I have said over and over that I am not denying that there have been pitbull attacks. I have also stated that I am sure that not all of those attacks stemmed from irresponsible ownership. What I am saying is that there have been many cases where pitbulls have been misidentified by the media as the breed that actually attacked. And yes I do trust where I have quoted from, being they are a national organization that is affiliated with the ASPCA. I have not researched every dog breed. I have researched the dog breeds that I have either owned or have been interested in owning. I have no interest in owning an Irish Wolfhound so I am not going to pretend to know about them.

Wow a rational american pittbull breeder, that take pride in being a well trained owner and breeder also spot lame propaganda attempts....

Supposedly there are a smart breeders with pitbulls too, just not too many in this thread.

The fact that you are breeder of them and dont bully back on the aggression in this breed, that should be the first step to pass, when someone wants to get a pitt bull.

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ok, you astart to sound more rational.

I didn't really get your point with the pittbulls in movies. :winkwink:

Better just keep shoting straight like this woman!

There are probably a lot of attacks that are misidentified.

But consider the most brutal and fatal cases, it can't be hard to identify
what dog did damge.

Hopefully cops just search up owners in a specific area and then start searching that area off and talk with people and look for witnesses.

I don't doubt that there are thousands of dogs misidentified but when there are a lot of damage done by a dog attack I believe it's necessary to get the dog identefied, to provide later safety for both dogs and people around that area, and get a dog identified, and put to sleep.

I don't know for sure of course, I'm just speculating, maybe there some statistics somewhere on this too. There dogs have done fatal damage and never been found.

I am concerned about pitts doing more damage than other breeds when they attack and don't stop with one bite.

***Double post**

I like to correct grammar errors in my post above, do I contact lensman to get the key???

i still point the finger at the owners. unfortunately pit bulls are the "in" dog to have for degenerates. if tomorrow the irish wolfhound became the it dog for the "thug" lifestyle i would bet money that their attack/kill ratio would sky rocket. it's a shame that derelict owners buy these dogs with specific intention of making them mean.

i think my analogy with 9mm hand guns still stands. if you analyzed gun death statistics i would be willing to bet that 9mm's make up the largest subset when compared to other calibers. because of the fact that they are popular among people who are involved in shootings. that gangster/thug/derelict type. so passing breed specific legislation is just like saying "if we ban 9mm's most of our gun violence will go away". no, that's retarded. people would just move on to a different caliber. same with pit bulls. if they were banned tomorrow across the country i guarantee that the new sensationalized news articles would just switch to another scape goat breed adopted by degenerate filth who have no business owning any type of dog.

i just got back from a nice long walk with Isis about 15 minutes ago. we were accosted by a group of cub scouts. i don't think i have ever seen her happier. 20 sets of hands petting her at the same time, she was in heaven. it provided a great teaching opportunity as well, because the seconds question they asked after "can i pet your dog?" was "what kind of dog is that?".

i really enjoy that because my vision for my dog is not only as a fantastic companion, but also an ambassador to the breed that will show people the truly loving nature of the APBT. she excels at that already. it also doesn't hurt that she looks just like petey from the little racals (who by the way was a APBT).

it's a really good feeling to be able to educate people to the true nature and history of the APBT. one of the little kids also blurted out between pets "she's a pit bull! my granpap has one of these i love her!"

i think in the next couple years you're going to see a real turn around in the public perception of bully breeds, thanks in large part to organizations like http://www.HelloBully.com there is also a really good editorial up on the home page of there right now about irresponsible owners and bites which is worth a read.

i'm glad that in some small way i can contribute to killing the myths and fighting the prejudice against these dogs, because they deserve it. if you show them a little bit of love and affection they will reward you a million times with loyalty and loving companionship.

if anything we should be thinking about increasing the penalties against irresponsible dog owners in general, because it is not just bullies that are subject to neglect and mistreatment.

my only two warnings about the dangers of the APBT are this:

1. sometimes they will lick their butt then try to give you kisses
2. they will find a way no matter what to steal 90% of your bed and all of your blankets

Yes that's really ashame, and that gangsters should be banned to have any dogs of the highest and strongest dog breeds.

I'm certain that you are right, but I can't really see the 9MM comparision with a dog. And that's because of a few simple reasons. I could see you are right about 9MM and that something else will replace the 9MM hand guns. But the upringing and raising of a breed like a dog to become agressive, are everytime a lot more complicated than just getting any type of hand gun. And when you have a hand gun, any type of hand gun could kill, if you shot real bullets that is.

I believe most hand guns are built the same, the vary between dog breeds are much more wider than comparing it with a hand gun.

After all there are also nromal guns, shot-guns and uzis. If we want to compare pittbulls with guns we may as well have give them an automatic rifle name of some sorts. Something used in military wars.

Then it's up to the owners of them weapons on how they use them and waht they use them for.

You seem like a good dog owner, and I know it's all about how we care about them. And I don't want to see any deaths to any dogs, all I want is some kind of regulations on the owners part. I also hate all media in general and I agree about waht have been said that Pit bulls are getting a bad name because of Media attention.

Just as my part of the city have become a bad name in my
local news, because of crime lately.

Ban all mainsteram news, and a lot of pitts and people will become much happier.

Dog owners should be held personally responsible for the actions of their dog.

If their dog kills a person, the owner should be charged with manslaughter. If their dog bites someone they should be charged with grevious bodily harm.

Additionally, they should not only be held criminally responsible but civilly responsible and should be sued by those who are victims of their dogs behaviour.

Any dog that harms a person in any way should be immediately destroyed.

That piece of intellectual advice should come in quite handy with regards to
a home invasion which is running ramped now-a-days.
Or does your ingenious opinion fall under circumstantial situations ?

Dogs are not people and are not entitled to the same rights.

You still did not answer my question but chose to side-step and
to dance around it. :thumbsup
You have your opinion and on our property we have ours. :)
Emphasize your point to Klaus and Naked as you enter our home
uninvited. :)
I can guarantee the discussion will not last more than a few seconds. :)

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=897561

Sincerely
Stephanie Hastert

So far reading through this thread, NO ONE seems to want to point out that every dog can inherit a different temperament based upon the dogs that they were bred from.

I'm not talking about breed here. I'm talking about the individual dog's attitude and personality. My wife and I have three Shih tzus and while two of them are very children friendly, one of them will snap and bite if not monitored closely (He is the alpha male among the three).

My ex-gf at one point had 14 dogs - 4 Dutch Shepherds and 10 Malinois (Police dog training rejects from Holland). She had pedigree papers on each one and they were kept in separate run areas in groups that matched their personalities. A few of them were straight-up dog killers, but were as gentle as can be with people. Others didn't like people at all and even we had to be careful in handling them - Even though they would obey commands, they still had to be watched as their personality was too volatile.

Any dog can be dangerous even despite training. It is up to the owner to know a dog's personality as well as possible since the parameters change completely in some instances when a dog senses fear or is faced with what they perceive to be a weaker member of the "pack" (in most cases, children).

i think you missed the point of the video/thread, as michele pointed out, the thread title was the title of the video that is MOCKING a common theme of hatred towards pitbulls.


reread the thread

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Pack of chihuaua's attacks police officer

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10652469/ :upsidedow

On all these pit bull attacks I would like to see the back story on it. I would bet dollars to donuts there is something there. Pit bulls were one of the most popular family pets,thats why petey in the little rascals was a pit. They were also called the nursemaids helper because how good they were with children.

You absolutely kill me!
Where do you find all this stuff? lol

You're correct. I comprehended the thread as a attack on the Pit Bull Terrier.
No I did not chose to view your opening video for the fear of a actual attack.
I did however scroll down to see "AaronM"'s photo's of a little girl
who appeared to a victim of a dog attack. Again, I chose not to read the details
in a attempt to shield myself from the horror and tragedy.

My apoligizies

Stephanie Hastert

the interweb, its a cool place.. the point was a pack of anythings can attack you ... if you took away every dog except chihuaua's there would still be attacks. The above attack happened now when people CAN have bigger dogs, the point was if you banned all other dogs, the idiots would have packs of chihuahua's that would be just as dangerous to children/elderly that are the majority of death's.

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You have lost your mind.

Some pitbull wounds:

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http://www.trauma.org/images/image_l...ull_Bite_3.JPG
http://z.hubpages.com/u/274872_f520.jpg


Here is a list of victims of 127 pit bull attacks on humans that occurred across the United States in an 85-day period between July to September 2008.

* 127 attacks recorded
* 57% of the attacks occurred off-property
* 158 people were injured
* 63% of these injuries were severe
* 10% entailed severed body parts
* 6 people were killed

All 158 Victims
7/31 Blanchard, LA - Kathryn Long, 27, 7/31 Cincinnati, OH - Senior Citizen, 7/30 Charlotte, IN - Teenager, 15, 7/30 Valdosta, GA - Shelby Yates, 8, 7/29 Spokane, WA - Child, 8, 7/29 Seattle, WA - Jane Doe, 7/26 Paw Paw, MI - Child, 10, 7/26 Itta Bena, MI - Becky Lee Grimes, 7/27 Amity, PA - Thomas "T.J." Knight, 24, 7/27 Wappingers, Falls NY - John Doe, 33, 7/27 Wappingers, Falls NY - Jane Doe, 49, 7/27 Jackson Co, KY - Randy Spurlock , 7/27 Jackson Co, KY - Robert Fields, 7/27 Jackson Co, KY - Stephanie Bishop, 7/25 Hooksick, NY - Joseph Phlipsak, 7/23 New Port, VA Beonquay Earley, 31, 7/23 Jackson, MI - Tony Evans, JR, 3, 7/23 Pima Co, AZ - Child, 7, 7/23 Oakville, WA - Child, 5, 7/22 Long Beach, CA - Jane Doe, 7/21 Sharon, OH - Police Officer, 7/21 Tacoma, WA - Jorgann Simonsen, 55, 7/20 Whitesburg, TN - Child, 3, 7/20 Wilkinsburg, PA - Rocco Doman, 8, 7/18 Holdrege, NE - Diane Ronnenkamp, 7/17 Albany, NY - Nirel Andrews, 9, 7/17 Anderson, SC - US Marshall, 7/16 Fresno Co, CA - Mail Carrier, 36, 7/15 Gary, IN - Cornell Roberson, 10, 7/15 Toldeo, OH - Aaron Leach, 2, 7/15 Hastings, NE - Michael Heuertz, 7/14 Columbus, OH - Randal Lavelle, 44, 7/11 Melrose, FL - Miranda Miller, 11, 7/11 Wolfeboro, NH - John Doe, 7/11 Wolfeboro, NH - Jane Doe, 7/10 St. Louis, MO - William Smith, 7/10 Tucson, AZ - Officer Ryan Danaher, 7/09 Dallas, TX - Roger Powell, 50, 7/08 Pierson, IW - Child, 7, 7/07 San Jacinto, TX - John Doe, 7/07 Rochester, NY - Greg Fuller, 35, 7/07 Rochester, NY - Teenager, 17, 7/07 Rochester, NY - Jane Doe, 7/07 Evansville, IN - James E. Croft, 47, 7/06 Las Vegas, NV - Jane Doe, 7/06 Maui, HI - Addison Marten, 7, 7/05 Brooklyn, NY - Kamar Reynolds, 3, 7/03 Stockton, CA - AC Officer, 7/03 Stockton, CA - AC Officer, 7/03 Stockton, CA - Child, 7/02 Springfield, IL - Sandra Johnson, 7/02 Omaha, NE - Officer Shawn Leclair, 7/01 Omaha, NE - John Doe, 7/01 Springfield, IL - Mail carrier, 7/01 Springfield, IL - Mail carrier, 7/01 Staten Is, NY - Henry Piotrowski, 90

8/30 Kalispell, MO - Senior Citizen, 64, 8/29 Atlanta, GA - Child, 8/29 Atlanta, GA - Child, 8/29 Atlanta, GA - Child, 8/29 Atlanta, GA - Child, 8/29 Atlanta, GA - Child, 8/29 Kokomo, IN - Jane Doe, 8/29 Kokomo, IN - Child, 11, 8/29 Chili, NY - Thomas Tziatzou, 70, 8/28 Tucson, AZ - Jane Doe, 20, 8/28 Clarksville, TN - Jane Doe, 8/27 Washington DC - Child, 10, 8/27 Washington DC - Child, 8, 8/27 Washington DC - Jane Doe, 8/23 Onconee Co, NC - Cameron Salinas, 4, 8/22 Scottsbluff, NE - Lori Poster, 8/22 Scottsbluff, NE - Tiffani Bowkett, 16, 8/22 Elizabethton, TN - Child, 4, 8/22 Deerfield Beach, FL - Dan Hout, 40, 8/21 Liberty, FL - Jane Doe, 8/21 Washington DC - Child, 6, 8/19 Anchorage, AK - Isis Krieger, 6, 8/19 Aberdeen, MD - Demetrious Allen, 1, 8/19 East Alton, IL - Kristen Baze, 19, 8/18 Jamestown, NY - Teenager, 15, 8/17 Sacramento, CA - Maintenance Man, 8/17 Fort Wayne, IN - Child, 8/17 Fort Wayne, IN - Child, 8/16 Detroit, MI - Robert Howard, 38, 8/16 Omaha, NE - Police Officer, 8/15 Dedham, MA - Jane Doe, 8/14 Fairdale, KY - Teenager, 15, 8/14 Grand Rapids, MI - Child, 8/14 Darby, PA - Child, 12, 8/13 Edinburg, TX - Child, 2, 8/13 Hillside, NJ - Citizen, 8/13 Hillside, NJ - Citizen, 8/12 Pierre, SD - Child, 6, 8/12 Pierre, SD - Senior Citizen, 58, 8/09 Bethlehem, PA - Millie Valenti, 75, 8/07 Birmingham, AL - Child, 6, 8/07 Bingen, WA - Grandmother Sanchez, 8/07 Bingen, WA - Rosario Sanchez, 8/07 Bingen, WA - Mira Sanchez, 8/07 Bingen, WA - Father Sanchez, 8/03 Columbus, OH - Senior Citizen, 85, 8/03 Safety Harbor, FL - Child, 6, 8/03 Glendale AZ - Child, 4, 8/03 Pittburg, CA - Delaney Williams, 6, 8/02 Ty Ty, GA - Larry Pullen, 5, 8/02 Vallejo, CA - Antonio Mazza, 6, 8/01 Niagra Falls NY - Delia Bissell, 40, 8/01 Chicago, IL - Child, 11, 8/01 Muskogee, OK - Leesa Gray, 1

9/30 Erie, PA - Child, 12, 9/30 Phoenix, AZ - Carl Corona, 42, 9/28 Louisville, KY - Child, 8, 9/27 Evansville, CA - Tony Burden, 24, 9/27 Manatee, FL - Child, 6, 9/26 Waukegan, MI - Kiara Lynn, 19, 9/26 Panama City, FL - John Doe, 9/26 Panama City, FL - Teenager, 13, 9/26 Oroville, CA - Wanda Lawver, 34, 9/24 Oakhurst, CA - Laurie Garrison, 9/24 Sheboygan, WI - Tamra Bolle, 26, 9/24 Sequatchie, Co. TN - Curtis Brady, 29, 9/22 Omaha, NE - John Doe, 9/19 Chicago, IL - Trayshawn Toliver, 6, 9/19 San Antonio, TX - Denise Rocha, 41, 9/19 Racine, WI - Richard B. Anderson, 50, 9/19 Racine, WI - Citizen, 9/19 Racine, WI - Citizen, 9/16 Port Hurdon, MI - Student, 9/16 Port Hurdon, MI - Student, 9/16 Port Hurdon, MI - Student, 9/16 Port Hurdon, MI - Student, 9/15 Greenburgh, NY - Policeman, 9/15 Moses Lake, WA - Alex Medina, 6, 9/13 Shelton, WA - Michael Warner, 55, 9/13 Hasbrouck, NJ - Stella Torti, 82, 9/12 Las Vegas, NV - Cenedi Carey, 4m, 9/12 Las Vegas, NV - Senior Citizen, 9/12 Tucson, AZ - Andrew Diodati, 16, 9/12 Tucson, AZ - Jeff Dolph, 15, 9/11 Irondequoit, NY - Ann Guyette, 41, 9/10 Long Island, NY - Jerry Arenello, 57, 9/10 Farmingdale, NY - Jane Doe, 49, 9/09 Ville Platte, LA - Luna McDaniel, 83, 9/09 Canton, OH - Tayshawn Hamilton, 11, 9/09 Washington Co, TN - Senior Citizen, 9/09 Washington Co, TN - Child, 1, 9/08 SeaTac, WA - Huong Le, 71, 9/07 Boise, ID - Lonnie Holloway, 35, 9/07 Chicago, IL - Jaslin Sampre, 4, 9/07 San Antonio, TX - AC Officer, 9/07 San Antonio, TX - John Doe, 9/06 Wichita Falls, TX - Aurora Castro, 46, 9/06 Salt Lake, UT - Senior Citizen, 9/05 Palm Bay, FL - Roger Lindee, 41, 9/05 Palm Bay, FL - John Doe, 9/05 Albany, GA - Lieutenant Greg Elder, 9/04 Sioux City, IW - Teenager, 17, 9/03 Golden Gate, FL - Sharry Brewer, 59, 9/02 North Little Rock, AR - Jacob Ross, 9, 9/01 White Bluff, TN - Child, 2

Just 85 days for all that carnage.

Lets see chihuahuas do that.

i was replying to a post where he said they were chosen for fighting becuase of their intelligence and trainability. this is rubbish and is indisputable. they are chosen/bred for fighting for their agression, strength, bite, pain threshold. intelligence doesn't come into it, and isn't required for the people that use them for fighting. when i said they're not very intelligent i was talking relatively to the very intelligent breeds, and they're not intelligent compared to them, no terrier breed is.

i think you have if you think posting pictures and stats about apples , proves what oranges can't do

really if you think about it any dog over about 35 pounds or so is fairly capable of mauling if not killing a human.

one of the things i have learned about this breed over the years, and i think is a contributing factor to many bullies becoming aggressive, is that they absolutely CRAVE human contact. if they don't have good interaction with people combined with good exercise they get easily frustrated and bored. so when you have an owner that leaves the dog chained up in the backyard all day and night it really perverts their personalities.

these dogs take alot of care and attention to be happy. since they are so high energy you really need to exercise the fuck out of them, socialize them well with other dogs and people, and make sure you stick to consistent rule, boundaries, and limitations with them. hell i have already lost 15 pounds in the last month walking with her, and i tire out long before she does. :1orglaugh

and you know what i mean about gangsters and degenerates. i hate the stereotype anyone and i don't want to sound like a racist, but 99.9999% of the time the problem pits are owned by trash. be it white or black. the negative media coverage makes bully breeds seem like "outlaw" dogs, which makes them even more attractive to that demographic of people.

thankfully the humane society where i adopted isis has a very good adoption process for their bully breeds, even requiring a home visit if they have any questions about the potential owners. you also get free obedience/socialization classes.

like any high energy or working dog bully breeds require a strong commitment to make them truly happy, but if you put in that effort the unconditional love they return to you is truly amazing. in many ways she rescued me just as much as i rescued her. :)

My point about pitbulls in movies, tv shows and music videos being portrayed with people that want to appear tough, are playing gangsters, thugs and drug dealers encourage people that also want to look tough to get these kind of dogs when they have no real interest in being good owners.

Years ago you didn't see pitbulls portrayed in that manner.

The images portrayed by this media encourages the wrong kind of owners for this breed of dog.

There's some pits that are really violent, but everything depends of your treatment that you're giving to you dog, it's like in the vid, CONFINEMENT makes your dog more violent, doesn't matter if it's a pitt or another...

Generalize and more of the same. Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?¨

Give a high regarded source of this facts, you can make hannibal lector look good on paper.

:2 cents:

I believe if dogs arent around other dogs when they are young, they will more likely have some territory defense mechanism. My grandparents have a dog for moose hunting, that don't don't go very well around other female dogs. She's friendly to people and also to male dogs.

Actually I walked in to my inner city area today and were to step in to a shopping center with a pitt in a line by it self outside. Stood there for a second or two and a lady just came out and picked him up...

It was deja vu-gfy :upsidedow

every thing in nature has its own reason to be here, not every dog is here to be like a pupet, and dogs like pitbulls are here for cops/army purposes ... there they have to be, only trained for attacks and kills. do not try to make a pet from satan! and stfu if you are saying that those fucking agressive dogs are nice to have them at home ...

this is exactly the kind of uninformed (and poorly worded) propaganda that these dogs have to deal with.

if you read this thread at all, or researched this breed you would know they were bred to loyal, obedient and NON-aggressive towards humans. yes is many cases they were bred to fight OTHER DOGS, but even more so they were bred as working dogs and loyal companions.

these dogs were not bred for the police/army specifically although they have been used extensively in both of those areas. they were bred for farmers, ranchers, and families. the sad reality is that because of their physical prowess they have been trained for dog fighting, but as 12clicksmichele said human aggressive fighters were culled. a fighting dog is no good if it attacks its handler.

another reason they were used as fighting dogs aside from their physical attributes is their tendency to have an incredibly high prey drive. this contributes to them being dog aggressive, however with proper work and training a bully can be just as happy and social as any other dog.

Any video w/ a U2 song as the backdrop is a WIN!! A video w/ "Where the Streets Have No Name" is an EPIC WIN!! :banana

Got my tix the other day to see them Oct 9th here in Tampa! :bowdown :GFYBand

Thread related, my neighbor's pitbull is the most well behaved dog in the neighborhood. Then again, they are good, responsible dog owners - so it only makes sense.

My wife and I have been looking to adopt a puppy, and would love a pit, but given the homeowners insurance mess here in FL, it's nearly impossible (w/o lying).

the trouble is that ALL dogs are capable of snapping one day and attacking someone, regardless of the owner and upbringing. if that dog happens to be a pitbull, rottweiler etc then the damage it does is that much more significant.

Bump for the threads about abused children on GFY

Sad indeed seems no1 take it seriously

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You make a good point. Pitbulls were originally called Nanny dogs because they were so good around kids. I had a pit and she was great around kids. We were in a hotel once waiting for an elevator and out of no where a bunch of little kids saw her. One of them yelled doggie. There were six of them surrounding her, petting her and she just sat there. I would park my car, go to lunch and I can see from the window stupid people sticking their hands in the window to pet her.She loved the attention.
I now have a jack mix, I dont let him near kids. He almost attacked the uverse man.Things rub him the wrong way too quickly and he is a little dog with a big set of teeth. I adopted him at 6 so he is alittle broken.