on this land make you a U.S. Citizen. Your parents volunteer you to be a citizen and you ignorantly continue it when you become of age. It isn't your fault, it's just how you've been trained.

Since tax day was just a couple days ago, I'll use that as an example. Anyone that has been to a fed tax court case or read the documents knows the prosecutor always says "All U.S. Citizens must pay taxes". There is a very important reason for this and if you say nothing to disagree with that then it is assumed you agree. All courts assume they have political jurisdiction over you unless you tell them otherwise.

This couldn't have anything to do with the reason a border patrol agent's first question to you at a checkpoint is always "Are you a U.S. Citizen" could it? They just want you to volunteer. Again, none of this is your fault, it is simply how you've been trained from day 1. Let me ask you a couple other questions to get you thinking.

Do you know who your mother is? No you do not, you simply know what you have been told all your life. You had no ability to sit up on the table and recognize your mother the moment you come out of her. I'm not saying she isn't your mother, I'm simply saying you cannot know for a fact. It is hearsay evidence and that is the end of it.

Do you know who your father is? Same as above

What is your birth date? You had no ability to set up on the table and note down the date and time when you came out. Once again, hearsay evidence.



Almost everyone will answer yes to every one of these questions without thinking twice about it. It's the ignorance you've been taught so again, not your fault. :2 cents:

So, you were there and observed what happened?

fuckin asshole pigs

I feel sorry for that guy

Sorry to tell you this but the laws are different for cars and homes. If they have " Reason To believe " then you MUST consent to the search or they will simply arrest you for obstruction and " Inventory it " for impounding.

I take it you have never been through a check point.

Yes. :1orglaugh You're too old to be trolling.

Wrong. :1orglaugh When they ask you to search the car and you say no they tell you to leave the car, take you into custody and then bring the dog.. at least that has been my experience with American "check points" ...

Oh, And if a Dog sniffed it, is as good as having a warrant handed to them

You are not only an idiot, but a liar.

And if you think you give up rights when you fly then you certainly give up rights when you drive. In fact, there is no "right to drive" you are given permission to drive.

Additionally, if you think someone is trolling by pointing out the errors in your "logic" then I don't think it means what you think it means. :2 cents:

This is pretty much the answer.. Regardless if the cops have the right to search your car if you don't give them permission, they hold all the power in this type situation. They can easily come up with a reason for probable cause no matter if it's a legit reason or not.

You will never win this kind of set up unless you have them on video for the whole stop and even then they have enough wiggle room to get out of any trouble.

If the guy can get the video's with out them disappearing, then he might have a chance at beating them. If not, he lost twice, once when they beat the shit out of him, and the second time when he hits the court room.

His best option would have been to offer to open the trunk and let them have a look. However it seems like he was trying to prove a point..

btw I do of course think the cops were out of line and used excessive force.

Shaddap. I'm not going over this all over again with you now...:1orglaugh

Just like you can't get married unless you get permission? :1orglaugh :error

There is indeed a "right to travel" by whatever means necessary, feet, vehicle, etc. People simply are too ignorant to understand this so they go ask permission just like they ask permission to get married.

You need a driver's license to drive. If you don't have one, you are breaking the law. You can be denied a driver's license and you can have it revoked too. So no, there's no "right" to drive.

Sure there is, if you're willing to fight for it. Who's laws am I breaking? Oh that's right, THEIR laws that I've never contracted to follow like you do when you go ask permission.

I'm not going to argue with your kind of crazy today. I just don't have time for it. I'm going to explain this to you one time, and I'm going to ignore your responses afterwards.

It doesn't really matter what kind of crazy interpretation you have of laws and your rights. If you drive anywhere in the United States on a public road without a license and you are caught you are going to be charged. You won't be able to argue your way out of it with any lines about not agreeing or contracting to follow the law. If you're a US citizen in the US, you're bound by US laws, period.

I'm sure you believe you don't have to pay income tax either and that nobody can force you. I'm sure any of the people currently serving time for income tax evasion would disagree with you on that point.

I can't argue with you that I'm crazy. I'm just crazy like those that used to believe the world was round before it was proven to be so.

And you just proven my point for me. That is indeed true and thus the reason they want you to volunteer to be in such a political class.

Dont you love how fast the fake nics get approved but we have a lot of good people that have to nearly beg..

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. You do not have the right to drive. It is a privilege, not a right. :2 cents:

See his register date? Times have changed.

Are you retarded?

100 retards.

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