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Jizar II · 11-20-2002, 07:52 AM

The scrubbing seems to be higher with them lately, is anyone else noticing this?

Brown Bear · 11-20-2002, 08:23 AM

rub a dub dub, scrub scrub scrub

vegasdude · 11-20-2002, 08:29 AM

Wizzo · 11-20-2002, 08:33 AM

Hadn't noticed any difference w/ the MakingBacon sites...

Snake Doctor · 11-20-2002, 08:35 AM

I haven't noticed any difference.

Now last week with Ibill sponsors was a totally different story....

but I LOVE EPOCH

EscortBiz · 11-20-2002, 08:45 AM

well they dont want to lose merchant accounts so in this biz you got to scrub hard

Cindyff · 11-20-2002, 10:59 AM

I am glad someone else noticed this, Yes we think Epoch has changed their scrub rate starting about two weeks ago. But they are saying they did'nt. ???

Arousal Design · 11-20-2002, 11:04 AM

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Jizar II · 11-20-2002, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cindyff
I am glad someone else noticed this, Yes we think Epoch has changed their scrub rate starting about two weeks ago. But they are saying they did'nt. ???

i'm glad you noticed it too! We're getting emails from surfers who can't join in much higher rate than normal

and it pissed me off!!

Martin · 11-20-2002, 11:06 AM

Yeah I thought things were a bit slow that last 2 weeks too! Glad I'm not the only one..

YDG · 11-20-2002, 11:37 AM

Us too. Big change at the start of Novemember. We contacted them but Epoch says nothing has changed. This has been bugging me all month, glad its not only me.

Now I need a US processor who does not scrub. Who ? Who ?

Snake Doctor · 11-20-2002, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by YDG

Now I need a US processor who does not scrub. Who ? Who ?

Yeah and I need a double blow job from Britney Spears and Jennifer Lopez.

And I have better odds of getting what I "need" than you do

redshift · 11-20-2002, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jizar II
The scrubbing seems to be higher with them lately, is anyone else noticing this?

How can you tell that they are scrubbing harder?
I see nothing in their stats that would tell me the number of declines

Epoch · 11-20-2002, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by YDG
Us too. Big change at the start of Novemember. We contacted them but Epoch says nothing has changed. This has been bugging me all month, glad its not only me.

Now I need a US processor who does not scrub. Who ? Who ?

First of all no scrub by an IPSP = out of business in 3 months

Secondly, I am looking at your sales YDG since the first of October and you had your highest processing day since that time on Nov. 15 and all subsequent days have been consistent with your normal new sales volume since Oct. 1 if not higher, so I am no quite sure why you are complaining that we have increased our scrub..

Clay
EPOCH

Aza · 11-20-2002, 03:11 PM

we all complain about losing $ from this scrubbing shit

but how about the IPSPs they must lose MAJOR DOLLAR???

Epoch · 11-20-2002, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aza
we all complain about losing $ from this scrubbing shit

but how about the IPSPs they must lose MAJOR DOLLAR???

You have to scrub to stay in business. There are certain cards which carry a much higher risk of chargeback than others, therefore you set your risk parameters and scrub based on your risk analysis of the transaction.

It's not about losing money, it's about being able to stay within card association guidelines in terms of credits and chargebacks and thus stay in business for the long term.

Also I forgot to mention in my last post, if you have an email from a cardholder who cannot join you can forward me the email and I will tell you why they were declined. I will be in Las Vegas Thursday and Friday, so don't expect emails back on those days.

Clay
EPOCH
[email protected]

Aza · 11-20-2002, 03:25 PM

If a cardholder gets blacklisted....how long is he blacklisted for?

i hate declines

Epoch · 11-20-2002, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aza
If a cardholder gets blacklisted....how long is he blacklisted for?

i hate declines

It depends on the cardholder, but once a card is deemed fraudulent it probably won't process again.

Clay
EPOCH

Sambuka · 11-20-2002, 07:39 PM

Good time to get MPA2 software that cascades the surfers straight onto your 2nd and then 3rd backup cc processor.

http://www.mansionproductions.com/home.html

Not spam, i've just purchased it and it sure looks damn good.

Sammy

dig420 · 11-20-2002, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aza
If a cardholder gets blacklisted....how long is he blacklisted for?

i hate declines

nobody likes declines, but chargebacks are a hell of a lot worse. We pay 15-20 per for ezclicks btw

if you're using epoch and not doing ezclick you're leaving way too much money on the table.

magnatique · 11-22-2002, 12:29 AM

epoch has been A1 with us with info on why people got declined... I always get the people an answer from epoch... keeps them happy ;)

garry · 12-02-2002, 04:57 AM

Sambuka thanks for the good word

And yeah the scrubbing is taking away aprox 40% of your signups. Many of them would be chargebacks, but then again many of them would be extra money in your bank to!
All our mpa2 clients have got at least 20% more signups now because of our cascading. That is 20% more money in your pocket !

And not to mention all the other great features the mpa2 program have :o)

Theo · 12-02-2002, 05:08 AM

i had my card declined by 2000charge few hours ago, although in the past i didnt have any problem with 'em.

Sambuka · 12-02-2002, 05:37 AM

Well I think Epoch have upped there scrub rates and Ibill too, I can't signup to epoch or Ibill anymore and i'm in Australia with a Business Gold Card and its declining it. Not saying thats 100% proof but I was signing up under both Ibill and epoch 2 months ago no worries.

It was interesting, I was signing up to deluxepass and Epoch declined my card, then Ibill and then CCbill processed my card as normal, it was using the MPA2 software, but I think cause CCbill have less chargebacks cause they don't allow free trials etc they don't have to do as much scubbing, I think i'll put CCbill as my 2nd processor for this reason. I'm sure if epoch / Ibill are declining my card there declining a lot more also.

Sammy

Hustlin Entertainment · 12-02-2002, 05:54 AM

i got listed on several tgp's with good traffic the right sponsor the right links but no sales with epoch...

epitome of scrub

garry · 12-02-2002, 08:13 AM

Sambuka

Im glad to hear the mpa2 program works

Its not that one of them are scrubbing more or less then the other. its because they all have different rules for the scrubbing. And since the mpa2 program tries the customer credit card on all 3 processors its a bigger chance that one of the processors will accept the card. Thats why this program is so DAMN good :o)

the indigo · 12-02-2002, 09:01 AM

Yeah but completely useless for anyone who can't process with Epoch, iBill or CCBill

As soon as it supports some International processors (ACPay, Probilling, Netbilling, Globill...) I will be glad to pay $350 per month for it.

Jizar II · 12-02-2002, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by the indigo
Yeah but completely useless for anyone who can't process with Epoch, iBill or CCBill

As soon as it supports some International processors (ACPay, Probilling, Netbilling, Globill...) I will be glad to pay $350 per month for it.

yeah support for netbilling would be good

garry · 12-02-2002, 09:35 PM

We can add in any processor you like. NEtbilling will be added end of this week. And if you have other processors you want to have added we can do that as well.

Just contact us and we make you happy

ICQ # 11564972

11-20-2002, 07:52 AM	#1
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Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	I am glad someone else noticed this, Yes we think Epoch has changed their scrub rate starting about two weeks ago. But they are saying they did'nt. ???

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11-20-2002, 11:37 AM	#11
YDG Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Dordogne Posts: 1,614	Us too. Big change at the start of Novemember. We contacted them but Epoch says nothing has changed. This has been bugging me all month, glad its not only me. Now I need a US processor who does not scrub. Who ? Who ? __________________ Promote the webs Highest Rated Teen Paysite TeenDreams.com. #1 Teen Paysite at almost every review site on the internet. Over 4,500 FHG's and 100's of Hosted Flash Movies and FLV dump Tool.

11-20-2002, 03:11 PM	#15
Aza Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 818	we all complain about losing $ from this scrubbing shit but how about the IPSPs they must lose MAJOR DOLLAR???

11-20-2002, 03:25 PM	#17
Aza Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 818	If a cardholder gets blacklisted....how long is he blacklisted for? i hate declines

11-20-2002, 07:39 PM	#19
Sambuka Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: - Posts: 500	Good time to get MPA2 software that cascades the surfers straight onto your 2nd and then 3rd backup cc processor. http://www.mansionproductions.com/home.html Not spam, i've just purchased it and it sure looks damn good. Sammy

11-22-2002, 12:29 AM	#21
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12-02-2002, 04:57 AM	#22
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	Sambuka thanks for the good word And yeah the scrubbing is taking away aprox 40% of your signups. Many of them would be chargebacks, but then again many of them would be extra money in your bank to! All our mpa2 clients have got at least 20% more signups now because of our cascading. That is 20% more money in your pocket ! And not to mention all the other great features the mpa2 program have :o) __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica

12-02-2002, 05:08 AM	#23
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i had my card declined by 2000charge few hours ago, although in the past i didnt have any problem with 'em.

12-02-2002, 05:37 AM	#24
Sambuka Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: - Posts: 500	Well I think Epoch have upped there scrub rates and Ibill too, I can't signup to epoch or Ibill anymore and i'm in Australia with a Business Gold Card and its declining it. Not saying thats 100% proof but I was signing up under both Ibill and epoch 2 months ago no worries. It was interesting, I was signing up to deluxepass and Epoch declined my card, then Ibill and then CCbill processed my card as normal, it was using the MPA2 software, but I think cause CCbill have less chargebacks cause they don't allow free trials etc they don't have to do as much scubbing, I think i'll put CCbill as my 2nd processor for this reason. I'm sure if epoch / Ibill are declining my card there declining a lot more also. Sammy

12-02-2002, 05:54 AM	#25
Hustlin Entertainment So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nassau,Bahamas Posts: 2,326	i got listed on several tgp's with good traffic the right sponsor the right links but no sales with epoch... epitome of scrub

12-02-2002, 08:13 AM	#26
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	Sambuka Im glad to hear the mpa2 program works Its not that one of them are scrubbing more or less then the other. its because they all have different rules for the scrubbing. And since the mpa2 program tries the customer credit card on all 3 processors its a bigger chance that one of the processors will accept the card. Thats why this program is so DAMN good :o) __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica

12-02-2002, 09:01 AM	#27
the indigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North America Posts: 2,016	Yeah but completely useless for anyone who can't process with Epoch, iBill or CCBill As soon as it supports some International processors (ACPay, Probilling, Netbilling, Globill...) I will be glad to pay $350 per month for it.

12-02-2002, 09:35 PM	#29
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	We can add in any processor you like. NEtbilling will be added end of this week. And if you have other processors you want to have added we can do that as well. Just contact us and we make you happy ICQ # 11564972 __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica