i was replying to a post where he said they were chosen for fighting becuase of their intelligence and trainability. this is rubbish and is indisputable. they are chosen/bred for fighting for their agression, strength, bite, pain threshold. intelligence doesn't come into it, and isn't required for the people that use them for fighting. when i said they're not very intelligent i was talking relatively to the very intelligent breeds, and they're not intelligent compared to them, no terrier breed is.

i think you have if you think posting pictures and stats about apples , proves what oranges can't do

really if you think about it any dog over about 35 pounds or so is fairly capable of mauling if not killing a human.

one of the things i have learned about this breed over the years, and i think is a contributing factor to many bullies becoming aggressive, is that they absolutely CRAVE human contact. if they don't have good interaction with people combined with good exercise they get easily frustrated and bored. so when you have an owner that leaves the dog chained up in the backyard all day and night it really perverts their personalities.

these dogs take alot of care and attention to be happy. since they are so high energy you really need to exercise the fuck out of them, socialize them well with other dogs and people, and make sure you stick to consistent rule, boundaries, and limitations with them. hell i have already lost 15 pounds in the last month walking with her, and i tire out long before she does. :1orglaugh

and you know what i mean about gangsters and degenerates. i hate the stereotype anyone and i don't want to sound like a racist, but 99.9999% of the time the problem pits are owned by trash. be it white or black. the negative media coverage makes bully breeds seem like "outlaw" dogs, which makes them even more attractive to that demographic of people.

thankfully the humane society where i adopted isis has a very good adoption process for their bully breeds, even requiring a home visit if they have any questions about the potential owners. you also get free obedience/socialization classes.

like any high energy or working dog bully breeds require a strong commitment to make them truly happy, but if you put in that effort the unconditional love they return to you is truly amazing. in many ways she rescued me just as much as i rescued her. :)

My point about pitbulls in movies, tv shows and music videos being portrayed with people that want to appear tough, are playing gangsters, thugs and drug dealers encourage people that also want to look tough to get these kind of dogs when they have no real interest in being good owners.

Years ago you didn't see pitbulls portrayed in that manner.

The images portrayed by this media encourages the wrong kind of owners for this breed of dog.

There's some pits that are really violent, but everything depends of your treatment that you're giving to you dog, it's like in the vid, CONFINEMENT makes your dog more violent, doesn't matter if it's a pitt or another...

Generalize and more of the same. Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?¨

Give a high regarded source of this facts, you can make hannibal lector look good on paper.

:2 cents:

I believe if dogs arent around other dogs when they are young, they will more likely have some territory defense mechanism. My grandparents have a dog for moose hunting, that don't don't go very well around other female dogs. She's friendly to people and also to male dogs.

Actually I walked in to my inner city area today and were to step in to a shopping center with a pitt in a line by it self outside. Stood there for a second or two and a lady just came out and picked him up...

It was deja vu-gfy :upsidedow

every thing in nature has its own reason to be here, not every dog is here to be like a pupet, and dogs like pitbulls are here for cops/army purposes ... there they have to be, only trained for attacks and kills. do not try to make a pet from satan! and stfu if you are saying that those fucking agressive dogs are nice to have them at home ...

this is exactly the kind of uninformed (and poorly worded) propaganda that these dogs have to deal with.

if you read this thread at all, or researched this breed you would know they were bred to loyal, obedient and NON-aggressive towards humans. yes is many cases they were bred to fight OTHER DOGS, but even more so they were bred as working dogs and loyal companions.

these dogs were not bred for the police/army specifically although they have been used extensively in both of those areas. they were bred for farmers, ranchers, and families. the sad reality is that because of their physical prowess they have been trained for dog fighting, but as 12clicksmichele said human aggressive fighters were culled. a fighting dog is no good if it attacks its handler.

another reason they were used as fighting dogs aside from their physical attributes is their tendency to have an incredibly high prey drive. this contributes to them being dog aggressive, however with proper work and training a bully can be just as happy and social as any other dog.

Any video w/ a U2 song as the backdrop is a WIN!! A video w/ "Where the Streets Have No Name" is an EPIC WIN!! :banana

Got my tix the other day to see them Oct 9th here in Tampa! :bowdown :GFYBand

Thread related, my neighbor's pitbull is the most well behaved dog in the neighborhood. Then again, they are good, responsible dog owners - so it only makes sense.

My wife and I have been looking to adopt a puppy, and would love a pit, but given the homeowners insurance mess here in FL, it's nearly impossible (w/o lying).

the trouble is that ALL dogs are capable of snapping one day and attacking someone, regardless of the owner and upbringing. if that dog happens to be a pitbull, rottweiler etc then the damage it does is that much more significant.

Bump for the threads about abused children on GFY

Sad indeed seems no1 take it seriously

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You make a good point. Pitbulls were originally called Nanny dogs because they were so good around kids. I had a pit and she was great around kids. We were in a hotel once waiting for an elevator and out of no where a bunch of little kids saw her. One of them yelled doggie. There were six of them surrounding her, petting her and she just sat there. I would park my car, go to lunch and I can see from the window stupid people sticking their hands in the window to pet her.She loved the attention.
I now have a jack mix, I dont let him near kids. He almost attacked the uverse man.Things rub him the wrong way too quickly and he is a little dog with a big set of teeth. I adopted him at 6 so he is alittle broken.