New Reliability Seal Program for Adult Sites - Need Feedback Please - GoFuckYourself.com

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 07:56 AM

Adult Webmasters,

CFH Enterprises has developed a new business reliability seal program for adult websites that not only increases adult website membership signups by up to 30% (proven documentable fact), but also incorporates probably THE most generous and participative revenue sharing program in existence!

The program is called TRUSTEDAdult? and can be found at www.trustedadult.org . The program was just launched on Nov. 1 2002. We are, however, very interested in your feedback.

Please be honest!

Thanks.

Bigtone

Additional Info:

What is TRUSTEDAdult??

Today?s advances in technology and the development of e-commerce have made the lives of the consumer and the business owner much easier. However, these advances have also reduced the intimacy between consumers and businesses that formerly existed. While consumers are now able to fulfill the majority of their needs from the comfort of their own homes via the Internet, they often struggle with concerns that they did not have in the ?old days? like: Where is this company located? What happens if I am dissatisfied with the product or service I have received? Is my privacy really protected? How promptly have other customer issues been resolved?

Unless a business is a super mega-entity whose brand is undoubtedly recognized and totally undisputed, these consumer issues can pose a problem and even hinder potential sales. TRUSTEDAdult? is dedicated to restoring the integrity of the crucial relationship between consumers and adult oriented businesses so that both can benefit from the ease of e-commerce. The presence of a TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal on a website quickly demonstrates to potential consumers that the business has fulfilled TRUSTEDAdult??s membership guidelines and that there is a third party evaluating the site?s activities and customer satisfaction. Clicking on the TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal for a particular site links potential consumers to a page on the TRUSTEDAdult? website that rates the business based on details provided by consumers and the business? response to those issues.

Thus, the presence of a TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal demonstrates not only that the company is dedicated to dependability and customer satisfaction, it also lets potential consumers know to the extent that this business can be?well? TRUSTEDAdult?!

What is the TRUSTEDIndex??

The TRUSTEDIndex? is a proprietary patent pending rating system developed exclusively for TRUSTED? and TRUSTEDAdult?. Clicking on the TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal of a web site will take the potential customer the TRUSTEDIndex? page for the site, allowing allowing him/her to see how this business has been rated based on issues raised by previous customers and its promptness in responding to and resolving these issues.

This page will display the index number given to that particular business, demonstrating its success in dealing with customer issues in various categories such as privacy, security and/or customer satisfaction. In addition, the page will also outline the particular areas where the business has resolved/unresolved issues.

You can see a sample TRUSTEDIndex? page by clicking here: http://www.trustedadult.org/verify/s....asp?ai=100204

How does the TRUSTEDAdult? RevShare? program work?

A TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal will not only quickly pay for itself; it can also become very lucrative! Here?s how:

Tier 1 Accounts: 10% recurring commission

Once you are approved for a TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal for your site, you are automatically entered into TRUSTEDAdult??s RevShare program. Thus, if someone applies for a TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal through your site and is approved, you will automatically earn a 10% commission.

This 10% commission is not just a one time thing? you earn 10% each quarter that the website is billed. This means recurring income every three months! But there?s more?

Tier 2 Accounts: 5% recurring commission

Once someone signs up and receives a TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal through your site, they are also automatically entered into our RevShare program ? and you earn a 5% commission for sign ups generated from these sites as well! This commission is also distributed quarterly. PLUS...

Tier 3 Accounts: 1% commission

Sign ups generated from Tier 2 accounts will earn you a 1% commission ? and you haven?t even put in any work! Yes, once again, these commissions are also recurring?

To better illustrate this process, we will use the following example: let?s say that the your TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal generates just 20 Tier 1 sign ups per quarter, and that each of those generate 20 Tier 2 sign ups and so on...

Sign ups Qtrly Commission
Your Tier 1 (10% commission) 20 $400
Your Tier 2 (5% commission) 400 $4,000
Your Tier 3 (1% commission) 8,000 $16,000

Total Quarterly Commission $ 20,400

See how a mere $200 investment can EASILY generate a potential income of $20,000 per quarter? That?s more than 100 times your initial investment!!!! What?s more, you don?t even have to put any real work into the program ? the seal sells itself!

Netrave · 11-17-2002, 08:03 AM

"I am probably spamming"

Yes, and in grand style at that.

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 08:37 AM

I really do need objective feedback.

Thanks.

Probono · 11-17-2002, 10:13 AM

PONZI PONZI PONZI

I tried for online Better Business Bureau approval. They laughed at me. That would be meaningful, a multilevel scam based on payouts would be even more laughable.

Sambuka · 11-17-2002, 10:52 AM

Thats the biggest fucking joke i've ready lately. Who the fuck do you really think is going to pay you $200 every 3 months for NOTHING. I mean I can register Trusted--adult.com and make up some bullshit page like you would of made up for me and use it on any sites I want.

I think you'd have a hard enough time giving your product away let alone SELLING it.

>>Increase Sales. Recent studies have shown that sites with >>reliability seals increase sales up to 30% because consumers >>are more likely to complete the online sales process with >>companies in whom they have confidence.
Yeah I bet those stats were taking from something like YAHOO or EBay, and in those instances YES more people can trust the name and so would signup, but its total bullshit to think that having a little TRUSTadult button is going to do any good at all. I can make one of those upmyself and a site like yours in 1 hour.

Sammy

SykkBoy · 11-17-2002, 11:17 AM

who the fuck is CFH Entertprises? what sites do they own? what makes them "experts" in determining a site's trustworthiness?

I want to see PROOF of this 30% increase

Awards were a great little extra traffic leak tool in 1997, but don't really fly much now...

If a webmaster really wants a "seal of approval" from a site deemed honest by BOTH surfers and webmasters, Jane's Guide is MUCH better and it doesn't cost $200 for the "honor" of being listed...

I can just see the fun of people reporting the "untrustworthiness" of their competitors...or some freeloading surfer bitch complaining about exit consoles...or coming to a scat site and bitching "There's not enough poo!" or lack of hardcore explicit pics on a tour....

these "verifiers"..what experience do they have? what programs/sites do they run? I surely don't want some glorified surfer getting me for $200 to give my site a going over when they don't own/operate any sits of their own...

Mutt · 11-17-2002, 11:19 AM

thanks for the laugh tho!

natural born comedian i think, no way anybody is that stupid

eru · 11-17-2002, 12:01 PM

Bigtone, if you can't afford to pay for advertising like other sponsors, then maybe this business isn't for you.

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 04:40 PM

You all are looking at the seal and are missing what's special about TRUSTED. It employs a objective mathematical algorithm that looks at various types of consumer complaints and assigns an Index score based on these hundreds of variables. Basically...if you suck as a web business you'll have a low score, however if you handle your business you'll have a good index score. This is what drives sales up 30%!

Read the details before casting judgement!

quiet · 11-17-2002, 04:43 PM

lamest attempt at a cash grab yet.

cheers

Gemini · 11-17-2002, 04:58 PM

So mainstreamers did this "study" (used loosely)

Or...

Name off the ADULT SPONSORS who participated in it. You have 0 credence without that.

Let alone your time of existance, knowledge of the market, and alot more.

iBill was your source of info? This cfh or whoever they are were supposed to be? Either are not knowledgable to give proper 'study' info.

Processors can only hand out collecting knowledge. chargeback info etc. And MAY have been in violation of law if they did that.

So quit repeating the shill BS and trot out REAL info.

But if you get 3 newbies to sign up, you'd make more than the Mickey D's in GA.

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 05:01 PM

I feel you. We'll have a VERY nice booth at this year's InterNEXT show in Vegas. We'll be at Booth #107. Hope to see you there.

SykkBoy · 11-17-2002, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by bigtone68
You all are looking at the seal and are missing what's special about TRUSTED. It employs a objective mathematical algorithm that looks at various types of consumer complaints and assigns an Index score based on these hundreds of variables. Basically...if you suck as a web business you'll have a low score, however if you handle your business you'll have a good index score. This is what drives sales up 30%!

Read the details before casting judgement!

It's still bullshit....what experience do YOU have in this business that determines how "good" a businessperson I am? I have happy affiliates and happy customers...what more do I need? I don't need some traffic leak bullshit seal that costs me $800 a year for that....

once again, just another newbie in this busines trying to make a cash grab....

FWIW, I think the better business bureau is a crock of shit too....

SykkBoy · 11-17-2002, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by bigtone68
I feel you. We'll have a VERY nice booth at this year's InterNEXT show in Vegas. We'll be at Booth #107. Hope to see you there.

hahahaha, anyone else remember the joker a couple years ago who hired David Lee Roth to play a party and had a HUGE presense at InterNext...only to fade away into obscurity......Hanco, I believe it was? but, hey, I did enjoy the David Lee Roth show.......

I still want PROOF of 30% increase in sales...

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 05:06 PM

I usually don't call people names, but the last guy must not have much more than an 8th grade education.

Like I said...it doesn't matter how much EXPERIENCE that we have. The NUMBERS do all of the grading. Basically, it looks at the number of complaints filed against your business and looks at how quickly you answer and resolve the issues. This is being very elementary of course, but I had to drop down to that level to hopefully get you to understand.

Come visit our booth at the InterNext show for more handholding on this. We'll be at Booth #107.

Netrave · 11-17-2002, 06:57 PM

Sounds to me like that Adult Chamber of Commerce. I can't remember who ran it. it was back in 96 or 97.

ZoiNk · 11-17-2002, 07:58 PM

People won't pay for a traffic leak, and who says that I can't go, make a "100% Trusted by ZoiNk Security" logo and put it on ppl's paysites instead and charge $0.01 for a lifetime membership. People don't care about trust, they just wanna jerk off. Simple as that.
ZoiNk

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 08:04 PM

You're wrong. People DO care about trust. For example....will I get to see the content as promised when I login, will you cancel my subscription when requested, etc. Again, it's not just about the seal (see previous posts)....it's about being a responsible adult web merchant.

Stop fartin' around and take your business to the next level.

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-17-2002, 08:11 PM

If I want to be a registered "responsible adult web merchant" I will get an officious sounding domain name, put up a site, create my own seal, and certify myself.

Cost: $15 and a couple of hours work.

Explain how your company could provide something superior to that? The only way your gonna get the sort of market exposure which would make your seal = quality in the minds of even a significant minority of porn surfers is with the cooperation of many big programs and webmasters, or a multi-million dollar international media blitz. The former ain't gonna happen, so how much cash do you have to waste?

Quit now while you're ahead

quiet · 11-17-2002, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by bigtone68
Stop fartin' around and take your business to the next level.

hahaha

frankfortuna · 11-17-2002, 08:18 PM

"Stop fartin' around and take your business to the next level".

You're doing a great job of promoting your service. Spamming GFY and then insulting regular members is certainly not going to grow your "business".

Furthermore, you should really have trademarks before claiming that you do. Perhaps you need to get your own house in order before you start suggesting people "take their business to the next level".

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 08:23 PM

1. We already do have major partners already in place. Stay tuned for the media blitz.

2. Trademarks are already in place...in fact a patent is pending for the Indexing technology.

3. No insults made...you'll be on the bandwagon soon. I give you 2 weeks. ;-)

SpeakEasy · 11-17-2002, 08:23 PM

bigtone68, this is your 2nd spam of this moronic Idea of the day. It;s just about the dumbest thing I've heard ever in the biz. You have succeeded in wasting your time very well, as well as making a complete ASS out of yourself for spaming such a rediculas and worthless Idea.

Sorry if I beat around the buch with my thoughts, next time I'll try to be more to the point.

frankfortuna · 11-17-2002, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by bigtone68
1. We already do have major partners already in place. Stay tuned for the media blitz.

2. Trademarks are already in place...in fact a patent is pending for the Indexing technology.

3. No insults made...you'll be on the bandwagon soon. I give you 2 weeks. ;-)

2. http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f...ate=4103ir.1.1

3. Doubtful.

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-17-2002, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigtone68
1. We already do have major partners already in place. Stay tuned for the media blitz.

2. Trademarks are already in place...in fact a patent is pending for the Indexing technology.

3. No insults made...you'll be on the bandwagon soon. I give you 2 weeks. ;-)

Is it just me, or did that post fail to dispel the black cloud of doom hanging over this guys business?

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 08:28 PM

If it's such a bad idea, then why do we have iBill as our partner? As of this week ALL of their sites will be signed on as members.

Looks like I get the last laugh. Good night all...I have to get up and go to work in the morning. ;-)

frankfortuna · 11-17-2002, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by bigtone68
If it's such a bad idea, then why do we have iBill as our partner? As of this week ALL of their sites will be signed on as members.

Looks like I get the last laugh. Good night all...I have to get up and go to work in the morning. ;-)

Oh really? I know quite a few iBill webmasters and haven't heard a word of this.

I also noticed you ignored the trademark issue. Trademark means more than simply inserting the characters "TM" in superscript next to a name...

quiet · 11-17-2002, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigtone68
If it's such a bad idea, then why do we have iBill as our partner? As of this week ALL of their sites will be signed on as members.

Looks like I get the last laugh. Good night all...I have to get up and go to work in the morning. ;-)

so are you saying that all sites processing with ibill will be forced into paying you 200 bucks a quarter?

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 08:33 PM

Tell them to call their reps in the morning if they haven't heard. I just left Deerfield Beach yesterday. Major annoucement is scheduled for this week.

I'm going to invite all of you guys to our party in Vegas at InterNext. We're throwing down "Dirty South" style!

Night..

SpeakEasy · 11-17-2002, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigtone68
If it's such a bad idea, then why do we have iBill as our partner? As of this week ALL of their sites will be signed on as members.

Looks like I get the last laugh. Good night all...I have to get up and go to work in the morning. ;-)

First of all ibill may back you, but that does NOT mean a site that uses them for processing must also endorse you. Myself and anyone I know that uses ibill will drop them like a bad habit if they for 1 second think I will have any part of this bogus thing you think is a program.

quiet · 11-17-2002, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by bigtone68
Tell them to call their reps in the morning if they haven't heard. I just left Deerfield Beach yesterday. Major annoucement is scheduled for this week.

I'm going to invite all of you guys to our party in Vegas at InterNext. We're throwing down "Dirty South" style!

Night..

answer the question. you've been spamming the boards all day - so let us know. will all ibill clients be forced into paying your ass 200 bucks a quarter?

well?

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

so are you saying that all sites processing with ibill will be forced into paying you 200 bucks a quarter?

No...if you're with iBill you won't have to pay the full $200 per quarter you'll get a pretty significant discount. Call your rep for details. Don't worry...this is all designed to work for you not against you.

Morgan · 11-17-2002, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by bigtone68

No...if you're with iBill you won't have to pay the full $200 per quarter you'll get a pretty significant discount. Call your rep for details. Don't worry...this is all designed to work for you not against you.

Hahah. I wont be using Ibill if this is true.

Fucking funny.

frankfortuna · 11-17-2002, 08:40 PM

Do you not understand what a direct answer is? You seem to be skirting around issues and spreading half-truths.

1. You have no patent or trademarks pending or approved.

2. You cannot directly answer Quiet's question.

frankfortuna · 11-17-2002, 08:40 PM

Oops.

quiet · 11-17-2002, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by bigtone68

No...if you're with iBill you won't have to pay the full $200 per quarter you'll get a pretty significant discount. Call your rep for details. Don't worry...this is all designed to work for you not against you.

you've got to be kidding me. i'll be calling ibill tomorrow to make sure they have an opt out.

even ibill isn't this stupid.

SykkBoy · 11-17-2002, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by bigtone68
I usually don't call people names, but the last guy must not have much more than an 8th grade education.

Like I said...it doesn't matter how much EXPERIENCE that we have. The NUMBERS do all of the grading. Basically, it looks at the number of complaints filed against your business and looks at how quickly you answer and resolve the issues. This is being very elementary of course, but I had to drop down to that level to hopefully get you to understand.

Come visit our booth at the InterNext show for more handholding on this. We'll be at Booth #107.

easy there LittleTony....

It DOES matter how much experience you have....you're asking for $800 of MY money....should I fork that over to some newbie with the next big idea, who I don't even know? YOU have to build the trust factor, not US....you want us to trust you with $800 (that money could be me 30-40 more banners or another tour to make me more money (from people I TRUST)...pardon me for not being some gullible fucking newbie who will take your word for it that you have MY interests at heart....it matters because some magical algorithm doesn't mean shit if YOU (the company providing this seal of approval) don't even know what this business is about...so, tell us, how long have YOU been in the adult business? You come here wanting our money, you need to be prepared to back it up with facts...

As for education, you need to educte yourself about this business..unlike the pinheads in "mainstream" who forked over a ton of money to idiots selling dogshit online, we don't just fall for and throw money at the next "big idea that'll revolutionaize the adult Internet"...see, the adult business is a close tightknit community and if you aren't part of it, you're probably not going to have any/much success...a big, shiny booth at InterNext means NOTHING....REPUTATION and TRUST mean EVERYTHING...

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-17-2002, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigtone68
If it's such a bad idea, then why do we have iBill as our partner?

Better hope they don't read this thread, because that may change after they see how you've conducted yourself.

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 08:48 PM

Ohhh so now you want me to talk about it??? hahaha

I'm on the phone with Marc Cohen at iBill right now. He says that anyone that has questions about this partnership and how it will affect them should call him. His number is 888-237-1764 x. 4633

quiet · 11-17-2002, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by bigtone68
Ohhh so now you want me to talk about it??? hahaha

I'm on the phone with Marc Cohen at iBill right now. He says that anyone that has questions about this partnership and how it will affect them should call him. His number is 888-237-1764 x. 4633

just to confirm - you (bigtone68) are saying there is no opt out? that is the only thing i'm interested in.

opt out. yes or no?

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 08:54 PM

That's up to iBill...talk to Marc.

SpeakEasy · 11-17-2002, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

just to confirm - you (bigtone68) are saying there is no opt out? that is the only thing i'm interested in.

opt out. yes or no?

Exactly, not 1 other word except YES or NO to an opt out???

Morgan · 11-17-2002, 09:04 PM

If you get a bad score, you can pay more and upgrade your rating.

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 09:06 PM

No...you can't pay to upgrade your rating. There is no way to do it. We can't even do it because it involves a series of mathmatical calculations.

frankfortuna · 11-17-2002, 09:10 PM

Mathmatical calculation, the one that you have the "pending" patent on?

It would appear the name of your organization has already become a bit of an oxymoron, as it seems you've told one lie already.

NetRodent · 11-17-2002, 09:12 PM

Looks like the feedback is overwhelmingly negative, although it seems like a good deal of that negativity is due to your inablity to answer a direct question.

You are right, people do care about trust. However, before you can say if a site is trust worthy or not, people have to trust you. So far I see no particular reason why the public should trust you. If you respond to the public like you have responded to this thread, I think your "Seal" on a page would be a liablity.

It shall be interesting watching this play out. We don't have enough information yet to make an informed decision, but as of now I am leaning towards opting out.

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by frankfortuna
Mathmatical calculation, the one that you have the "pending" patent on?

It would appear the name of your organization has already become a bit of an oxymoron, as it seems you've told one lie already.

No lies...we have sent in our patent request. You know how the gov't is...slow. It may be 3 years before we actually get a patent.

frankfortuna · 11-17-2002, 09:14 PM

Dude, in my line of work I use the TESS system quite often. Pending and approved applications are promptly indexed. You have neither.

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by NetRodent
Looks like the feedback is overwhelmingly negative, although it seems like a good deal of that negativity is due to your inablity to answer a direct question.

You are right, people do care about trust. However, before you can say if a site is trust worthy or not, people have to trust you. So far I see no particular reason why the public should trust you. If you respond to the public like you have responded to this thread, I think your "Seal" on a page would be a liablity.

It shall be interesting watching this play out. We don't have enough information yet to make an informed decision, but as of now I am leaning towards opting out.

I can appreciate your sincere advice, but what really matters for you is will this help make you money? The answer is YES. That is why iBill is all over this.

bigtone68 · 11-17-2002, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by frankfortuna
Dude, in my line of work I use the TESS system quite often. Pending and approved applications are promptly indexed. You have neither.

I'll have my attorney check into this. Believe me...we would have launched this to the public without first covering our backside.

11-17-2002, 08:37 AM	#3
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	I really do need objective feedback. Thanks. __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 11:17 AM	#6
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	who the fuck is CFH Entertprises? what sites do they own? what makes them "experts" in determining a site's trustworthiness? I want to see PROOF of this 30% increase Awards were a great little extra traffic leak tool in 1997, but don't really fly much now... If a webmaster really wants a "seal of approval" from a site deemed honest by BOTH surfers and webmasters, Jane's Guide is MUCH better and it doesn't cost $200 for the "honor" of being listed... I can just see the fun of people reporting the "untrustworthiness" of their competitors...or some freeloading surfer bitch complaining about exit consoles...or coming to a scat site and bitching "There's not enough poo!" or lack of hardcore explicit pics on a tour.... these "verifiers"..what experience do they have? what programs/sites do they run? I surely don't want some glorified surfer getting me for $200 to give my site a going over when they don't own/operate any sits of their own... __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

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bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	You all are looking at the seal and are missing what's special about TRUSTED. It employs a objective mathematical algorithm that looks at various types of consumer complaints and assigns an Index score based on these hundreds of variables. Basically...if you suck as a web business you'll have a low score, however if you handle your business you'll have a good index score. This is what drives sales up 30%! Read the details before casting judgement! __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 07:56 AM	#1
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	New Reliability Seal Program for Adult Sites - Need Feedback Please Adult Webmasters, CFH Enterprises has developed a new business reliability seal program for adult websites that not only increases adult website membership signups by up to 30% (proven documentable fact), but also incorporates probably THE most generous and participative revenue sharing program in existence! The program is called TRUSTEDAdult? and can be found at www.trustedadult.org . The program was just launched on Nov. 1 2002. We are, however, very interested in your feedback. Please be honest! Thanks. Bigtone Additional Info: What is TRUSTEDAdult?? Today?s advances in technology and the development of e-commerce have made the lives of the consumer and the business owner much easier. However, these advances have also reduced the intimacy between consumers and businesses that formerly existed. While consumers are now able to fulfill the majority of their needs from the comfort of their own homes via the Internet, they often struggle with concerns that they did not have in the ?old days? like: Where is this company located? What happens if I am dissatisfied with the product or service I have received? Is my privacy really protected? How promptly have other customer issues been resolved? Unless a business is a super mega-entity whose brand is undoubtedly recognized and totally undisputed, these consumer issues can pose a problem and even hinder potential sales. TRUSTEDAdult? is dedicated to restoring the integrity of the crucial relationship between consumers and adult oriented businesses so that both can benefit from the ease of e-commerce. The presence of a TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal on a website quickly demonstrates to potential consumers that the business has fulfilled TRUSTEDAdult??s membership guidelines and that there is a third party evaluating the site?s activities and customer satisfaction. Clicking on the TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal for a particular site links potential consumers to a page on the TRUSTEDAdult? website that rates the business based on details provided by consumers and the business? response to those issues. Thus, the presence of a TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal demonstrates not only that the company is dedicated to dependability and customer satisfaction, it also lets potential consumers know to the extent that this business can be?well? TRUSTEDAdult?! What is the TRUSTEDIndex?? The TRUSTEDIndex? is a proprietary patent pending rating system developed exclusively for TRUSTED? and TRUSTEDAdult?. Clicking on the TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal of a web site will take the potential customer the TRUSTEDIndex? page for the site, allowing allowing him/her to see how this business has been rated based on issues raised by previous customers and its promptness in responding to and resolving these issues. This page will display the index number given to that particular business, demonstrating its success in dealing with customer issues in various categories such as privacy, security and/or customer satisfaction. In addition, the page will also outline the particular areas where the business has resolved/unresolved issues. You can see a sample TRUSTEDIndex? page by clicking here: http://www.trustedadult.org/verify/s....asp?ai=100204 How does the TRUSTEDAdult? RevShare? program work? A TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal will not only quickly pay for itself; it can also become very lucrative! Here?s how: Tier 1 Accounts: 10% recurring commission Once you are approved for a TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal for your site, you are automatically entered into TRUSTEDAdult??s RevShare program. Thus, if someone applies for a TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal through your site and is approved, you will automatically earn a 10% commission. This 10% commission is not just a one time thing? you earn 10% each quarter that the website is billed. This means recurring income every three months! But there?s more? Tier 2 Accounts: 5% recurring commission Once someone signs up and receives a TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal through your site, they are also automatically entered into our RevShare program ? and you earn a 5% commission for sign ups generated from these sites as well! This commission is also distributed quarterly. PLUS... Tier 3 Accounts: 1% commission Sign ups generated from Tier 2 accounts will earn you a 1% commission ? and you haven?t even put in any work! Yes, once again, these commissions are also recurring? To better illustrate this process, we will use the following example: let?s say that the your TRUSTEDAdult? reliability seal generates just 20 Tier 1 sign ups per quarter, and that each of those generate 20 Tier 2 sign ups and so on... Sign ups Qtrly Commission Your Tier 1 (10% commission) 20 $400 Your Tier 2 (5% commission) 400 $4,000 Your Tier 3 (1% commission) 8,000 $16,000 Total Quarterly Commission $ 20,400 See how a mere $200 investment can EASILY generate a potential income of $20,000 per quarter? That?s more than 100 times your initial investment!!!! What?s more, you don?t even have to put any real work into the program ? the seal sells itself! __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 08:03 AM	#2
Netrave Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cleveland Posts: 37	"I am probably spamming" Yes, and in grand style at that.

11-17-2002, 10:13 AM	#4
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	PONZI PONZI PONZI I tried for online Better Business Bureau approval. They laughed at me. That would be meaningful, a multilevel scam based on payouts would be even more laughable.

11-17-2002, 10:52 AM	#5
Sambuka Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: - Posts: 500	Thats the biggest fucking joke i've ready lately. Who the fuck do you really think is going to pay you $200 every 3 months for NOTHING. I mean I can register Trusted--adult.com and make up some bullshit page like you would of made up for me and use it on any sites I want. I think you'd have a hard enough time giving your product away let alone SELLING it. >>Increase Sales. Recent studies have shown that sites with >>reliability seals increase sales up to 30% because consumers >>are more likely to complete the online sales process with >>companies in whom they have confidence. Yeah I bet those stats were taking from something like YAHOO or EBay, and in those instances YES more people can trust the name and so would signup, but its total bullshit to think that having a little TRUSTadult button is going to do any good at all. I can make one of those upmyself and a site like yours in 1 hour. Sammy

11-17-2002, 04:43 PM	#10
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	lamest attempt at a cash grab yet. cheers __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

11-17-2002, 04:58 PM	#11
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	So mainstreamers did this "study" (used loosely) Or... Name off the ADULT SPONSORS who participated in it. You have 0 credence without that. Let alone your time of existance, knowledge of the market, and alot more. iBill was your source of info? This cfh or whoever they are were supposed to be? Either are not knowledgable to give proper 'study' info. Processors can only hand out collecting knowledge. chargeback info etc. And MAY have been in violation of law if they did that. So quit repeating the shill BS and trot out REAL info. But if you get 3 newbies to sign up, you'd make more than the Mickey D's in GA.

11-17-2002, 05:01 PM	#12
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	I feel you. We'll have a VERY nice booth at this year's InterNEXT show in Vegas. We'll be at Booth #107. Hope to see you there. __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 05:06 PM	#15
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	I usually don't call people names, but the last guy must not have much more than an 8th grade education. Like I said...it doesn't matter how much EXPERIENCE that we have. The NUMBERS do all of the grading. Basically, it looks at the number of complaints filed against your business and looks at how quickly you answer and resolve the issues. This is being very elementary of course, but I had to drop down to that level to hopefully get you to understand. Come visit our booth at the InterNext show for more handholding on this. We'll be at Booth #107. __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 06:57 PM	#16
Netrave Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cleveland Posts: 37	Sounds to me like that Adult Chamber of Commerce. I can't remember who ran it. it was back in 96 or 97.

11-17-2002, 07:58 PM	#17
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	People won't pay for a traffic leak, and who says that I can't go, make a "100% Trusted by ZoiNk Security" logo and put it on ppl's paysites instead and charge $0.01 for a lifetime membership. People don't care about trust, they just wanna jerk off. Simple as that. ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

11-17-2002, 08:04 PM	#18
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	You're wrong. People DO care about trust. For example....will I get to see the content as promised when I login, will you cancel my subscription when requested, etc. Again, it's not just about the seal (see previous posts)....it's about being a responsible adult web merchant. Stop fartin' around and take your business to the next level. __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 08:11 PM	#19
Sunshine McGillicutty So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: California Posts: 475	If I want to be a registered "responsible adult web merchant" I will get an officious sounding domain name, put up a site, create my own seal, and certify myself. Cost: $15 and a couple of hours work. Explain how your company could provide something superior to that? The only way your gonna get the sort of market exposure which would make your seal = quality in the minds of even a significant minority of porn surfers is with the cooperation of many big programs and webmasters, or a multi-million dollar international media blitz. The former ain't gonna happen, so how much cash do you have to waste? Quit now while you're ahead Last edited by Sunshine McGillicutty; 11-17-2002 at 08:17 PM..

11-17-2002, 08:18 PM	#21
frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	"Stop fartin' around and take your business to the next level". You're doing a great job of promoting your service. Spamming GFY and then insulting regular members is certainly not going to grow your "business". Furthermore, you should really have trademarks before claiming that you do. Perhaps you need to get your own house in order before you start suggesting people "take their business to the next level". Last edited by frankfortuna; 11-17-2002 at 08:19 PM..

11-17-2002, 08:23 PM	#22
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	1. We already do have major partners already in place. Stay tuned for the media blitz. 2. Trademarks are already in place...in fact a patent is pending for the Indexing technology. 3. No insults made...you'll be on the bandwagon soon. I give you 2 weeks. ;-) __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 08:23 PM	#23
SpeakEasy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Internet Posts: 2,681	bigtone68, this is your 2nd spam of this moronic Idea of the day. It;s just about the dumbest thing I've heard ever in the biz. You have succeeded in wasting your time very well, as well as making a complete ASS out of yourself for spaming such a rediculas and worthless Idea. Sorry if I beat around the buch with my thoughts, next time I'll try to be more to the point.

11-17-2002, 08:28 PM	#26
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	If it's such a bad idea, then why do we have iBill as our partner? As of this week ALL of their sites will be signed on as members. Looks like I get the last laugh. Good night all...I have to get up and go to work in the morning. ;-) __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 08:33 PM	#29
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	Tell them to call their reps in the morning if they haven't heard. I just left Deerfield Beach yesterday. Major annoucement is scheduled for this week. I'm going to invite all of you guys to our party in Vegas at InterNext. We're throwing down "Dirty South" style! Night.. __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 08:40 PM	#34
frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	Do you not understand what a direct answer is? You seem to be skirting around issues and spreading half-truths. 1. You have no patent or trademarks pending or approved. 2. You cannot directly answer Quiet's question.

11-17-2002, 08:48 PM	#39
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	Ohhh so now you want me to talk about it??? hahaha I'm on the phone with Marc Cohen at iBill right now. He says that anyone that has questions about this partnership and how it will affect them should call him. His number is 888-237-1764 x. 4633 __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 08:54 PM	#41
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	That's up to iBill...talk to Marc. __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 09:04 PM	#43
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	If you get a bad score, you can pay more and upgrade your rating. __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

11-17-2002, 09:06 PM	#44
bigtone68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 73	No...you can't pay to upgrade your rating. There is no way to do it. We can't even do it because it involves a series of mathmatical calculations. __________________ Bigtone Marketing Dude

11-17-2002, 09:10 PM	#45
frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	Mathmatical calculation, the one that you have the "pending" patent on? It would appear the name of your organization has already become a bit of an oxymoron, as it seems you've told one lie already.

11-17-2002, 09:12 PM	#46
NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	Looks like the feedback is overwhelmingly negative, although it seems like a good deal of that negativity is due to your inablity to answer a direct question. You are right, people do care about trust. However, before you can say if a site is trust worthy or not, people have to trust you. So far I see no particular reason why the public should trust you. If you respond to the public like you have responded to this thread, I think your "Seal" on a page would be a liablity. It shall be interesting watching this play out. We don't have enough information yet to make an informed decision, but as of now I am leaning towards opting out. __________________ "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --H.L. Mencken Last edited by NetRodent; 11-17-2002 at 09:13 PM..

11-17-2002, 09:14 PM	#48
frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	Dude, in my line of work I use the TESS system quite often. Pending and approved applications are promptly indexed. You have neither.