Hull BEAT arsenal at the emirates. Why does serie a have the lowest viewing figures of premier league and la liga? Nobody wants to watch that boring shit you call football.

How many teams have won the serie a over the last few years? If "anybody can win"? And who knows if the winning team even deserved it with all the match fixing and corruption in the league.

And why do you mention Ac Milan? Of course the shit teams will beat them they didnt even qualify for the champions league :1orglaugh How about that thrashing arsenal gave them in the CL last year, they looked like a bunch of old dogs, has beens...

Wow Hull beat Arsenal ..how frequently does it happen, once every 45 years?

In the last 16 years only 4 teams won the EPL : ManU, Blackburn, Arsenal and Chelsea

In the Last 16 years 5 teams won the Serie A : Lazio, Roma , Milan ,Juventus and Inter and if you add 3 more years to that you can add Napoli and Sampdoria.


When you talk about AC Milan you simply loose, it's the most victorious team in football history. This is a fact:

http://www.mo76.com/MO/ACM.jpg

Don't confuse this super teams.

Chelsea vs. Ipswitch(div 1) - 2 - 1

In the end of january.

MOxxx is blind to the skill, pace and excitement of the Premier League. The facts speak for themselves - look at what the English clubs have done in Europe this season. Destroyed them.

It certainly wasn`t the case several years ago but in recent years, the English top flight is proven far and away the strongest league in the world. If you refuse to believe all the people here, just read what the experts in the footballing media report.

"When you talk about AC Milan you simply loose, it's the most victorious team in football history. This is a fact:
"
No i dont, Ac Milan are SHIT now. I dont care about your history, Britain USED to rule the world but that doesnt count for shit any more.

Heres a fact for you, over the past 3 years Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool have all been in a champions league final. How about Italian clubs? Of course you can dig up some HISTORY but we are debating why the EPL is the best league NOW.

Manchester united lost 2 times! to west ham last year.
They also had a massive match against hull which ended 4-3 this year and hull were only promoted this season
Arsenal lost 2-1 against hull on the 27th of september. they have also drawn against stoke this season who also just been promoted to the PL this season.

You don't know fuck all! about football mate.

And i've just proven that point above.

Serie A is slowwww and boring your teams are shit and so is the league in general!

The Premier League is Fast paced and the players in the premier league are world class.

Hence the reason for 2 season in a row there is 4 english teams in the 1/4 finals of the champions league.

Now fuck off, and shut the fuck up before I own your pathetic knowledge of football even more :thumbsup

How sad and humiliating it must be for the England national team to be coached by an Italian, it just shows you cant do shit for your self (tehehe)
Liverpool owned by the Americans, Arsenal by the Arabs and city by the Thais.... Blaaaah!

Notice how hull were only promoted this season aswell and they have had some excellent matches against the BIG 4.

and AC milan are NOT the most dominating in europe, Real Madrid are and they lost 4-0 against liverpool so, again,

YOU FAIL and so does the Serie A

Oh yeah because the USA are a really fucking good national team ain't they? NOT!

Also the russian nation side was coached by a dutch coach,
a portugese manager was the coach of brazil when they won the world cup,

Who cares where the coach is from?

Where has all that British pride gone??
I bet you that Alfred Ramsey is turning over in his coffin!!

Well steve mclaren fucked up, so did venables (but he didn't get given much chance) hoddle was a shit coach.

Sven was also shit. Capello is a good move for england and there were obviously calls for the manager to be english when mclaren became boss and he fucked it up.

If cappello does a good job it doesn't matter. the english players need a manager that can bring the team together.

hmmm one of the final, in 2007 to be precise was won by AC Milan, as well as the club world cup and the uefa supercup in that year. Thank you.

OK 3 episodes in what 2 years, maybe 3 ?

Football is a cycle you baby boy , you probably too young to know about football, Italian teams were in the 1/4 finals for 3 years so what?

You can say whatever you want but the EPL has the most embarrassing defense lines in Football , anyone can score.

Teams play always the same boring 4-4-2 like if we were in the 90's.

Goalkeepers are a joke, take off Chech and Reina occasionally Van der sar ( all foreigners) and everyboy elses is a disaster.

Refs are the worst in Europe (UEFA ranking).

World Class Player? You can mention probably Gerard,Rooney, Drogba,Fabregas who else?

Don't mention Ronaldo because when he plays away from Old Trafford he doesn't catch a ball. Euro 2008 docet.

Now YES it's a fats pace league, it's always been very athletic.

Now when the Money Bubble will pop, EPL well go back to be the same medieval league which is the mirror of the national team.

Funny.

Inter, Italian champs for the past 3 years plays many of its games in Serie A WITHOUT AN ITALIAN STARTING MEMBER. They are all foreign (Brazilians, Portuguese, Argentines etc etc...), heck, even the Coach is Portuguese.

I'd say before you say anything against the Premier League, you should check your own.

True we are not in Europe...we are in the world little boy:

Milan and Boca share 18 officially recognized international titles (most in the world).

AC Milan have 7 UEFA Champions League Titles, 5 UEFA Super Cups, 2 UEFA Cups, 3 Intercontinental Cups and 1 FIFA Club World Cup. So that is 14 Titles in Europe, and 4 Titles Internationally.

Check who has the most appearances in the CL finals in the last 20 years...guess what AC Milan is. 8 times.

We sucked this season due to too many injured key players but next year we will be back once again don't you worry little boy.

:1orglaugh

Serie A Champions

Juventus 27 times
Milan 17 times
Inter 16 times


Everyone else, bunch of unknows under 7 like Roma at 3, Lazio at 2. Are you kidding? :1orglaugh

It's the same 3 freakin' teams in Serie A :helpme

Inter is a case apart, they have always been a joke and the second team of Milan. One team out of 18 doesn't constitute any relevant data.

Again since you all are so fond for the EPL which i presume is a league where Englishmen play as well tell me why the English national team doesn't get anywhere since the Baby final in Italy 1990?

If the EPL is so dominating and rich with world class players including the British... where was England in the 2006 world cup? and 2002? and 1998? about 1994?

next time you google stuff do it right:

Genoa 9 times
Bologna 7 times
Pro vercelli 7 times
Torino 7 times
Fiorentina 2 times

I :helpme you to do a better search.

Funny you say they are the 2nd team of Milan, however, they've been in Serie A longer so that would make Milan, the 2nd team :1orglaugh

My dad was from Bologna, but before I left England for the US I was taking him to Stamford Bridge every other week and he loved it.

Whoever said the EPL is number 1 and La Liga is number 2, is spot on. Serie A has declined in the last few years (remember the scandal in 2006?).

Genoa last time they won, 1924 :1orglaugh
Bologna last time they won, 1964 :1orglaugh
Torino last time they won, 1976 :1orglaugh

So in the history of Serie A, the TOP SIX teams, the bottom 3 that you so graciously posted have NOT WON ANYTHING since 1976, 33 years ago :1orglaugh


The top 20 clubs as of 2007-08 UEFA competitions are as follows:

Rank Club Country 2003-04 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 Coefficient
1 Chelsea England 22.7125 25.1385 17.7610 28.4860 30.8985 124.996
2 Milan Italy 16.9285 31.6200 26.0675 27.9360 17.3825 119.934
3 Liverpool England 14.7125 30.1385 17.7610 29.4860 26.8985 118.996
4 Barcelona Spain 16.7230 17.1040 34.1620 20.2700 29.5785 117.837
5 Arsenal England 17.7125 19.1385 31.7610 18.4860 23.8985 110.996
6 Manchester United England 15.7125 17.1385 12.7610 27.4860 34.8985 107.996
7 Sevilla Spain 4.7230 16.1040 30.1620 31.2700 20.5785 102.837
8 Lyon France 18.4550 23.7710 24.5680 18.3000 14.2860 99.380
9 Internazionale Italy 15.9285 22.6200 24.0675 16.9360 17.3825 96.934
10 Real Madrid Spain 21.7230 18.1040 17.1620 20.2700 16.5785 93.837
11 Bayern Munich Germany 10.5555 19.4885 17.4440 20.1350 24.4550 92.078
12 PSV Eindhoven Netherlands 17.7875 24.9600 13.5025 17.7105 17.6500 91.610
13 Villarreal Spain 20.7230 22.1040 24.1620 6.2700 17.5785 90.837
14 Newcastle United England 24.7125 27.1385 4.7610 22.4860 5.8985 84.996
15 Valencia Spain 29.7230 14.1040 5.1620 23.2700 11.5785 83.837
16 Roma Italy 12.9285 8.6200 19.0675 20.9360 20.3825 81.934
17 Porto Portugal 26.3825 13.6950 8.8150 15.6675 16.6160 81.176
18 Benfica Portugal 13.3825 13.6950 17.8150 18.6675 13.6160 77.176
19 Werder Bremen Germany 1.5555 16.4885 14.4440 24.1350 17.4550 74.078
20 AZ Netherlands 1.7875 27.9600 13.5025 18.7105 7.6500 69.610

Out of the TOP 6 clubs, FOUR are English. :thumbsup

Premier League > Serie A

He was special,that matters

You talk about pride yet you are an Italian living in America. And Arsenal are not owned by Arabs.

And that counters the fact 4 Engish teams have been in the CL final over the past 3 years? No it doesnt, so wtf is your point? You just dont get it, the fact English teams have dominated the CL over recent years shows the strength of the league. You can only name one Italian team in the CL final over the past 3 years. 4 vs 1, do you see where this is going?

:1orglaugh

When was the last time AC milan won the league, the cup and the champions league in the same season, then, went on to win the intercontinental club world cup the following season?

Oh thats right they have never done it! manchester united have in 1999.

Manchester united last season also won the premier league, the champions league, and again another FIFA club world cup!

You are again mentioning the last 20 years. the last 3 years england have dominated Europe and will continue to do so.

Manchester winners in '08. liverpool in '05 plus another final, arsenal and chelsea have also made it to the final in the last 10 years.

How can you say don't mention Ronaldo? He came to england when he was young, Ferguson has trained him and made him the player he is today THE BEST IN THE WORLD! 2 years in a row.

I also notice how you take all your material from wiki answers. that means you have to actually look up your evidence? :1orglaugh what a joke.

And you can call me a little boy all you want. your a tiny little spick faggot and doesn't know shit about football. :1orglaugh

Hey -- come on, it's only a game. Don't be a bad loser :thumbsup

Saturday, 27 September 2008
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Arsenal 1-2 Hull

I know i know Tim, i actually love this.

I haven;t had a good football talk in a while, heck i live in Atlanta,Ga who can i talk with about Champions League here?

When it comes down to Football calling each other names and stuff it's all cool. i hope the other take it the same way.


:thumbsup

Excactly :thumbsup

P.S. Serie A is still shit :thumbsup

yuck yuck yuck, you used that one last time. Still dont change the fact that Italians are diving fuck wads. Lucky fucks

Summary:

1. Serie A is boring
2. No italian teams left in the champions league because they are shit
3. you don't know fuck all about football
4. An english team is going to win it again this season if not Barca.
5. you've obviously lost touch with football living in Atlanta, you should go watch the braves play baseball.
6. your thread backfired and you now look like an idiot
7. you can respond to this message later with more wikianswers but we will own your pathetic knowledge of football yet again.

Of course, all is fair in love, war, and football.

Who do you fancy from the last 8....?

I am leaning toward LFC, Man U and Barcelona.

Little boy i don't need wiki answers, i watch AC Milan since 1980 so i know one or two things about our trophies.

We have been battling with Boca juniors ( from Buenos Aires Argentina, in case you want to know) from years now so i don't need any website to tell what they won and what we won.

We can go back and forth for years about who is the best and who is not, like you say the FACTS are the only import thing here.

FACTS say the ManU is a powerhouse as much as AC Milan, truth is that AC Milan has 7 champions League and ManU 3.

Truth is that Last Time ManU lost in Champions League was against AC Milan ( 3-0).

I believe that but i am not sure that last time ManU lost a CL at Old Trafford was against AC Milan ( 0-1 Crespo)

You like Ronaldo? well i don't and i can tell you why: he doesn't make the differece in the team, Rooney does, the great Ryan Gigs does. Rolando is a sissy primadonna who likes to pass the ball with his hill when it's not necessary.

Kaka' , Messi, Totti, Gerard,Pato,Buffon these are world class player.

Anyway i am done.

Have a good weekend.

Don't forget:
Roma 3 times
Lazio 2 times
Napoli 2 times

OK you won the GFY battle little boy, make a screenshot and hang it on the wall .

here is my WIKI answer for you:

I think only Barcelona can stop one of the British teams.

I say that one between ManU, Liverpool and Barcelona will be in the final. Arsenal and Chelsea won't make it.

Picking up on Ross' post, whilst Maldini is a Milan (and football) legend, I reckon their greatest defender was Franco Baresi. That guy was incredible, and the bedrock that Milan brought the likes of Maldini and Costacurta through on.

Alas Moxx, in recent years I dont think Serie A compares to the Premier League in terms of quality or success. I reckon that if you asked 100 people here to pick an Italian game or a Premiership game to watch, 90% would go for the Premiership.

The English national team does have its problems and in reality they start at grass roots level. However nowadays kids are being encouraged to be comfortable with the football rather than just wanting to "lump it" up the pitch. When will we see the benefits? Who knows, maybe in 20 years time. But there are steps being taken to ensure we create a new generation of footballers who can play football "the right way" (like Spain showed us recently). Personally I think bringing in Cappello was a great move as he will instill discipline, desire and pride into the national team.

Kevin Kegan #7 was my hero then he went to play for Hamburg and that silly ass of Kenny Dalglish took his place, i was 9 and sooooo pissed that i changed team and supported Wrexham.
I don't know why im saying this, i guess im still pissed about Notingham Forest beating Liverpool in the first turn of the European cup back in 78. Brian Clough was a prick.

My first game at the stadium was Wales Scotland at Wrexham, i went with my brother and his mates, i hid in the corner at the top left of the stands behind the goal, while my brother and another 500 sheep shaggers beat up a bunch of drunk Scots that entered the wrong stands. Wales lost but i didnt see the goal, all i seen was beat up fans angry pigs and flying fists.

When England got kicked out of the 82 world cup in Spain i was pissed, i wanted a final England - Italy, but still Rossi, Cabrini, Conti, Scirea, Tardelli and company went ahead and kicked Germanys ass 3-1.

I did go to Montecarlo in 1999 to see Lazio beat Manchester United in the Uefa super cup final, it was fun cos i could count on my fingers the amount of Man U fans there. Salas scored a great goal and we beat the champions of Europe.

Capello is the right man for England, cos hes Italian and he wont take shit from anyone. Hes the most decorated coach in the past 10 years if im not wrong, winning a lot with Milan, Roma and R. Madrid. Still i think Ramsey is rolling over, by the way who remembers Gordon Banks and Bobby Moore the 1966 hero's and to think that was the only official trophy England has every won.

whatever.

Great post Lee! I agree with you.

Thanks for bringing up my childhood hero and idol Franco Baresi.

I think though that Maldini is a way more complete player ( a right footer that made his Career play of the left wing!).

Baresi had the guts of a Bull and he was hard as a rock, i think that at least in one occasion he deserved the golden ball...only if Van Basten was not around....

Wasn't it Keegan that score against Juve in the 1980 final? I was 4

Didn't Milan win in 2007...?

The last three winners have been Barcelona, Milan, and Man U -- that is hardly English European domination.

Since 2000;

2000 -- Real
2001 -- Bayern Munich
2002 - Real
2003 -- Milan
2004 -- Porto
2005 - LFC
2006 -- Barcelona
2007 -- Milan
2008 -- Man U

The sad fact is that English football has only improved with the addition of non English management, and non English talent.

Arguably Arsenal best game ever was in the 2006 final, and they only had two English players (Cole and Campbell -- both defenders).

LFC's win in the 2005 final only featured 2 English players.

The Man U / Chelsea 2008 final only had a combined 10 English players of of the total 36 players in both squads.

Haven't read the thread, however for me the Spanish league is the best in the world.

Almost every game i watch has lots of action, great goals, and just brillant play. Even from the so called smaller teams in the league.

I like the English and Italian leagues, but quite often you see games in those leagues which are shit. The Spanish league very rarely has games like that... :2 cents:

I agree, I was in Barcelona in October and went to a match. Unfucking real, Barcleona won 6-1. All great goals!

I love the Spanish league too, however would you agree that the referees often cock it up? Its almost as if they think 80,000 fans have paid to see them.

Compared to the referees we have here, they actually don't seem "too" bad. Although they do make some high profile mistakes though...

Speak for yourself.

Gay little italian faggot.

Serie A is shit!

Let's point this out for FACTS:

1. in the last 10 years 2 english teams MUFC with 2 CL title and LFC with 1, thats 3(just to make it clear because your obviously an idiot) and only 2 for italy both for AC Milan.

2. There are 4! teams from the PL left in the CL same as there was last year.

3. Last season CL final was an ALL english final with Chealsea and Manchester UTD. and Liverpool were also in the Semis along with only one non-english team (barca)

4. The Premiership Gains more Revenue per year than any other domestic league in Europe.

5. The most succesful team in the days of the Champions League is Real Madrid

6. Steven Gerrard an English Player from the Premier League is the current Top goal scorer in the CL this Season.

I can keep going all day long giving you reasons why the Serie A is rubbish and the PL is the best League in the world today

True just today. Tomorrow? will see.

Go back to class the bell is ringing...

Go back to bed your Boyfriend is waiting

Oh yeah this might have had something to do with it:

Due to football hooliganism in 1985 English clubs were banned from the champions league for 5 years, and Liverpool was banned for a further 2 years.

:1orglaugh

you talking to yourself now?