stfu ass hole and don't play semantics with me, you can't possibly be that stupid

try to have a decent business thread and the idiots are out in full force, jeez!

No shit, i like John Wayne's movies :)

Come down i was just saying Your thread title is missleading :thumbsup

I hear what you're saying BV. I would never go to the time, trouble, and expense of furnishing and hosting FLVs to affiliates.

Your sites rock by the way, :thumbsup

Look there are so many different ways of doing tubes. "Tube" is just a name for the content delivery and surfing method for those kinds of sites, though the scope and different ways of working within that model are huge.

Yes I do make reasonable money from my fairly large tube site. I take submits and only list around 20 a day from the 100+ submits I get, and don't approve anything that is too long (usually 5mins is max). From my own videos on my tube I convert an average of 1:200 just from clicks on the clickable field I allow submitters.

Its not guys like me who are hurting the industry, its the selfish pricks and idiots uploading 20 min clips, or the assholes with stolen content. Anyone with half a brain knows thats not a winning business model. You give them a few mins of reduced quality video and leave them wanting more ... they get the sample and if they like what they see they will signup! Its a great model if done correctly.

Methinks BV would probably choke or turn green if he heard some of the results from tubes.. That's ok tho.. if he doesn't want to use them all the more for everyone else :)

Why isn't anyone selling those spots then?

So many videos are on the illegal tube sites with the paysite's watermark. Why aren't programs enjoying a golden age of sign ups from all the type-ins if tube sites convert so well?

I agree, you'll find a few tubesite-paysite combos that work (I have) but you can hardly make a blanket statement that more often than not they send good traffic to paysites. It's just not the reality.

Too many people have found a few combos like I mentioned above and think they've cracked the secret code or something.

show me then

do you see any sponsors in here saying their making all sorts of sales off their flvs from tubes? no you dont

i have a hundred or more tube sites using my videos

did you read where i said their sales to my sites don't even register on the radar?

i think you are not comprehending this thread. it's been pointed out a few times. ( my poor thread title)

i have no doubt tubes are making money (just not for the paysites where they get their content!!!)

they make it by add spots they sell (like what your probably referring too) as well as dating and cams

TUBE SITES ARE NOT MAKING ANY BIG PROFITS FOR PAYSITES WHAT SO EVER

i'm sure their are a few exceptions but you get my point

the business model sucks

Why are you promoting a webmasterprogram on your tube?

it not really a webmaster program it
MLM scheme that turns surfers into webmasters.

Cuz it's fucking easy to get rich in porn, haven't you heard. GRIP is the manifestation of the dp/bhw ebook type get rich selling how to get rich crap in an adult framework.

I'm not an affiliate, I work with a program (a CLOSED program) and we have seen ratios of 1:200 or better on some of the big tubes (pushing directly to the site). And THAT is the truth. It's all about how you go about it.

I was going to say something but its not worth it. I lose more and more faith in this industry daily.

Did you not read what he said.. He said giving them the video didn't result in worthwhile sales for his paysites. However what was the last tube you saw that wasn't plastered with dating and cam site links.

Meaning these tubes take advantage of the free content not really worrying too much about sending sales to the sites giving the free content. Rather they are making their money from cams, dating and selling ad space.

TBH I could have told you thing before. MGP surfers were always the biggest group of free loaders in adult. It would only make logical sense to guess that tube surfers would be even bigger free loaders.

There is no industry. It really is every man for himself, more now than ever.

why are you even in this thread then?

this has nothing to do with you, run along now...

PS: You and your 1:200 ratio is full of shit :2 cents:

why would surfers leave a big tube site with full free videos to go to another site and pay for the same thing? they might sign up to dating and cams sites but they're not going to buy porn that's for sure.

do we talk about 1-5 min promo content or 5-25 min promo content?

cause as someone wrote here, the big tubes were bragging to be bought out, while some of them werent even profitable (it was stated in some interview here, when "sometube.com" guy asked for 20 milion dollars, while running in loss :1orglaugh )

So um...

Why is it that brazzers runs several huge tube sites featuring their own content?

The thing I've noticed is no one is posting their stats of how well their tube is converting for their sponsors providing the clips....

dont do the same as everyone else..

opening a tube in this moment if the worst move you could ever do... conversions suck so much... the worst conversions ever, belong to tubes... if you put the bw expenses, then you are breaking even.. not even makign a profit..

Talking about Tubes, anyone know of any DATING sites giving out FULL embeddable FLV files? They monetize via dating upsells.

Saying you convert 1:200 is very misleading, because how many page views does it take to actually get a sale on the video page?

The reason you would see a ratio like that is because not many of your surfers are ever going to pay for a membership. Most are free loaders that will never buy. The very few that actually do click through are likely already pre sorted.

It's the same deal with spammers.. They send out millions of e-mails yet they can get ratios that are 1:30. If a surfer is dumb enough to click a e-mail spam link, they are already very likely to buy a membership.

The simple fact is tubes don't push the same kind of click through to tours as say a gallery may. However just because the ratio is lower than a average doesn't mean the bulk of the traffic is better than say gallery traffic. Because it takes many more page views to get those limited few click thoughs.

and you wont see any either :2 cents:

How many tens of thousands of people watch the videos as free loaders vs the very few that actually click through to the tour. Check that stat and you will see how valuable the traffic is and what it's doing to this industry.

Ratio means jack shit with tubes.. Just like it means jack shit with e-mail spammers..

The same argument came from, the babelog sites that used everyone's content to sell 50 adds all over the gallery pages. They would claim real low raito's just like you are claiming with the tubes. However the reality of it is there would only be 1 tiny little link under on the gallery page, meanwhile there would be 50 other links on the gallery page.

The few surfers that actually found the links were likely looking for it which caused the ratio's to be good.. The truth of the matter is the babelogs didn't give jack shit about sending sign up they were just a bonus. They were interested in using the content to generate traffic in order to sell dating,cams and ad spots.

Which is the same thing many of the tubes do.

Too late sig spot...

We have some affiliates doing good conversions. maybe someone will post

Your a fucking dumb, ignorant, arrogant piece of white trash.

My squirtbukkakes.com website alone makes $600-$1000 a month .

Tube sites are a smart way to get eyes on your service, product or debate .

Don't listen to kids like this fucker!

If you use the same content everyone else has of course it isn't going to sell. Try some original content.

good point, ilegal tubes dont care

:Oh crap

Very well said my man!

how much can tube sites earn if they have 10k daily UV? any ideas?

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

Exactly.

CTRs at tube sites are very low, and tend to get even lower quickly.

Ratios are often not so bad, but that doesn't mean jack shit because only a small fraction of viewers are actually clicking, compared to the traditional advertising medias like galleries etc. And those who are clicking were probably the ones already interested, if they found that small text link to a paysite buried somewhere inbetween huge dating and cum sites ads.

Tubes can send only maybe like 20% of the traffic to paysites, compared to what say tgp can send, given they have an equal amount of daily unique visitors. Hence, tubes as the main advertising media can only support 20% of what the industry is now (or what's left of it) - and that is if they ALL turned legal all of a sudden, which is not going to happen.

tubes on your mind this morning?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

average ctr on tubes that account for 40% of the tube market is roughly 0.645%. average cpm on those sites are roughly .32-.35 per cpm. do the math.

i set up www.deadmad.com

Targetting US you will see results like that from the big tubes :2 cents:

Actually legal tube sites ARE mgp's. :2 cents:

Tube sites are worth nothing unless they pay on advertising. The more tubes out there from silly idiots trying to be something they are not then its bad news. Ill agree with you!

But for companies like uporn and other similar, well, companies producing legit, good content have a place to advertise while surfers enjoy. The other tubes that only hold content for the larger companies are wasting their time.

Not a problem either way..... Its content we have seen before.

For a general tube, not very much..

lol.. yes everyone keep building tube sites like idiots...

that will give us, some advantage...

Thank you.

I have posted some stats in the past, and tube CTR is higher than all my other sites, blogs, tgp CTR.

:2 cents:

I've already made sales off my tube site.. and it gets ONLY internal traffic right now.... so you must be doing it wrong, because I have the referring links to prove that my tube domain is making sales...

I wouldn't plunk down $125 for a tube script if I didn't have hard evidence that it wasn't going to make any money. Yes I ran a free script for a year before converting it over to a professional tube script.

Tube sites don't begin big money until they are receiving a good deal of traffic. Then you are able to sell the advertising and such and not rely on straight sales.

Nope they are way better. Especially for the owner.

and the bonus in that case he wont have to pay affiliates. :Oh crap

BV has original content....sorry to be late in the game...but he has some good shit