Of course, all is fair in love, war, and football.

Who do you fancy from the last 8....?

I am leaning toward LFC, Man U and Barcelona.

Little boy i don't need wiki answers, i watch AC Milan since 1980 so i know one or two things about our trophies.

We have been battling with Boca juniors ( from Buenos Aires Argentina, in case you want to know) from years now so i don't need any website to tell what they won and what we won.

We can go back and forth for years about who is the best and who is not, like you say the FACTS are the only import thing here.

FACTS say the ManU is a powerhouse as much as AC Milan, truth is that AC Milan has 7 champions League and ManU 3.

Truth is that Last Time ManU lost in Champions League was against AC Milan ( 3-0).

I believe that but i am not sure that last time ManU lost a CL at Old Trafford was against AC Milan ( 0-1 Crespo)

You like Ronaldo? well i don't and i can tell you why: he doesn't make the differece in the team, Rooney does, the great Ryan Gigs does. Rolando is a sissy primadonna who likes to pass the ball with his hill when it's not necessary.

Kaka' , Messi, Totti, Gerard,Pato,Buffon these are world class player.

Anyway i am done.

Have a good weekend.

Don't forget:
Roma 3 times
Lazio 2 times
Napoli 2 times

OK you won the GFY battle little boy, make a screenshot and hang it on the wall .

here is my WIKI answer for you:

I think only Barcelona can stop one of the British teams.

I say that one between ManU, Liverpool and Barcelona will be in the final. Arsenal and Chelsea won't make it.

Picking up on Ross' post, whilst Maldini is a Milan (and football) legend, I reckon their greatest defender was Franco Baresi. That guy was incredible, and the bedrock that Milan brought the likes of Maldini and Costacurta through on.

Alas Moxx, in recent years I dont think Serie A compares to the Premier League in terms of quality or success. I reckon that if you asked 100 people here to pick an Italian game or a Premiership game to watch, 90% would go for the Premiership.

The English national team does have its problems and in reality they start at grass roots level. However nowadays kids are being encouraged to be comfortable with the football rather than just wanting to "lump it" up the pitch. When will we see the benefits? Who knows, maybe in 20 years time. But there are steps being taken to ensure we create a new generation of footballers who can play football "the right way" (like Spain showed us recently). Personally I think bringing in Cappello was a great move as he will instill discipline, desire and pride into the national team.

Kevin Kegan #7 was my hero then he went to play for Hamburg and that silly ass of Kenny Dalglish took his place, i was 9 and sooooo pissed that i changed team and supported Wrexham.
I don't know why im saying this, i guess im still pissed about Notingham Forest beating Liverpool in the first turn of the European cup back in 78. Brian Clough was a prick.

My first game at the stadium was Wales Scotland at Wrexham, i went with my brother and his mates, i hid in the corner at the top left of the stands behind the goal, while my brother and another 500 sheep shaggers beat up a bunch of drunk Scots that entered the wrong stands. Wales lost but i didnt see the goal, all i seen was beat up fans angry pigs and flying fists.

When England got kicked out of the 82 world cup in Spain i was pissed, i wanted a final England - Italy, but still Rossi, Cabrini, Conti, Scirea, Tardelli and company went ahead and kicked Germanys ass 3-1.

I did go to Montecarlo in 1999 to see Lazio beat Manchester United in the Uefa super cup final, it was fun cos i could count on my fingers the amount of Man U fans there. Salas scored a great goal and we beat the champions of Europe.

Capello is the right man for England, cos hes Italian and he wont take shit from anyone. Hes the most decorated coach in the past 10 years if im not wrong, winning a lot with Milan, Roma and R. Madrid. Still i think Ramsey is rolling over, by the way who remembers Gordon Banks and Bobby Moore the 1966 hero's and to think that was the only official trophy England has every won.

whatever.

Great post Lee! I agree with you.

Thanks for bringing up my childhood hero and idol Franco Baresi.

I think though that Maldini is a way more complete player ( a right footer that made his Career play of the left wing!).

Baresi had the guts of a Bull and he was hard as a rock, i think that at least in one occasion he deserved the golden ball...only if Van Basten was not around....

Wasn't it Keegan that score against Juve in the 1980 final? I was 4

Didn't Milan win in 2007...?

The last three winners have been Barcelona, Milan, and Man U -- that is hardly English European domination.

Since 2000;

2000 -- Real
2001 -- Bayern Munich
2002 - Real
2003 -- Milan
2004 -- Porto
2005 - LFC
2006 -- Barcelona
2007 -- Milan
2008 -- Man U

The sad fact is that English football has only improved with the addition of non English management, and non English talent.

Arguably Arsenal best game ever was in the 2006 final, and they only had two English players (Cole and Campbell -- both defenders).

LFC's win in the 2005 final only featured 2 English players.

The Man U / Chelsea 2008 final only had a combined 10 English players of of the total 36 players in both squads.

Haven't read the thread, however for me the Spanish league is the best in the world.

Almost every game i watch has lots of action, great goals, and just brillant play. Even from the so called smaller teams in the league.

I like the English and Italian leagues, but quite often you see games in those leagues which are shit. The Spanish league very rarely has games like that... :2 cents:

I agree, I was in Barcelona in October and went to a match. Unfucking real, Barcleona won 6-1. All great goals!

I love the Spanish league too, however would you agree that the referees often cock it up? Its almost as if they think 80,000 fans have paid to see them.

Compared to the referees we have here, they actually don't seem "too" bad. Although they do make some high profile mistakes though...

Speak for yourself.

Gay little italian faggot.

Serie A is shit!

Let's point this out for FACTS:

1. in the last 10 years 2 english teams MUFC with 2 CL title and LFC with 1, thats 3(just to make it clear because your obviously an idiot) and only 2 for italy both for AC Milan.

2. There are 4! teams from the PL left in the CL same as there was last year.

3. Last season CL final was an ALL english final with Chealsea and Manchester UTD. and Liverpool were also in the Semis along with only one non-english team (barca)

4. The Premiership Gains more Revenue per year than any other domestic league in Europe.

5. The most succesful team in the days of the Champions League is Real Madrid

6. Steven Gerrard an English Player from the Premier League is the current Top goal scorer in the CL this Season.

I can keep going all day long giving you reasons why the Serie A is rubbish and the PL is the best League in the world today

True just today. Tomorrow? will see.

Go back to class the bell is ringing...

Go back to bed your Boyfriend is waiting

Oh yeah this might have had something to do with it:

Due to football hooliganism in 1985 English clubs were banned from the champions league for 5 years, and Liverpool was banned for a further 2 years.

:1orglaugh

you talking to yourself now?

Fuck off Faggot, and get back to your boy friend. :thumbsup

Is that true that you have a poster of a naked Justin Fashanu , the only footballer who dared to come out of the closet?

Was it your closet?

I didn't even know that, funny how you did! is he your boyfriend or something?

you didn't know cause you don't know shit about football and premiere league, probably in 1990 when i was in Wien watching AC Milan win its 4th Champions League you were probably playing with the Barbie.

I'm getting worried about your bringing up all these homosexual references!

Stop trying to hit on me you spindly legged rotten grease ball.

You do not know FUCK ALL about football. good luck next year when all 4 italian teams get knocked out YET AGAIN! becuase they are fucking terrible.

here is a picture of the serie a, it's teams, and it's players

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/35/72...9c6c001fd5.jpg

you must have a big house to keep that thing in the living room.

Fabio Capellos view on the premiership vs serie a.

Capello told Rai: ?There is a huge difference in terms of mentality and they [Premier League teams] are also more used to physical and intense football.

?Our [Italian] teams lack something compared to the English ones and when Milan beat Manchester [United, in 2007], it was because they had quality players.

?We have to improve on that aspect if we want to be back at the highest level in Europe.

?The rhythm is more fluid and quick in British football. Italian teams are too much about nine defenders and a striker left on his own to try to score goals.?

Pretty much sums it up, serie a teams defend, defend, defend which is why they are so boring to watch. He also makes a good point about Ac Milan, in 2007 they did have good players and were still a great squad, but years on they have an extremely old squad and ex-great players who just cant cut it anymore. The way Arsenal ripped apart this team of grandads showed how immobile they are.

Your right they arent owned by the arabs... they are arabs!

Dude you are like a broken 7" single

You keep coming back to the World/Euro cups. The Premier Leage is the best league in the world because its made up of players from many different nations (althought not too many Italians I might add) Thats what makes it amazing. No one ever said its so good because of the English players. Who is the best player in Serie A? Kaka of course.. note he is Brazillian. Im willing to bet Kaka will leave Milan in the next 2 years too. Maybe not to England or maybe he will. He won't stick around in Milan.

There's a reason the big players don't go to Italy until they are closer to the end of their careers nowadays. 10 years ago Serie A was amazing. Its stuck in the 90's. Too much defending and diving. The premier league moved on, invested on its image and teams benfited from it. Theres a reason all the rich men in the world are buying teams such as Aston Villa, Chelsea, West Ham, Manchester City etc etc.

Not to mention the match fixing scandal which almost brought down Italian football. Its a total farce, its more about politics and cheating than it is about results on the park.

You can argue with me all day, I'm willing to bet I know more about football than you ever will. I live and breathe the sport since I was 6 years old. There's also tons of good points in this thread as to why you are wrong.

The National team is not an expression on the quality of the league. If that was correct then the Brazillian and Argentinian Leagues should be the best in the world.

Great shout there, Baresi was immense. Credit were its due.

You are saying you know everything about football because....you've seen a few big games LIVE?

okaay. :helpme

(No not saying you don't know, but your refrence too your live events, aint a good example, aint rational, and will not hold up in court. If this were a criminal case.)):upsidedow

from 1980 until now...it's definitely few games.

The strange thing is though, to me he always looked like the guy who would turn up to paint your house rather than one of the greatest defenders ever, the man was a lionheart though.

I read this interview as well and i am not surprised.

Capello is a smart corporate man: he says what's convenient for him and when it's convenient for him.

I heard him saying that AC Milan was the greatest franchise in the world when he was the coach, then all of a sudden he moved to Madrid and said the same thing, then Juvetus.

Plus his AC Mialn that won Chapions League and league in 1994 wasn;t really very offeinsve.

4 defender and Desailly inf front of them:

Tassotti Costacurta Baresi Maldini

Desailly



he can be proven wrong very esealy, pretty much all the Seria A teams play with 3 or 2 and 1/2 strikers.

Only yesterday:

Inter : Ibrahimovic-Balotelli with Stankovic right behind
Milan: Inzagi-Pato with Beckham right behind ( otherwise Kaka and Ronaldhino when they are not injured)
Juvetus: Del Piero-Iaquinta-Giovinco
Fiorentina: Gilardino-Mutu and Melo right behind


Lazio and Udinese in many occasion play with 3 pure strikers in the front line and this is why they have had problems:

udinese: Di Natale, Pepe and Quagiarella ( 3 Italian Internationals)
Lazio: Rocchi-Zarate and Pandev....altough Rossi plyed only with the last two recently and had Rocchi come in later.

AC Milan is not a young team i agree but if all these players are fit and most of all can play all together it's still the best team in Europe.

Ancelotti is one of the best coaches in the world and he is not a defensive tachtician for sure, actually totally the opposite. AC Milan has the most goal in serie A.

Furthermore if our old farts like Inzaghi ( 35 yo) scores 5 goals in two games....frankly i would keep him on the field as much as i can.

Maldini at 40 yo can teach every single EPL defender how to play. But yes his time has come , this is the last year.


Old squad? Pato is 20 yo, Darmian 21 , Flamini is 24, Antonini 26, Boriello 24,Senderos 23,Bonera 28.

All these guys have played on a regular basis.

I agree with you we DO need to "refresh" the team

True Lionhearted on the fields, shy and troublesome man off the field. lost everything due his wife illegal gambling. sad story.

I'd like to understand how can you bet than you know more football than me , i am not saying i know them all but i do have my ideas... but this is another story.


As many here and as pretty much everybody else you say the the EPL is th best league in the world... OK.. i disagree.

I understand that after 100+ years of mediocre football played in the Uk now you see some foreigners passing able with the heel so you get all excited.

The truth is that the only thing in EPL favor is that it's considered " faster game"..well great but who cares if 3/4 of the players can't stop the ball or 3/4 of the teams can't make more than 5/6 passes in a row?

Most of the goalkeepers are a joke.

Now i do think that the EPL and the FA can teach Italian officials how to make money ( allowing teams to build their own stadiums), how to deal with violent fans and how to deal with players that are not respectful of the game and fans. yes that fo sure.

As far as quality of the plays, tactics, differentiation of type of line ups and yes even players i think the Seria A had not to envy to EPL.

Again Money is always right and the EPL makes lots money and it's a better environment for the fans hence a better league for most.

The match scandal was empathized more than what really was, to those days there are only wire tapping and not real proof of money exchange.

In span and Germany referees were paid under the table but the respective Football associations kept it covered so nobody called the scandal.

In Italy KAKA is not the best player, in one of the best:

Totti ( when healthy), Del Piero,Giovinco, De Rossi, Pirlo, Di Natale, Mascara, Miccoli, Acquilani, Pazzini, Cassano, Buffon, Abbiati,Santon...


man i can continue the list.


Yes i agree with you when you say that the FA invested and changed the face of the EPL, i wish they did that in Italy. Team are not allowed to own the stadium and this is a big drawback.

Players go to EPL just for money, they are professionals so they do thier job.We all would do this.

Luckily there are players like Kaka' which i can BET you that he wont live us simply because his goal is to be the next captain of AC Milan. This will happen.


I am not sure you knowledge of international footbal nut i don't think you watch many International leagues.

The Brazilian league is terrible, slow, slow and slow they keep the grass tall on purpose and also to facilitate the control of the ball.

The Argentinian league is way better and definitely betwtr than most European league.

To sum this up i suggest you to read " the Italian JOB" written bu GianLuca Vialli the former Chelsea Striker where he interviews Many FA officials, coaches and referee.

You'll be surprise reading comments by how the FA "studies" the Seria A in many ways,FA
officials take weekly trips to Coverciano, the Italian Federal Football Academy,where they learn how to organize "courses" for EPL Coachs.


The Referee department visit with regularity Collina ( head of the Italian referee) to learn training techniques.


Maybe you can read the part where the most of the EPL are interviewed , maybe you should read what they say about the Serie A and how the "study" the games.



Beside the different opinions we have this is a good book if you like football:

The Italian Job

fucking awesome :D

Still talking shit are you?

Ok then.

Serie A does not have the World Class Players the EPL has. Kaka is the best player in the league and it is really hard to think of anyone else anywhere near as good as him in Serie A.

The EPL has far more World Class players, including:

Ronaldo, Rooney, Gerrard, Fabregas, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Gary Neville, Torres, Deco, Drogba, Ballack, Berbatov, Giggs, Vidic, Cech, Van der Sar, Balletti, Evra, Scholes,

Many more i've missed off!

This is also bullshit:
Milan: Inzagi-Pato with Beckham right behind ( otherwise Kaka and Ronaldhino when they are not injured)

David Beckham is NOT a striker! he's a midfielder.

Manchester untited on Saturday against LFC played with 4 forwards(3 strikers):

Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, and Berbatov (all world class players).

The Serie A is slow, defensive, boring and the matches are terrible to watch.

The french league, La Liga and the EPL are all far more entertaining to watch.

You saying about that book 'the italin job'

Written by Vialli, When was it published? i'm willing to bet longer than 5 years ago.

Also the Scandal in Serie A was terrible and shows how fixed and corrupt the league is.

I would rather watch PSG vs Marseille (which I did yesterday) and enjoy the match flowing from end to end instead of 8 defenders passing the ball about in there own half before even thinking of attacking.

All the english sides play very attacking football and it's excellent to watch.

The EPL also is the most watched league in the world and has more fans and viewers than any other league in the world.

Channel 4 in the UK used to have football italia on a sunday and it was canceled and removed because the amount of viewers was low and dropping because viewers found the games boring, slow and not entertaining.

Also going back to the champions League there has been An english team in the final for 5 years in a row. this will probably 6 this year.

You can rave all you want about referees, referees do not make matches interesting, exciting or of a higher quality they merely inforce those who play in the matches.

The EPL and La Liga are far more superior in quality than the Serie A.

The Italian Football team in training

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ccDyp2aRRCg