Yeah but did you see what the monthly bandwidth bill is? I can only imagine it's barely covering that

They do buy dating memberships, actually.

4chan is losing money because moot doesn't want to make money. It's that simple. Just try asking about buying ad spots, and see what happens...

"all those 4 chan surfers download movies, play ripped video games, eat fast food at restaurants that would never in a million years advertise on a chaotic forum like that, etc....."


regardless of what you guys think, the type of traffic they have and the content that goes through there is very low monetisability, and returning forum users are amongst the worst when it comes to profitability (unless you are in a tight business niche)

you mainstream guys know that there are sites you could have with a ton of traffic getting majorly outperformed by low traffic sites, just having a ton of crappy traffic isn't the be all end all answer


the site wouldn't even be worth purchasing because if you bought it and tried to change things there to make it profitable, your own users would likely attack and destroy it :2 cents:

How much does it cost to advertise?
http://www.4chan.org/advertise/

free is where the money is isnt it?

Moot is an idiot if you ask me. He can't make money because of a tough crowd? LOL, give me a break.

He could make plenty of money selling acne removal products, 4chan merchandise, t-shirt hell-like shirts etc

i still think hes trolling the media or he really is a backwards idiot

There's the problem, actually.

The email address on the page you listed simply doesn't yield any responses. [email protected] has a chance of getting you a response, but if you do get one, you'll quickly learn that moot is a twatty emo, more interested in crying about his situation than in changing it. Spend some time talking with him, and you may or may not get a pricelist which may or may not be realistic (why yes, prices do change based on whether he likes you or not - stroke his big throbbing emo ego, and you'll pay ridiculously little. don't, and you'll pay far more than it's worth).

Buying advertising on 4chan is like getting a teenager to clean up his room. The guy is in it for internet fame, and has the business sense of a brick :2 cents:

you sound really disappointed

did moot deny you cyebrsex?

:1orglaugh

btw, 4chan is down - it's being hammered by all the noobs from the washingtonpost article

50 broke dudes who are gonna be multi millionaires soon enough

http://cgi.4chan.org/hc/src/1234916800295.jpg
Fresh from the can. Yum yum!

Actually, I'm fairly sure cybersex ranked quite a bit higher on his list of priorities than simply selling advertising without bullshit drama :disgust

lol @ the emil puzzle in b/ i swear it wasnt me

lol indeed.. here is the answer:

On top of that if this guy can't sell at least dating to a demographic of:

United States 60.6%
Germany 6.8%
Australia 4.0%
Canada 4.0%
United Kingdom 2.7%

Then who will he be able to sell to? I mean.. most tubes out there don't have those numbers and they are still able to sell to free loaders.... besides... 4chan doesn't only caters to pedobears and most of that traffic is geographically "bill-able"........

Here is yet one more reason this guy wont' make money...... :Oh crap

To close... let me say that the only way someone with such traffic numbers wouldn't be able to make money off of that site would be if those visitors were from either russia or China... and still there is the possibility of selling that traffic to adult as we all have seen here in GFY... all it takes is a lil brainstorming which might be a new concept for 4chan's owner..

He can hardly pay the hosting for his site, its going to eventually sink

and the answer was wrong :2 cents:

you actually compare tube traffic to 4chan traffic? there might be an overlap, but I would also guess that those in the overlap make zero revenue for the tubes as well :2 cents:

Actually, the answer is quite right. And I know that for a fact.

The traffic doesn't convert well, usually, but it does convert. And if you use clever marketing tricks, it actually does convert well.

Of course, the current banner campaigns there will turn out to be a disappointment, since they're now promoting simple paysites...

But 4chan traffic can definitely bring in money, if you know how to use it. Which moot doesn't :2 cents:

I gaurantee you that if you put up an ad that said "Moot checked out this site... go you faggot!"

Well... the rest is history.

All he has to do is have a premium forum membership or something similiar. He can still have free but offer extra functionality to paid accounts. A one off $10 fee like SA and he would coin it in surely.

are you guys really this clueless when it comes to the forum culture? :1orglaugh

Why does SA do that well then??

Yeah SA runs a pretty good ship, anyone else have an account there. I do.

different animal

can you imagine the logistical problems in trying to turn the 4chan ship around into a traditional type bbs forum? and getting users to pay? can't see it working

I would be interested to see the revenue breakdowns for sa though, is the membership fee a huge part of it, or is that a way to keep the poster and therefore conversation quality up? I guess probably both, and it would be interesting to see how the fees compare to ad revenue

Yep, I do.

I love SA, since it's far more mature than 4chan. 4chan has the potential to become very profitable but as people mentioned before, the owner seems a bit clueless and overwhelmed with everything.

I agree somewhat, he is too close to it. If his goal is to make money, he should put someone else in charge of it and let them do their thing. He can then cash his checks.

The odd thing is that sometimes he seems like he hates dealing with the site and sounds generally upset that it doesn't make him money. At the same time, he's had to have had many opportunities to cash out.

I don't think he has an ego. I think he's just torn. On one hand it's his baby and one of the reasons the site is so successful is because it never has sold out. On the other he has to want to cash in like so many others have. In this business, you can't go halfway, it's one or the other. I have respect for him whichever way he goes, but he needs to really pick one.

4chan is what the Something Awful forums would be if they didn't have moderators and paid accounts. Trying to charge money to post on there wouldn't work at all.

Charging money would defeat the idea behind anon forums....

I think he makes lots of cash. No doubt.

I guess you don't frequent /B very much lol there are FIVE ads (for of them at the top surrounding the post area alone) and minus the AFF banners, look at the link codes for the rest of the banners, some big players from our industry ARE paying money to be there.

So.... how exactly is moot NOT making ANY money with that board? doesn't add up to me.

-Loki-

One instant idea would be to install a script which would convert games titles and movie titles into links, leading to online stores with 15% discount off the retail price. And that's yet before my morning coffee, so I'm pretty sure there are some other, better ideas :)

ya, agreed

4chan is like the ghetto of the internet :P

What's the URL for SA?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

GTFO newfag

The ads you see there now are relatively new, before that there was a period with just a few ads, all non-adult, before that a period without ads, before that a period with normal ads, a mix of adult and non-adult, provided by an outside company which started mixing in ads with sounds, popups and browser redirects - which was the reason he moved to no ads at all for a while.

The new ads are a move in the right direction, caused by financial desperation. However, they're still not the type of ads that would be most effective on there.

Please, shut your mouth when you have zero idea of what the hell you're talking about.

Didn't a good portion of those new ads suddenly pop up after our last 4chan thread here?

I agree with Libertine, though, that simple ads for paysites wouldn't work terribly well on those boards. I mean, take the hentai ads that are running up their promoting Free Lifetime Hentai right now. Is some 20 year old /b/tard going to take the time to whip out a credit/debit card and go through all the BS to sign up, or is he just going to click on /h/ and have a shitload of hentai there without any effort or cc info?

I think you'd have to offer something that either 4chan doesn't already offer for free/easier access, and make it something at least interesting and not insulting to an internet/porn savvy person's intelligence.

That's just my theory, though.

no they refuse to make money.