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How long will Dating sites last as a good money earner?
No doubt many are earning now. Remember Live Web Cams used to be a great earner and now shrinking fast. So how long will Dating sites continue to bring in the good money?
We are in the beginning of a recession that is here for at least 4 years. People will be unwilling or unable to spend as they were and look hard at what they buy. Dating sites that connect people will have a lot of short memberships, dating sites that don't will find members asking what are they paying for and ex customers who never got hooked up are thinking hard about trying again. Unlike paysites if they perform you don't need them. Like paysites those that perform badly taint the rest. I also have been told dating sites have a lot of competition from free sites. As I said I'm sure many are earning today from them, but in the light that many are fake how long will it carry on for? |
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dating sites will lose their steam soon enough too. people are getting wise to the fake profiles, massive amounts of spam, and other bullshit housed inside expensive members areas. they get maybe a small percentage of their members hooked up. then they have competition from massive free options, like the Oosk application on facebook. Why the fuck would anyone pay to use a dating site, when you got Oosk tied into 20 million facebook profiles?
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I thought it was over saturated a couple of years ago... WRONG!
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sex sells. people will always buy memberships to dating sites because they want to get laid. thats my opinion
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People drink and do impulsive things. Add in the horny part and there you go. Then there is CraigsList.. Wonder if that did any real dent to dating service slaes.... naw.
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![]() mark my words, there will come a day when dating programs are crying tube-style over lost conversions due to "free dating" sites. they're coming, no doubt about it. all it will take is one person to find a way to successfully monetize the traffic outside of charging for membership and you'll have yourself the first super-site in the free dating arena..... |
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on second thought. why doesn't someone in the paysite business setup a super site for adult dating that is absolutely free? sabotage the fucking shit out of paid adult dating sites!
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Well I hope it all last . But cams and dating seems to sign up more than regular porn. Atl least for me.
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It might be a matter of time until plentyoffish.com gets copied so much it reaches a saturation point...
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I decided to start a dating site about 4 years ago... And luckily stumbled across a great name. I met the founder of the company that became Match.com shortly after that. He sold to ticketmaster because he was sure the end was near... He did well, but sold too soon. One of my partners was sure the end was near so he sold his shares out to me.
Change is coming... But with AFF billing $360MM a year, and a hand full of others way up there... It simply doesn't make sense to go free. We (the dating sites) need affiliates driving traffic! Affiliates make the majority of the money, but without them, there are no members. I'm sure this will change. 50% of the population is single. 100% are horny. |
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One of my best dating sponsors (well known) noseddive on PPC traffic starting last fall. It kicked ass till then. How bad ooh like 1 FREE join in 500-1000 hits.
I don't know wtf's wrong but I don't like writing sponsors. So alls not all roses in dating land. But then it was winter and that has to make a big diff. Of course the other huy is killen them so hey thats the eb and flow.. |
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They do at the moment because people are not signing up to paysites like they used to. I'm sure paysites sign ups will replace any lost income if Dating can't support Tubes.
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If a free dating site was gonna take over, seems like CraigsList or something similar would have killed the industry already. I'll say some convert better than others for sure. Same models up every time on the geo Iframe every time prolly doesn't help?? Like everything else, niche in helps... |
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If one sponsor doesn't work, another might. Of course I assume you realize it is more than just throwing a banner up.... Have to support the brand and all. |
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I guess we all better just make what we can while it's hot! Or... We can always sell vacuums. The world will always pay for vacuums. ![]() |
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So the Tube Sites are going to give away the free porn and drive traffic to the Free Adult Dating sites, which are going to sell Vacuums to the single guys that are trying to clean up their shit hole apartments to impress the girls so that they can have sex like they saw on the tube site. Brilliant! Sorry, I'm just fuckin' around. |
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time for bed.
thanks for the laughs. Cheers. |
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Let's hope that no one comes along and invests in that "FREE" site. |
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the question is, how to monitize from a free Adult dating site...
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Here's an idea I just had.
One of the ways to find out the surfers feeling, experience and position is to ask them. Not here but on surfers boards. So has anyone here thought about posting on a surfers board asking what they think of Dating Sites, their experiences, who they got a good return out of and who they wasted money with? Just a thought. |
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Guys, the dating sites will always earn for the owners. I mean really, shut down the affiliate program you still have a TON of recurring. and dating recurring on a dating site with decent quality member base can be very good. whats average porn site retention?
really someone who owns a porn site tell me what the average months of rebill + initial month for signups occuring in january 2007. compare that to a good quality dating site and i promise the dating site will have more rebills per paid user on average. |
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plentyoffish is probably the largest free dating site. a free dating site will never become more mainstream than myspace, which is basically a free dating website.
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So what is stopping us? Is it the people clutching at straws and happy to get anything in these hard times. Some sponsors will give a Tube site hosted long clips so the Tube site can sell Dating sites. ![]() Today many people won't or can't invest long term. |
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True, or Facebook, the new Myspace.
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I think maybe they check both out. And all pay dateing sites have a free area.
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Yes as someone has said they can turn off the promotional expenses, no affiliate pay out or less and no advertising on sites which don't make a profit, and carry on for years making a good living. I suspect this would be the way to go. |
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have you ever checked out the free areas on these sites? i've gone through most of them, they don't offer you shit. they give you enough space to login before they start sending you messages from fake hottie profiles telling you how much they want to hook up with you so that you'll upgrade to a paid membership...
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Overall adult dating sites are already selling much worse than a few years ago
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You might get funding from the mainstream if you keep it soft enough. Don't know how this will effect the ability to advertise on Tube sites though. None of the mainstream free dating sites mentioned so far advertise on porn Tubes, to my knowledge. As for hundreds of people jumping on a retarded dead end idea, that's normal for this business if it will produce a short term advantage and screw the long term. |
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But facebook would be a far better dating site, if they allowed adult content.
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Don't know if anyone saw this yet, but it won't help AFF to be fighting this as well.
AFF Still a Defendant in Epic Cash’s Suit Against Zango, Judge Rules. Now if they lost this it will open the flood gates and I will be there are other companies sitting on the side lines waiting to slam dunk AFF with their claim. Pity is Epic can't get a split of the other claims after doing all the ground work. Read it because there is a nice phrase there. Quote:
We all know it now and it's a wonder Epic were chasing it. You can't own people and ultimately traffic is people. |
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At first it was kind of annoying watching you little pups chase your tails in a circle, but it's become almost amusing.
I love it when people who have no idea what-so-ever about how tubes actually run comment on the "largest revenue stream" and yada yada. Now, back to the show. Round and round you go!
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dating, cams and microniche will be the only survivors soon if not already.
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dating sites exist along the likes of plenty of fish, cl and facebook.
everyone here is so either/or here it's not even funny anymore. |
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We all know the surfer is not stupid and he learns. He will learn about Dating sites as well. |
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Dating will always be a good source of revenue as will cams.
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have to agree on that!
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dating sites will last until everyone of every age has gotten laid for their first time at least once!
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as for me I've always been curious why the surfers sign up to these sites, when it's so obvious that the hot chicks are fake profiles...
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Things change and nobody can tell you how long this or that will last, that's why we have to adapt and change with the times, right now apart from selling oranges on the highway I am offering sexual services to female models between the ages of 19-25 for $99.99 an hour - this is part of my anti-crisis financial plan. |
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