Why I think the TUBE SITE pattern has no future - GoFuckYourself.com

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 10:43 AM

I take for example the case of PornHub, one of the biggest tubes, which also ranks on No. 1 spot in Google for the best tubes' keyword: porn.

Reason #1

PornHub does not display its own dating/cams affiliate banners, but rents that space to advertisers.

So the questions is: If you are satisfied with your affiliate earnings/profit in the first place, why sell that space?

The answer: Because you are not satisified with your affiliate earnings/profit.

And this answer is sustained by the idea that the guys coming to tubes are indeed young, males and singles, but there is one major key element: they are looking for PORN, not dating, nor cams. (and this leads me to reason #2)

Reason #2

PornHub launched the Premium Membership. (a while ago, that is)

So this means that even the highest targeted traffic tube site is turning from the TUBE SITE pattern to PAY SITE pattern.

So what do you think about this?

HorseShit · 03-22-2009, 10:47 AM

move on to a subject you know more about

MetaMan · 03-22-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

So the questions is: If you are satisfied with your affiliate earnings/profit in the first place, why sell that space?

The answer: Because you are not satisified with your affiliate earnings/profit.

ohhhhh so thats why TV has commercials it all makes sense now.

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 11:01 AM

Well, good luck with your tubes then.

Iron Fist · 03-22-2009, 11:05 AM

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ohhhhh so thats why TV has commercials it all makes sense now.

Yeah and your still paying to watch them too... isn't that awesome?

WarChild · 03-22-2009, 11:08 AM

Fortunately, you don't know shit.

Reak AGV · 03-22-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jdavis

move on to a subject you know more about

Looks double tasty... damn

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Fortunately, you don't know shit.

Then enlighten me, please.

WarChild · 03-22-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

Then enlighten me, please.

No thanks, that's not my job.

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

No thanks, that's not my job.

I didn't say it was. I was only asking for a friendly favour.

WarChild · 03-22-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

I didn't say it was. I was only asking for a friendly favour.

Alright, I'll give you a friendly hint. The primary revenue stream for large tube sites, in most cases, is not from pre-paid dating advertising. In fact, it's not from dating at all.

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Alright, I'll give you a friendly hint. The primary revenue stream for large tube sites, in most cases, is not from pre-paid dating advertising. In fact, it's not from dating at all.

Thanks.

And what is the primary revenue stream for large tube sites?

MetaMan · 03-22-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

Thanks.

And what is the primary revenue stream for large tube sites?

HorseShit · 03-22-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

wizzart · 03-22-2009, 11:59 AM

Tube sites and free porn will destroy internet adult biz, only big companies who make deal whit big tube sites will survive

Only webcams programs will increase their earnings.

that is only my 2 cents...

DarkJedi · 03-22-2009, 12:04 PM

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wizzart

Tube sites and free porn will destroy internet adult biz

You may have a point, but why did PornHub become a pay site, basically?

I think they were losing money with that big bandwidth consumption.

Juicy D. Links · 03-22-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Fortunately, you don't know shit.

he knows about hamburgers i think

Deej · 03-22-2009, 12:40 PM

Is this Jim's brother? Cousin?

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 12:45 PM

Damn! All you, guys, have a tube???

V_RocKs · 03-22-2009, 12:46 PM

I like hamburgers.

SBJ · 03-22-2009, 12:52 PM

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I like hamburgers.

I like cheeseburgers and the one above looks really tasty!

Socks · 03-22-2009, 12:56 PM

wjxxx · 03-22-2009, 01:16 PM

You made biz thread on GFY. Thats a no-no here. Post boobs/ass/pussy or GTFO

Barefootsies · 03-22-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jdavis

move on to a subject you know more about

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wjxxx

You made biz thread on GFY. Thats a no-no here. Post boobs/ass/pussy or GTFO

Alright, sorry...

Hazlewood · 03-22-2009, 01:29 PM

I dont think you know what you are talking about.

Libertine · 03-22-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

You may have a point, but why did PornHub become a pay site, basically?

Tough question. Why would a company want to increase profit margins. Hmm. Let me think.

...

Seriously, do you even need to ask why they create additional revenue sources?

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Seriously, do you even need to ask why they create additional revenue sources?

Indeed, but could this need of creating additional revenue sources mean that they weren't making any profit only from selling ad space?

And if the answer is YES, could this mean that the tube site pattern has no future?

Libertine · 03-22-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

Indeed, but could this need of creating additional revenue sources mean that they weren't making any profit only from selling ad space?

And if the answer is YES, could this mean that the tube site pattern has no future?

Think, man, think.

No matter how humongous your profits, more is always better. Even if you're making money, if you're smart, you'll be looking for ways to increase your revenue. Always.

Tube sites are here to stay. They'll also keep trying to find new ways of making money, regardless of whether they're making or losing money.

If they started to change the business model entirely, actually severely limiting the length of videos or seriously limiting the number of videos users could watch per day, then you'd know the model was failing. Although, even in that case, you'd have to see a large amount of them moving to such a model, not just a few - because if only a few did it, it would be just as likely that they were making money, but decided changing the model could be even more profitable.

sortie · 03-22-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

PornHub does not display its own dating/cams affiliate banners, but rents that space to advertisers.

Your point died a hard death right there.

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Even if you're making money, if you're smart, you'll be looking for ways to increase your revenue. Always.

You're right, but this doesn't mean they were making profit, does it?

Much more than this, I was desperate to find new ways to make money when I wasn't making any...

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Your point died a hard death right there.

On the contrary.

And I give you my example, when I bought for a month a banner on a highly targeted traffic website for $500, but I only made $150.

So this guy asked me $500 for a spot where he was making only $150, $200 top...

420 · 03-22-2009, 02:25 PM

I believe that is a double cheese burger from Mcdonald's dollar menu.

Libertine · 03-22-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

You're right, but this doesn't mean they were making profit, does it?

Much more than this, I was desperate to find new ways to make money when I wasn't making any...

It doesn't mean either. They could be making money by the bucketload, they could be losing money hand over fist. The fact that they offer premium access does not indicate either.

You have *zero* support for your assumption that the tube site model has no future. On the other hand, the rise of tons and tons of new tubes is very strong support for the exact opposite.

So, basically, stop hoping it goes away. Barring any unforeseen outside intervention (e.g. government regulation), the tube model is here to stay.

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

It doesn't mean either. They could be making money by the bucketload, they could be losing money hand over fist. The fact that they offer premium access does not indicate either.

You have *zero* support for your assumption that the tube site model has no future. On the other hand, the rise of tons and tons of new tubes is very strong support for the exact opposite.

So, basically, stop hoping it goes away. Barring any unforeseen outside intervention (e.g. government regulation), the tube model is here to stay.

Maybe so, I can't predict the future and I don't hope tubes will go away. On the contrary, maybe my thoughts were helpful somehow.

Perhaps tube owners may want to share if their tubes are worth it or not...

sortie · 03-22-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

On the contrary.

And I give you my example, when I bought for a month a banner on a highly targeted traffic website for $500, but I only made $150.

So this guy asked me $500 for a spot where he was making only $150, $200 top...

So your example proves that a fool is born every day and will pay them
$500 for a $200 spot and if no fools are born they still make $200.

And to you this means they are going to fail?

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

So your example proves that a fool is born every day and will pay them
$500 for a $200 spot and if no fools are born they still make $200.

And to you this means they are going to fail?

I didn't know I was going to make only $150; that's why I tried it.

They did make $200, but what if the band width is $300?

And maybe they already failed! (as a simple tube site, that is)

Serge Litehead · 03-22-2009, 03:20 PM

tubes will replace TV cables

Doctor Dre · 03-22-2009, 03:21 PM

Why then is 95 % of mainstream advertising revenue not based on sales numbers ?

Because marketing another product takes a lot of time and effort, and takes on learning the market.

Affiliate advertising is good, but when you get bigger, you get caught up in daily operations just to operate, and learning to sell to a new market is left to profetionals.

Ozarkz · 03-22-2009, 03:23 PM

tubes will replace affiliates.

tonyparra · 03-22-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jdavis

move on to a subject you know more about

Man, you just kill people with your Mcdonalds references...I wonder how your handling your position as district manager.

sortie · 03-22-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

I didn't know I was going to make only $150; that's why I tried it.

They did make $200, but what if the band width is $300?

And maybe they already failed! (as a simple tube site, that is)

I did know you were going to make only $150; that's why I didn't try it.

Also they buy bandwidth in such bulk that they pay only cents per gig.

PowerCum · 03-22-2009, 03:55 PM

Fortunately you have no idea about what are you talking, so its good.

And yes, tubes make lots of money. The fact that the galaxycash paysites are now happy and profitable tubes is not a coincidence

tonyparra · 03-22-2009, 04:01 PM

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Man, you just kill people with your Mcdonalds references...I wonder how your handling your position as district manager.

On second thought, its a cheeseburger, surrounded by fancy table clothe. I dont trust a sandwich that looks too perfect.

Snake Doctor · 03-22-2009, 04:58 PM

Based on this logic google is a failure because they have to sell space to advertisers rather than only advertise products with whom they have an affiliate relationship....and if google ever decides to sell a value added service (i.e. premium) then that mean that their advertising model is a wretched failure also.

PSD CSS XHTML · 03-22-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

On the contrary.

And I give you my example, when I bought for a month a banner on a highly targeted traffic website for $500, but I only made $150.

So this guy asked me $500 for a spot where he was making only $150, $200 top...

Maybe your product (website) sucked. Just because you made 150 with the spot, doesn't mean someone else can't triple that.

Stop trying to rationalize your original post and listen to some of the sound advice you're getting in this thread.

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Based on this logic google is a failure because they have to sell space to advertisers rather than only advertise products with whom they have an affiliate relationship....and if google ever decides to sell a value added service (i.e. premium) then that mean that their advertising model is a wretched failure also.

Google's selling ad space is different that PornHub's selling ad space. I mean Google only displays some more links and gets the money when someone clicks on them.

So it can't based on the same logic.

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

I did know you were going to make only $150.

Damn, so you're the one who can guess the lucky numbers...I've looking for you all my life!!

frankie_gunn · 03-22-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerCum

Fortunately you have no idea about what are you talking, so its good.

And yes, tubes make lots of money.

Do you have a tube site?

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frankie_gunn Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 270	Why I think the TUBE SITE pattern has no future I take for example the case of PornHub, one of the biggest tubes, which also ranks on No. 1 spot in Google for the best tubes' keyword: porn. Reason #1 PornHub does not display its own dating/cams affiliate banners, but rents that space to advertisers. So the questions is: If you are satisfied with your affiliate earnings/profit in the first place, why sell that space? The answer: Because you are not satisified with your affiliate earnings/profit. And this answer is sustained by the idea that the guys coming to tubes are indeed young, males and singles, but there is one major key element: they are looking for PORN, not dating, nor cams. (and this leads me to reason #2) Reason #2 PornHub launched the Premium Membership. (a while ago, that is) So this means that even the highest targeted traffic tube site is turning from the TUBE SITE pattern to PAY SITE pattern. So what do you think about this?

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