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and while i haven't heard of of any cocker spaniels mauling anyone lately i certainly have heard of labs%2

The dog in the Little Rascals was a pit bull ...
My husband and I have more fear of a Doberman than
a Pit Bull Terrier.

Iam sorry Smokey.. I am offended by your ignorance of the Pit Bull terrier.

Sincerely
Stephanie Hastert

i am sorry stephanie that you cant find one thing to support your argument and choose to call me ignorant on the subject without explaining yourself :)

i bet you didnt think that through very hard did you , the whale would die very quickly without water , the mosquito would just fly thru the cage and bite your silly ass expecting the whale to win and give you malaria :)

We used to live with the occupation that Dobermwns were the badass dog breed when I was a teen. Judging by your avatar. I guess I'm in your age(mid 20s).

Everything goes in circles of course, just look at fashion. Or the mobile phone, as an improved device. Smaller thinner, more functions, and cleaner design?

But considered ...and what are, are two very different things.

The same goes for dogs, we learn new things and see new things. And we want to improve them in some way, or create new tools and better tools. More powerful tools and more badass tools.

Then we get rid of things, and make new discoverys, get new fresh views and so on.

We make life easier, safer, etc

The fact that I thought Dobermen was the most badass dog only mean that
I just like you didn't have much knowledge around Pittbulls.

They have been the most badass dog since the 18th century. Even before I were born(doh!)

But I know what you are getting at, and indeed they are seen more in
movies now days. But that arent don't judgmental right for the horryfying images we have seen in this thread.

And by evidence the damage on list after list you don't have to try to convince yourself otherwise. Crackdealers+pitbulls+movies.

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I know this isn't really going to make a difference and will most likely not even be read. But in the assumption that this is a discussion where different opinions are tolerated I posted some history of the breed.

From their inception, these dogs have been bred for general human companionship, and since the 1900s, they have been bred for conformation showing as well. From the very beginning, pit bulls have been used as farm dogs, family dogs, military mascots, and all-purpose companions. In England, the Staffie Bull is affectionately known as ?The Nanny Dog? or ?The Children?s Nursemaid? because of their placid and nurturing demeanor toward children.


In 1903 Dr. Horatio Nelson Jackson hit the road with co-driver Sewall K. Crocker and a pit bull named Bud, who wore goggles, just like his master, to keep the dust from his eyes. Together, the three made the very first road trip across the US. Bud drew almost as much public attention as his fellow travelers. While it is unclear as to why Jackson and Crocker picked up Bud about halfway through their trip, one story suggests that Jackson rescued him from dogfighters.

In the early twentieth century, pit bulls were so respected for their loyalty, determination, and bravery that they were chosen to represent America in WWI posters. The first decorated canine war hero was a pit bull named Sergeant Stubby. He was, until his death, a guest of every White House administration.

Many highly respected historical figures have owned pit bulls: President Woodrow Wilson, President Theodore Roosevelt, Helen Keller, Fred Astaire, Humphrey Bogart, and Thomas Edison, to name a few.

Today, pit bulls are respected and dearly loved by those who know them for what they truly are and not the monsters the media has created.

Pit Bulls and People

Perhaps the most important characteristic of pit bulls is their amazing love of people. Many people are surprised by the loving personality of these dogs the first time they meet one. Pit bulls are remarkably affectionate and truly enjoy human attention. They are wonderful cuddlers and love nothing more than a belly rub. In fact, most pit bulls think they are lap dogs!

As Dunbar (1999) writes, "Today, a properly bred pit bull is so exuberantly happy upon meeting her owner's friends (or even friendly strangers) that new owners sometimes worry that their dog is too sweet and fun-loving to protect their home and family... A multi-talented companion, the well-trained pit bull is suited for a variety of exciting activities. He excels at obedience, agility and weight-pulling competitions, events which showcase intelligence, trainability and strength. In addition, the pit bull's pleasant nature makes him an ideal candidate for therapy work with people."

Traits like human aggression, severe shyness, and instability are not typically found in the APBT breed, nor are they acceptable. Dogs with these traits are not good representatives of the breed and should not be placed into adoptive homes.

Those who wish to label these breeds as ?dangerous? are often quick to insist that the dogfighting aspect of their history somehow means that they are inclined to ?fight? humans. This is simply wrong. A central fact of pit bulls? history is that their lineage actually makes them less inclined to be aggressive toward humans. For over 160 years, they have been systematically


bred away from human aggressiveness. As Malcolm Gladwell (author of The Tipping Point, Blink and Outliers) explains in an article published in The New Yorker in 2006:

Pit bulls were not bred to fight humans. On the contrary: a dog that went after spectators, or its handler, or the trainer, or any of the other people involved in making a dogfighting dog a good dogfighter was usually put down. (The rule in the pit-bull world was "Man-eaters die.")

So while human aggressive pit bulls were actively culled from bloodlines, traits such as gentleness, temperamental stability, and the desire to be handled by humans were emphasized. These qualities are the foundation of the ?pit bull? breeds. It explains why footage of pit bulls being rescued from horrific circumstances usually features skinny, scarred-up dogs with wagging tails and happy tongues joyfully greeting law enforcement officers. ?A pit bull is dangerous to people,? Gladwell concludes, ?not to the extent that it expresses its essential pit bullness but to the extent that it deviates from it.?

here are some more things to consider:

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/legislation.php


case and point statistics lie. so think before you start spouting your non-sense about how pit bulls are blood thirsty killers, because to anyone who knows you just seem like an ignorant jackass.

nice quiz, I bet most people click 10 times before picking out the pit in there.

Actually I am 35 so thank you for the compliment. The point I am trying to make by my comment and using movies ect as an example that if dog fighters and criminals and people think that Dobermans or Rotties are "THE" bad ass dog, those are the dogs they are going to acquire and TRAIN to be aggressive. You will statistically start seeing a rise in attacks from those breeds because of HUMAN involvement.

I am not arguing that there are pit bulls from loving homes that sometimes attack. BUT there are also animals from every other breed big and small that do as well. Do you really think an Akita, Rottie, Doberman, Shepherd even a Great Dane could not do as much damage to a person? What I am saying is a majority of ANY breed of dog that attacks usually has been neglected, abused or not trained properly.

We've owned and bread American Pit Bull terriers for god knows how long. Most do not have the slightest idea of how to breed good-tempered dogs. Yes they possess extreme animal aggression but what breed does not? In our opinion a cockapoo is extremely aggressive.
A poodle is very temperamental and will snap at anything once provoked ...
What are you trying to prove ?
This propaganda is nothing short of nonsense!

dude i own one, i love them, plenty of my friends own them and it still took me 8 times to find one.

They sound pretty trainable and intelligent not only to me but apparently to many other people.

I think maybe you misunderstood Smokey. From what I have taken from every comment of his since the beginning of the thread that he supports pitbulls.

And the title of this thread is :
Very supporting!

Did you watch the video? It is in support of pitbulls. The thread title was I am sure intended to be an example that a inflammatory statement such as that would garner more attention than a Hey look at this cute video of pitbulls not being vicious killers.
Much the way the media mistakenly labels many attacks done by other breeds that are not pit bulls because it is sensational.

here's my natural born killer
http://oracleporn.com/bono-de-pug.jpg
get close and prepare to get your ass handed to you :)

OMG he is adorable! I love pugs.

Do you believe in numbers and statics that prove that pittbulls are one of the most dangerous dog breeds?

Do you believe that the horryfying images in this thread are real and not photoshopped, and all steaming in form of a pittbull attack?

Do you believe Irish Wolfhounds are larger in height than pittbulls?

Do you believe Irish Wolfhounds to be stronger and more muscular than in general a pittbull?

Have you heard in any news about Irish Wolfhounds doing fatal damage to something?

Do you believe that this page you just have quoted and copied from are a trusthworthy source?

Answer these questions, and take a few deep breaths, and then try to remind yours of this thread and questions for three days.

I swear that on monday when you go to sleep you can cope with the feelings a lot better around pittbulls, but they are only dangerous with a badass owner. :thumbsup

don't let the looks fool you...he can kill...

I have said over and over that I am not denying that there have been pitbull attacks. I have also stated that I am sure that not all of those attacks stemmed from irresponsible ownership. What I am saying is that there have been many cases where pitbulls have been misidentified by the media as the breed that actually attacked. And yes I do trust where I have quoted from, being they are a national organization that is affiliated with the ASPCA. I have not researched every dog breed. I have researched the dog breeds that I have either owned or have been interested in owning. I have no interest in owning an Irish Wolfhound so I am not going to pretend to know about them.

Wow a rational american pittbull breeder, that take pride in being a well trained owner and breeder also spot lame propaganda attempts....

Supposedly there are a smart breeders with pitbulls too, just not too many in this thread.

The fact that you are breeder of them and dont bully back on the aggression in this breed, that should be the first step to pass, when someone wants to get a pitt bull.

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ok, you astart to sound more rational.

I didn't really get your point with the pittbulls in movies. :winkwink:

Better just keep shoting straight like this woman!

There are probably a lot of attacks that are misidentified.

But consider the most brutal and fatal cases, it can't be hard to identify
what dog did damge.

Hopefully cops just search up owners in a specific area and then start searching that area off and talk with people and look for witnesses.

I don't doubt that there are thousands of dogs misidentified but when there are a lot of damage done by a dog attack I believe it's necessary to get the dog identefied, to provide later safety for both dogs and people around that area, and get a dog identified, and put to sleep.

I don't know for sure of course, I'm just speculating, maybe there some statistics somewhere on this too. There dogs have done fatal damage and never been found.

I am concerned about pitts doing more damage than other breeds when they attack and don't stop with one bite.

***Double post**

I like to correct grammar errors in my post above, do I contact lensman to get the key???

i still point the finger at the owners. unfortunately pit bulls are the "in" dog to have for degenerates. if tomorrow the irish wolfhound became the it dog for the "thug" lifestyle i would bet money that their attack/kill ratio would sky rocket. it's a shame that derelict owners buy these dogs with specific intention of making them mean.

i think my analogy with 9mm hand guns still stands. if you analyzed gun death statistics i would be willing to bet that 9mm's make up the largest subset when compared to other calibers. because of the fact that they are popular among people who are involved in shootings. that gangster/thug/derelict type. so passing breed specific legislation is just like saying "if we ban 9mm's most of our gun violence will go away". no, that's retarded. people would just move on to a different caliber. same with pit bulls. if they were banned tomorrow across the country i guarantee that the new sensationalized news articles would just switch to another scape goat breed adopted by degenerate filth who have no business owning any type of dog.

i just got back from a nice long walk with Isis about 15 minutes ago. we were accosted by a group of cub scouts. i don't think i have ever seen her happier. 20 sets of hands petting her at the same time, she was in heaven. it provided a great teaching opportunity as well, because the seconds question they asked after "can i pet your dog?" was "what kind of dog is that?".

i really enjoy that because my vision for my dog is not only as a fantastic companion, but also an ambassador to the breed that will show people the truly loving nature of the APBT. she excels at that already. it also doesn't hurt that she looks just like petey from the little racals (who by the way was a APBT).

it's a really good feeling to be able to educate people to the true nature and history of the APBT. one of the little kids also blurted out between pets "she's a pit bull! my granpap has one of these i love her!"

i think in the next couple years you're going to see a real turn around in the public perception of bully breeds, thanks in large part to organizations like http://www.HelloBully.com there is also a really good editorial up on the home page of there right now about irresponsible owners and bites which is worth a read.

i'm glad that in some small way i can contribute to killing the myths and fighting the prejudice against these dogs, because they deserve it. if you show them a little bit of love and affection they will reward you a million times with loyalty and loving companionship.

if anything we should be thinking about increasing the penalties against irresponsible dog owners in general, because it is not just bullies that are subject to neglect and mistreatment.

my only two warnings about the dangers of the APBT are this:

1. sometimes they will lick their butt then try to give you kisses
2. they will find a way no matter what to steal 90% of your bed and all of your blankets

Yes that's really ashame, and that gangsters should be banned to have any dogs of the highest and strongest dog breeds.

I'm certain that you are right, but I can't really see the 9MM comparision with a dog. And that's because of a few simple reasons. I could see you are right about 9MM and that something else will replace the 9MM hand guns. But the upringing and raising of a breed like a dog to become agressive, are everytime a lot more complicated than just getting any type of hand gun. And when you have a hand gun, any type of hand gun could kill, if you shot real bullets that is.

I believe most hand guns are built the same, the vary between dog breeds are much more wider than comparing it with a hand gun.

After all there are also nromal guns, shot-guns and uzis. If we want to compare pittbulls with guns we may as well have give them an automatic rifle name of some sorts. Something used in military wars.

Then it's up to the owners of them weapons on how they use them and waht they use them for.

You seem like a good dog owner, and I know it's all about how we care about them. And I don't want to see any deaths to any dogs, all I want is some kind of regulations on the owners part. I also hate all media in general and I agree about waht have been said that Pit bulls are getting a bad name because of Media attention.

Just as my part of the city have become a bad name in my
local news, because of crime lately.

Ban all mainsteram news, and a lot of pitts and people will become much happier.

Dog owners should be held personally responsible for the actions of their dog.

If their dog kills a person, the owner should be charged with manslaughter. If their dog bites someone they should be charged with grevious bodily harm.

Additionally, they should not only be held criminally responsible but civilly responsible and should be sued by those who are victims of their dogs behaviour.

Any dog that harms a person in any way should be immediately destroyed.

That piece of intellectual advice should come in quite handy with regards to
a home invasion which is running ramped now-a-days.
Or does your ingenious opinion fall under circumstantial situations ?

Dogs are not people and are not entitled to the same rights.

You still did not answer my question but chose to side-step and
to dance around it. :thumbsup
You have your opinion and on our property we have ours. :)
Emphasize your point to Klaus and Naked as you enter our home
uninvited. :)
I can guarantee the discussion will not last more than a few seconds. :)

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=897561

Sincerely
Stephanie Hastert

So far reading through this thread, NO ONE seems to want to point out that every dog can inherit a different temperament based upon the dogs that they were bred from.

I'm not talking about breed here. I'm talking about the individual dog's attitude and personality. My wife and I have three Shih tzus and while two of them are very children friendly, one of them will snap and bite if not monitored closely (He is the alpha male among the three).

My ex-gf at one point had 14 dogs - 4 Dutch Shepherds and 10 Malinois (Police dog training rejects from Holland). She had pedigree papers on each one and they were kept in separate run areas in groups that matched their personalities. A few of them were straight-up dog killers, but were as gentle as can be with people. Others didn't like people at all and even we had to be careful in handling them - Even though they would obey commands, they still had to be watched as their personality was too volatile.

Any dog can be dangerous even despite training. It is up to the owner to know a dog's personality as well as possible since the parameters change completely in some instances when a dog senses fear or is faced with what they perceive to be a weaker member of the "pack" (in most cases, children).

i think you missed the point of the video/thread, as michele pointed out, the thread title was the title of the video that is MOCKING a common theme of hatred towards pitbulls.


reread the thread

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Pack of chihuaua's attacks police officer

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10652469/ :upsidedow

On all these pit bull attacks I would like to see the back story on it. I would bet dollars to donuts there is something there. Pit bulls were one of the most popular family pets,thats why petey in the little rascals was a pit. They were also called the nursemaids helper because how good they were with children.

You absolutely kill me!
Where do you find all this stuff? lol

You're correct. I comprehended the thread as a attack on the Pit Bull Terrier.
No I did not chose to view your opening video for the fear of a actual attack.
I did however scroll down to see "AaronM"'s photo's of a little girl
who appeared to a victim of a dog attack. Again, I chose not to read the details
in a attempt to shield myself from the horror and tragedy.

My apoligizies

Stephanie Hastert

the interweb, its a cool place.. the point was a pack of anythings can attack you ... if you took away every dog except chihuaua's there would still be attacks. The above attack happened now when people CAN have bigger dogs, the point was if you banned all other dogs, the idiots would have packs of chihuahua's that would be just as dangerous to children/elderly that are the majority of death's.

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You have lost your mind.

Some pitbull wounds:

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.chr...old_thief2.gif
http://www.trauma.org/images/image_l...ull_Bite_3.JPG
http://z.hubpages.com/u/274872_f520.jpg


Here is a list of victims of 127 pit bull attacks on humans that occurred across the United States in an 85-day period between July to September 2008.

* 127 attacks recorded
* 57% of the attacks occurred off-property
* 158 people were injured
* 63% of these injuries were severe
* 10% entailed severed body parts
* 6 people were killed

All 158 Victims
7/31 Blanchard, LA - Kathryn Long, 27, 7/31 Cincinnati, OH - Senior Citizen, 7/30 Charlotte, IN - Teenager, 15, 7/30 Valdosta, GA - Shelby Yates, 8, 7/29 Spokane, WA - Child, 8, 7/29 Seattle, WA - Jane Doe, 7/26 Paw Paw, MI - Child, 10, 7/26 Itta Bena, MI - Becky Lee Grimes, 7/27 Amity, PA - Thomas "T.J." Knight, 24, 7/27 Wappingers, Falls NY - John Doe, 33, 7/27 Wappingers, Falls NY - Jane Doe, 49, 7/27 Jackson Co, KY - Randy Spurlock , 7/27 Jackson Co, KY - Robert Fields, 7/27 Jackson Co, KY - Stephanie Bishop, 7/25 Hooksick, NY - Joseph Phlipsak, 7/23 New Port, VA Beonquay Earley, 31, 7/23 Jackson, MI - Tony Evans, JR, 3, 7/23 Pima Co, AZ - Child, 7, 7/23 Oakville, WA - Child, 5, 7/22 Long Beach, CA - Jane Doe, 7/21 Sharon, OH - Police Officer, 7/21 Tacoma, WA - Jorgann Simonsen, 55, 7/20 Whitesburg, TN - Child, 3, 7/20 Wilkinsburg, PA - Rocco Doman, 8, 7/18 Holdrege, NE - Diane Ronnenkamp, 7/17 Albany, NY - Nirel Andrews, 9, 7/17 Anderson, SC - US Marshall, 7/16 Fresno Co, CA - Mail Carrier, 36, 7/15 Gary, IN - Cornell Roberson, 10, 7/15 Toldeo, OH - Aaron Leach, 2, 7/15 Hastings, NE - Michael Heuertz, 7/14 Columbus, OH - Randal Lavelle, 44, 7/11 Melrose, FL - Miranda Miller, 11, 7/11 Wolfeboro, NH - John Doe, 7/11 Wolfeboro, NH - Jane Doe, 7/10 St. Louis, MO - William Smith, 7/10 Tucson, AZ - Officer Ryan Danaher, 7/09 Dallas, TX - Roger Powell, 50, 7/08 Pierson, IW - Child, 7, 7/07 San Jacinto, TX - John Doe, 7/07 Rochester, NY - Greg Fuller, 35, 7/07 Rochester, NY - Teenager, 17, 7/07 Rochester, NY - Jane Doe, 7/07 Evansville, IN - James E. Croft, 47, 7/06 Las Vegas, NV - Jane Doe, 7/06 Maui, HI - Addison Marten, 7, 7/05 Brooklyn, NY - Kamar Reynolds, 3, 7/03 Stockton, CA - AC Officer, 7/03 Stockton, CA - AC Officer, 7/03 Stockton, CA - Child, 7/02 Springfield, IL - Sandra Johnson, 7/02 Omaha, NE - Officer Shawn Leclair, 7/01 Omaha, NE - John Doe, 7/01 Springfield, IL - Mail carrier, 7/01 Springfield, IL - Mail carrier, 7/01 Staten Is, NY - Henry Piotrowski, 90

8/30 Kalispell, MO - Senior Citizen, 64, 8/29 Atlanta, GA - Child, 8/29 Atlanta, GA - Child, 8/29 Atlanta, GA - Child, 8/29 Atlanta, GA - Child, 8/29 Atlanta, GA - Child, 8/29 Kokomo, IN - Jane Doe, 8/29 Kokomo, IN - Child, 11, 8/29 Chili, NY - Thomas Tziatzou, 70, 8/28 Tucson, AZ - Jane Doe, 20, 8/28 Clarksville, TN - Jane Doe, 8/27 Washington DC - Child, 10, 8/27 Washington DC - Child, 8, 8/27 Washington DC - Jane Doe, 8/23 Onconee Co, NC - Cameron Salinas, 4, 8/22 Scottsbluff, NE - Lori Poster, 8/22 Scottsbluff, NE - Tiffani Bowkett, 16, 8/22 Elizabethton, TN - Child, 4, 8/22 Deerfield Beach, FL - Dan Hout, 40, 8/21 Liberty, FL - Jane Doe, 8/21 Washington DC - Child, 6, 8/19 Anchorage, AK - Isis Krieger, 6, 8/19 Aberdeen, MD - Demetrious Allen, 1, 8/19 East Alton, IL - Kristen Baze, 19, 8/18 Jamestown, NY - Teenager, 15, 8/17 Sacramento, CA - Maintenance Man, 8/17 Fort Wayne, IN - Child, 8/17 Fort Wayne, IN - Child, 8/16 Detroit, MI - Robert Howard, 38, 8/16 Omaha, NE - Police Officer, 8/15 Dedham, MA - Jane Doe, 8/14 Fairdale, KY - Teenager, 15, 8/14 Grand Rapids, MI - Child, 8/14 Darby, PA - Child, 12, 8/13 Edinburg, TX - Child, 2, 8/13 Hillside, NJ - Citizen, 8/13 Hillside, NJ - Citizen, 8/12 Pierre, SD - Child, 6, 8/12 Pierre, SD - Senior Citizen, 58, 8/09 Bethlehem, PA - Millie Valenti, 75, 8/07 Birmingham, AL - Child, 6, 8/07 Bingen, WA - Grandmother Sanchez, 8/07 Bingen, WA - Rosario Sanchez, 8/07 Bingen, WA - Mira Sanchez, 8/07 Bingen, WA - Father Sanchez, 8/03 Columbus, OH - Senior Citizen, 85, 8/03 Safety Harbor, FL - Child, 6, 8/03 Glendale AZ - Child, 4, 8/03 Pittburg, CA - Delaney Williams, 6, 8/02 Ty Ty, GA - Larry Pullen, 5, 8/02 Vallejo, CA - Antonio Mazza, 6, 8/01 Niagra Falls NY - Delia Bissell, 40, 8/01 Chicago, IL - Child, 11, 8/01 Muskogee, OK - Leesa Gray, 1

9/30 Erie, PA - Child, 12, 9/30 Phoenix, AZ - Carl Corona, 42, 9/28 Louisville, KY - Child, 8, 9/27 Evansville, CA - Tony Burden, 24, 9/27 Manatee, FL - Child, 6, 9/26 Waukegan, MI - Kiara Lynn, 19, 9/26 Panama City, FL - John Doe, 9/26 Panama City, FL - Teenager, 13, 9/26 Oroville, CA - Wanda Lawver, 34, 9/24 Oakhurst, CA - Laurie Garrison, 9/24 Sheboygan, WI - Tamra Bolle, 26, 9/24 Sequatchie, Co. TN - Curtis Brady, 29, 9/22 Omaha, NE - John Doe, 9/19 Chicago, IL - Trayshawn Toliver, 6, 9/19 San Antonio, TX - Denise Rocha, 41, 9/19 Racine, WI - Richard B. Anderson, 50, 9/19 Racine, WI - Citizen, 9/19 Racine, WI - Citizen, 9/16 Port Hurdon, MI - Student, 9/16 Port Hurdon, MI - Student, 9/16 Port Hurdon, MI - Student, 9/16 Port Hurdon, MI - Student, 9/15 Greenburgh, NY - Policeman, 9/15 Moses Lake, WA - Alex Medina, 6, 9/13 Shelton, WA - Michael Warner, 55, 9/13 Hasbrouck, NJ - Stella Torti, 82, 9/12 Las Vegas, NV - Cenedi Carey, 4m, 9/12 Las Vegas, NV - Senior Citizen, 9/12 Tucson, AZ - Andrew Diodati, 16, 9/12 Tucson, AZ - Jeff Dolph, 15, 9/11 Irondequoit, NY - Ann Guyette, 41, 9/10 Long Island, NY - Jerry Arenello, 57, 9/10 Farmingdale, NY - Jane Doe, 49, 9/09 Ville Platte, LA - Luna McDaniel, 83, 9/09 Canton, OH - Tayshawn Hamilton, 11, 9/09 Washington Co, TN - Senior Citizen, 9/09 Washington Co, TN - Child, 1, 9/08 SeaTac, WA - Huong Le, 71, 9/07 Boise, ID - Lonnie Holloway, 35, 9/07 Chicago, IL - Jaslin Sampre, 4, 9/07 San Antonio, TX - AC Officer, 9/07 San Antonio, TX - John Doe, 9/06 Wichita Falls, TX - Aurora Castro, 46, 9/06 Salt Lake, UT - Senior Citizen, 9/05 Palm Bay, FL - Roger Lindee, 41, 9/05 Palm Bay, FL - John Doe, 9/05 Albany, GA - Lieutenant Greg Elder, 9/04 Sioux City, IW - Teenager, 17, 9/03 Golden Gate, FL - Sharry Brewer, 59, 9/02 North Little Rock, AR - Jacob Ross, 9, 9/01 White Bluff, TN - Child, 2

Just 85 days for all that carnage.

Lets see chihuahuas do that.