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Quagmire 02-22-2009 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 15534691)
The completely idiotic point of the story being that registration would have somehow prevented this is just typical nonsense.

The parents are at fault no matter how you slice it
100% agree with the blame. A shotgun that the child knew how to operate should not have been easily available to him without direct supervision.

I have no issues with gun ownership and think that teaching kids respect for firearms can be a good thing. I'm on the fence about hand guns in the house and personally would never have one, but I think bare minimum a training course should have to be taken before you could purchase one.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-22-2009 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 15534081)
Basically all you gun lovers are admitting it's a problem. Every time you think you defend guns you are actually saying: Yes, it's a major problem but it wouldn't be IF people would do this IF people would do that.
listen you dumb dumb little man. can you cone up with a little better argument than this weakly veiled load of bullshit next time? all you have to say is the the pro-gun lobby's only arguments are "IF this, IF that". lets examine you fucking argument. "IF this, IF that". stunning display of hypocrisy dumbshit. good job. bravo.

let me reintroduce you to reality for a second. IF there were no guns, PEOPLE WOULD STILL KILL PEOPLE. yes, IF someone has the intention of fucking you up, they're gonna do it. take away guns, you still have blades, take away blades, you got clubs, take away clubs, and there's stones to throw, ropes to strangle with, plastic bags, water, electricity, fire. hell, take all that away and leave two bare-knuckled people locked in a room for long enough, one is probably going strangle the other. welcome to the real fucking world. you gonna start outlawing shoelaces and taking them away now?

I'm SO fucking tired of all these stupid little cowards sitting in the bushes just waiting to hop out and lay the blame on the guns as soon as there's one of these accidents. when it's clear where the blame belongs. on stupid ass people. there's a simple solution here that would have solved this all. LOCK THE FUCKING GUN UP. but no, it just makes SO much more sense to get rid of every gun altogether! because that's ever gonna happen, riiiiight.

here's another IF for you. IF there were no stupid ass people, we wouldn't have these problems. surely it'll be just as easy to remove all the idiots as it will be to remove all the guns. probably easier...

DirtyDanza 02-22-2009 01:55 PM
should we take away cars to because more people die in the world from car accidents than gun accidents?

mlove 02-22-2009 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15534015)
the same reason pacifiers come in adult sizes you fucking baby...
how many times have you hit f5 so far?

DirtyDanza 02-22-2009 02:07 PM
as much as a gun lover I am. it is to easy to get a gun here in america for anyone...

if you own a handgun you should have to qualify at least 4 times a year like cops do.....


personally I shoot a min of 1000 rds a month... I used to shoot more but my time is taken up now....

mlove 02-22-2009 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15533360)
It's plain and fucking simple. lock your guns up. locked cabinet with your fireams and ammunition. trigger locks on the guns. If you have children around you DO NOT HAVE GUNS LAYING AROUND. Well I always did as a kid, but I guess I knew better too...
what you're forgetting is that gun owners are typically idiot rednecks who have no sense of organization due to their constant use of methamphetamine. It's just not realistic to expect them to routinely lock their guns up since those guys never know when they'll need to defend their property from johnny law.

Slappin Fish 02-22-2009 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15535189)
let me reintroduce you to reality for a second. IF there were no guns, PEOPLE WOULD STILL KILL PEOPLE. yes, IF someone has the intention of fucking you up, they're gonna do it. take away guns, you still have blades, take away blades, you got clubs, take away clubs, and there's stones to throw, ropes to strangle with, plastic bags, water, electricity, fire. hell, take all that away and leave two bare-knuckled people locked in a room for long enough, one is probably going strangle the other. welcome to the real fucking world. you gonna start outlawing shoelaces and taking them away now?
That is not reality. Reality is a percentage game.
The least physical and psychological effort you have to put in the killing the more likely somebody will do it.
Out of 100 willing to kill with a gun, only 80 would do so with a blade, 60 would do so with a club, 40 would do so with their laces...
If you had to kill a cow with a blunt knife before eating a burger there would be less cows killed and less fatties. Its a fact.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-22-2009 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mlove (Post 15535303)
what you're forgetting is that gun owners are typically idiot rednecks who have no sense of organization due to their constant use of methamphetamine. It's just not realistic to expect them to routinely lock their guns up since those guys never know when they'll need to defend their property from johnny law.
Well if it wind sup getting them shot dead, just consider it a display Darwinism at it's finest...

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-22-2009 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 15535325)
That is not reality. Reality is a percentage game.
The least physical and psychological effort you have to put in the killing the more likely somebody will do it.
Out of 100 willing to kill with a gun, only 80 would do so with a blade, 60 would do so with a club, 40 would do so with their laces...
If you had to kill a cow with a blunt knife before eating a burger, there would be less cows killed and less fatties. Its a fact.
wrong on so many levels...

DirtyDanza 02-22-2009 02:20 PM
im no redneck ... I don't live in the sticks... I don't do meth and I own guns.... everyone I know that owns guns are not red necks im sure there are red necks that own guns but thats not everyone....

in fact when I go in the gun stores here it's more business men than anything buying guns...

steve wynn owns and carries a gun is he a red neck?

Bill Gates owns and carries a gun is he a red neck?

Mayor Bloomberg owns and carries a gun is he a red neck?

mlove 02-22-2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15535326)
Well if it wind sup getting them shot dead, just consider it a display Darwinism at it's finest...
well they said that the woman was only the guy's girlfriend, not his wife. We don't know how long they were together, and she might not have been aware of how dangerous the family was.

evildick 02-22-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by EddieBrock (Post 15533510)
The bottom line is 20 and 410 gauge guns are made for kids, they have the same killing power of a high powered pellet gun. It would be very hard to kill someone with these guns by mistake.
My first gun was also a .410, but I used to shoot slugs in it. Those would blow a good chunk out of you if you got hit by it. I used to literally cut birds in half with it. I'm sure with a good shot you could kill a deer with it.

DirtyDanza 02-22-2009 02:29 PM
kind of off subject but


iv'e documented over 15000 rounds at fucking bats and you just can't shoot the fuckers... I have no idea why...

I mean ill have the shotty out and it will be 2 feet away from the end of the muzzle and keep flying....

anyone else ever try this?

can someone find out why?

Slappin Fish 02-22-2009 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15535331)
wrong on so many levels...
Wrong how so?

Why do you think everybody can squash a bug but few can kill a pig?

The blood, the screams.... the harder the kill the smaller the percentage of people that have it in them to do it. :2 cents:

Not denying peoples right to carry guns btw, just saying that only a small fraction of those that pull the trigger would have it in them to repeatedly knife someone, never mind kill them with a power cord.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-22-2009 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by evildick (Post 15535349)
My first gun was also a .410, but I used to shoot slugs in it. Those would blow a good chunk out of you if you got hit by it. I used to literally cut birds in half with it. I'm sure with a good shot you could kill a deer with it.
with a good shot you can kill a deer with a .22LR no problem. I have n doubt a slug from a 410 would drop a deer within close range.

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Originally Posted by mlove (Post 15535344)
well they said that the woman was only the guy's girlfriend, not his wife. We don't know how long they were together, and she might not have been aware of how dangerous the family was.
How does that exclude her? she surely knew there were unlocked guns laying around a house with children and did/said nothing about it. accidents happen when kids are around, be responsible and lock your shit up.

this whole "redneck hillbilly" story is just plain old ignorance. that's just like saying, nigggers are violent and dangerous, lets get rid of all the nigggers! that'll solve all our problems! no, no it won't. race & lifestyle do not have any affect on the situation.

i'm sure most of the people i know who are gun owners would fall under your definition of "redneck" and guess what? none off them smoke meth, none of them leave guns layign around their children. this is some common sense fucking shit.

ignorance and idiocy are the problem, NOT FUCKING GUNS.

go back a hundred years or so, you would be pretty hard pressed to have found a household without a gun, and it would probably be a fucking miracle had you found one that was locked up. did they have the problems we have today? NO.

people need to drop this little ignorant fucking routine they are so dead set within and look at the real problem. PEOPLE. it's people who are fucked up, it's people who pull the trigger, it's people who can prevent accidents like this from happening. but hey, people are pretty predictable, of course the ignorant are going to look for an easy scapegoat. no one wants to take responsibility or admit that maybe they contribute to this all.

like danza said, it should be no where near as easy to get a gun as it is. it should be difficult to get a gun legally, and it should be something one needs to keep up on and show diligence in to continue to own a firearm. but taking firearms away from responsible owners is not the answer. it will not stop criminal gun use, and it will not stop fatal accidents from happening. to follow this path of understanding is just plain ignorant. end of story.

DirtyDanza 02-22-2009 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 15535397)
Wrong how so?

Why do you think everybody can squash a bug but few can kill a pig?

The blood, the screams.... the harder the kill the smaller the percentage of people that have it in them to do it. :2 cents:

Not denying peoples right to carry guns btw, just saying that only a small fraction of those that pull the trigger would have it in them to repeatedly knife someone, never mind kill them with a power cord.

thats the only way we boar hunt baby .... good ole Ka-Bar fighting knife you and the boar... chase that fucker down and hit em in the pits.... I know im not the only one that huts boar that way because ive been hunting with many many business men who love to hunt that way....

mlove 02-22-2009 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15535402)
with a good shot you can kill a deer with a .22LR no problem. I have n doubt a slug from a 410 would drop a deer within close range.



How does that exclude her? she surely knew there were unlocked guns laying around a house with children and did/said nothing about it. accidents happen when kids are around, be responsible and lock your shit up.

this whole "redneck hillbilly" story is just plain old ignorance. that's just like saying, nigggers are violent and dangerous, lets get rid of all the nigggers! that'll solve all our problems! no, no it won't. race & lifestyle do not have any affect on the situation.

i'm sure most of the people i know who are gun owners would fall under your definition of "redneck" and guess what? none off them smoke meth, none of them leave guns layign around their children. this is some common sense fucking shit.

ignorance and idiocy are the problem, NOT FUCKING GUNS.

go back a hundred years or so, you would be pretty hard pressed to have found a household without a gun, and it would probably be a fucking miracle had you found one that was locked up. did they have the problems we have today? NO.

people need to drop this little ignorant fucking routine they are so dead set within and look at the real problem. PEOPLE. it's people who are fucked up, it's people who pull the trigger, it's people who can prevent accidents like this from happening. but hey, people are pretty predictable, of course the ignorant are going to look for an easy scapegoat. no one wants to take responsibility or admit that maybe they contribute to this all.

like danza said, it should be no where near as easy to get a gun as it is. it should be difficult to get a gun legally, and it should be something one needs to keep up on and show diligence in to continue to own a firearm. but taking firearms away from responsible owners is not the answer. it will not stop criminal gun use, and it will not stop fatal accidents from happening. to follow this path of understanding is just plain ignorant. end of story.
well this is Pennsylvania and he was a gun owner, so it's likely that he raped her to impregnate her, and then told his son to shoot teh woman.

potter 02-22-2009 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 15535325)
That is not reality. Reality is a percentage game.
The least physical and psychological effort you have to put in the killing the more likely somebody will do it.
Out of 100 willing to kill with a gun, only 80 would do so with a blade, 60 would do so with a club, 40 would do so with their laces...
If you had to kill a cow with a blunt knife before eating a burger there would be less cows killed and less fatties. Its a fact.
It's not a fact, it's a statistical fact. The "fact" isn't that people would less likely eat meat if they had to kill the cow. If that were FACT we would not be carnivorous. We'd be total omnivores.

We used to have to kill animals with much less than a blunt knife. That didn't stop us from killing them. Just because we're intelligent and have created guns. Doesn't make use pussies. It makes us more efficient.

mikesouth 02-22-2009 02:49 PM
I own many guns, I have a concealed carry permit valid in about 30 states (through recips)

I carry pretty much all the time

I dont drink
I dont do meth or any other drug
I have been a gun owner since I was 6 years old I was supervised and taught firearms safety as a kid.
I hope I never have to use the gun I carry, but don't mistake that to mean I wouldn't
After all when seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-22-2009 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 15535397)
Wrong how so?

Why do you think everybody can squash a bug but few can kill a pig?

The blood, the screams.... the harder the kill the smaller the percentage of people that have it in them to do it. :2 cents:

Not denying peoples right to carry guns btw, just saying that only a small fraction of those that pull the trigger would have it in them to repeatedly knife someone, never mind kill them with a power cord.
statistically a person is far more likely to use a knive than a gun. a gun strikes fear, a criminal who pulls a gun does it to put the fear into you. it is risky to shoot someone and the majority of people who pull a gun do so not with the intent of using it, but simply intimidating their victims into cooperation. when a criminal pulls a knife on you, odds are they mean fucking business. the odds of someone pulling a knive on you using it vs someone pulling a gun on you are MUCH higher.

those who come into a situation armed with a gun and intent on using it are not concerned about the method by which they are killing. the gun simply becomes a tool of necessity. if i wanted someone dead, and didn't have a gun, i'd find an alternative, as would most anyone else. yes, if you banned every gun in north america, and someone managed to actually get every gun in north america destroyed, it would stop the handful of accidents like this that happen every year. it would not sway the levels of violent crime.

there's also plenty of statistics supporting the fact that victims of vital gunshot wounds are more likely to survive than victims of vital stabbings. i can't vouch for this in anyway as i'm not a doctor, but i've heard it time and time again. people

i will agree with you, that if everyone had to kill their own food, you'd probably see a lot more vegetarians out there. but fact of the matter is, no one kills their own food anyways. very few at least, the most of the meat comes through killhouses and is cleaned and packaged by butchers. if there were no guns do you think those butchers would have any less hangup over chopping a head off, or bleeding an animal out as opposed to just shooting it? no. we would simply have an alternative way to go about it, and lets face it, it would probably be far less humane.

i can argue this until i am blue in the face, my opinion will never chance. i will not ever give up my guns.

DarkJedi 02-22-2009 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 15533977)
And this will never happen and that's why guns will ALWAYS be a big fucking problem in the US.

You keep defending your case with if this if that. There is no if. There are way too many guns and way too many people that shouldn't be allowed to have one and this results and shitloads of accidents. And it will always be like that.
And that's a bad thing, how?

Retards and n1ggers killing each other, cleaning up the gene pool, while responsible people still have access to firearms.

Sounds like a plan.

:2 cents:

Slappin Fish 02-22-2009 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by potter (Post 15535421)
That didn't stop us from killing them. Just because we're intelligent and have created guns. Doesn't make use pussies. It makes us more efficient.
It would make us more efficient = kill more :thumbsup

You misread my post if you think I said that was a bad thing. I couldn't care less.

DarkJedi 02-22-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15535402)
that's just like saying, nigggers are violent and dangerous, lets get rid of all the nigggers!
That is also a good plan.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-22-2009 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mlove (Post 15535417)
well this is Pennsylvania and he was a gun owner, so it's likely that he raped her to impregnate her, and then told his son to shoot teh woman.
it's in america in general. as americans you need to face the facts. you're raised in a cesspool of a society, in a country that was built on violence and guns. your country has more guns per capita than any other country by a long ass shot. like guns far beyond neccesity. what's needed is not the abolition of firearms, but some common fucking sense... :2 cents:

DirtyDanza 02-22-2009 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 15535408)
15000?? ..oh about after 25 rounds I would have figured it out.
no doubt... but then you start to get pissed and say fuck that im gonna get you......

John-ACWM 02-22-2009 03:34 PM
Some people think 'education' is just a word

Dirty F 02-22-2009 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15535189)
listen you dumb dumb little man. can you cone up with a little better argument than this weakly veiled load of bullshit next time? all you have to say is the the pro-gun lobby's only arguments are "IF this, IF that". lets examine you fucking argument. "IF this, IF that". stunning display of hypocrisy dumbshit. good job. bravo.

let me reintroduce you to reality for a second. IF there were no guns, PEOPLE WOULD STILL KILL PEOPLE. yes, IF someone has the intention of fucking you up, they're gonna do it. take away guns, you still have blades, take away blades, you got clubs, take away clubs, and there's stones to throw, ropes to strangle with, plastic bags, water, electricity, fire. hell, take all that away and leave two bare-knuckled people locked in a room for long enough, one is probably going strangle the other. welcome to the real fucking world. you gonna start outlawing shoelaces and taking them away now?

I'm SO fucking tired of all these stupid little cowards sitting in the bushes just waiting to hop out and lay the blame on the guns as soon as there's one of these accidents. when it's clear where the blame belongs. on stupid ass people. there's a simple solution here that would have solved this all. LOCK THE FUCKING GUN UP. but no, it just makes SO much more sense to get rid of every gun altogether! because that's ever gonna happen, riiiiight.

here's another IF for you. IF there were no stupid ass people, we wouldn't have these problems. surely it'll be just as easy to remove all the idiots as it will be to remove all the guns. probably easier...
Gun just makes things worse. Stats don't lie. You're right there together with all the shithole countries when it comes to crime in general and crime with guns. In Holland we don't have guns and have less crime so no matter what you say your argument is flawed, big time. And you're a total fucking moron for ignoring it :1orglaugh

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-22-2009 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 15535790)
Gun just makes things worse. Stats don't lie. You're right there together with all the shithole countries when it comes to crime in general and crime with guns. In Holland we don't have guns and have less crime so no matter what you say your argument is flawed, big time. And you're a total fucking moron for ignoring it :1orglaugh
You are a total fucking moron for thinking guns are going anywhere, at all. People need to stop scapegoating the fucking guns, and start looking at the issues that cause the problems to arise. :2 cents:

Sitting around saying that guns need to be outlawed is the idiots answer to the problem at hand.

DarkJedi 02-22-2009 05:03 PM
the planet is overpopulated.

if anything, we need MORE guns

Dirty F 02-22-2009 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15535801)
You are a total fucking moron for thinking guns are going anywhere, at all.
Huh? Are you quoting the wrong person? Stop mouth foaming and calm down you idiot :1orglaugh

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-22-2009 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 15535821)
Huh? Are you quoting the wrong person? Stop mouth foaming and calm down you idiot :1orglaugh
If you had even one noteworthy opinion on anything I might be concerned with your opinion, but you are nothing more than a stupid little prick. Be quiet while the citizens of developed nations are talking.

Dirty F 02-22-2009 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15535873)
If you had even one noteworthy opinion on anything I might be concerned with your opinion, but you are nothing more than a stupid little prick. Be quiet while the citizens of developed nations are talking.
God, you're a moron :1orglaugh

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Dirty F 02-22-2009 06:00 PM
I don't care about your opinion because i have the freedom to buy guns and eventhough they do more harm than good noone is gonna take that freedom away from me!!!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...FREEDOM012.jpg

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-22-2009 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 15535885)
God, you're a moron :1orglaugh

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a moron with a gun, you better lookout, zomg! i'm clearly a loose cannon.

guns aren't going anywhere, so keep on with your wishful idealistic bullshit. it isn't ever going to happen troll. what ar ethey gonna take the guns away with? more guns? people need to start taking responsibility for their actions, not building everything into a padded fucking room...

Dirty F 02-22-2009 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15535873)
Be quiet while the citizens of developed nations are talking.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2w7hjpu.jpg

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Dirty F 02-22-2009 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15535906)
a moron with a gun, you better lookout, zomg! i'm clearly a loose cannon.

guns aren't going anywhere, so keep on with your wishful idealistic bullshit. it isn't ever going to happen troll. what ar ethey gonna take the guns away with? more guns? people need to start taking responsibility for their actions, not building everything into a padded fucking room...
Once again fucking dumb moron where am i saying that guns are going anywhere? Stop fucking mouth foaming i said. You're so busy defending your idiot case that you don't even know what i'm saying. You just answer with the same old dumb ass replies while i haven't said a word about that guns should be gone. I have mentioned NOTHING like that.

I don't give a shit if all you idiots shoot eachother. As long as i don't have to live in that shithole.

Goddamn fucking moron.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-22-2009 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 15535909)
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i'm in #20 position, whoooooooooo, i fear for my life, i better pad my walls and never leave the house. but omg, a gun might tip over and blow my head off, whatever am i to do?

yes i have guns, no noone is taking them from me. sure, everyone who is passionate about the right to bear arms is a total whackjob, yes thats it. there's nothing wrong with people, they are just innocent dumb little fucks who can't be trusted, so we will take all the scissors away and replace them with plastic kindergarten blades. i guess we should all wear helmets and kneepads. we can't expect people to you know, take responsibility for themselves.

seriously you are a dumb shit frank. one of the dumbest, saddest, most pathetic board trolls in existence. i'm done wasting my time with your shit, everyone knows where i stand, and everyone knows what you are.

here's your little +1 for being a dipshit, you've won the war of attrition, i can't be bothered with it anymore. i hope this somehow brings a glimmer of light into your pathetic little soul for a moment. before you move on to battling the next pointless argument you have no understanding of.

Dirty F 02-22-2009 08:25 PM
Loser :1orglaugh

stickyfingerz 02-23-2009 10:49 AM
Holy Crap I never read the article. This happened like 4 miles away from where I lived for awhile. More than likely know some of this family. Just had a friend call and ask if I had heard about it, and remembered hearing something about it on gfy. Sheesh thats crazy. :Oh crap

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-23-2009 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 15536495)
Loser :1orglaugh
Ironic coming from you.

stickyfingerz 02-24-2009 03:46 PM
Ok well just found out the girl that died was my 3rd cousin. Never knew or met her. but ugg.. :Oh crap

Penthouse Tony 02-24-2009 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 15544487)
Ok well just found out the girl that died was my 3rd cousin. Never knew or met her. but ugg.. :Oh crap
Sorry to hear that.


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