January 2009 was down 34% from January 2008 in adult. Mainstream has dropped off 22%. The only positive is the ability to buy up smaller sites not putting up the numbers. When the economy bounces back I hope to be sitting with double the assets I have today :)

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Great post. I've always liked the micro payments idea.

I'd say I'm 50% down

actually Im kicking ass with my get rich in porn systems,but my paysites have dropped alot except for InkandPink.com and agedandseasoned.

so what type of traffic converts for you now? Ill put some money to see how your doing no prob. I have a shit load of SE traffic its all i buy anymore google,yahoo shit all of them,I
spend about 30K a month on SE.
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dont get me wrong I love your stuff but just the other day jerked of to a couple of your girls free on pornhub no lie. Ihave moneyand wont pay wonder how the surfers feel

also I have a few tgp's and a new tube getting all SE traffic. just let me know where to send to and Ill do it if your converting great now while others arnt.

I totally agree with you about the changing consumer. But some sites are already adjusting to it. Isn't this C4S you're describing??? or xtube? or Rude? or FindanAmateur? I think they all have the qualities you're describing and C4S has been up for years ...

You and me both.

Tubes uuuuuuuuup!

Funny how you always pretend to be some big player yet it's clear you don't have a clue what the fuck you're doing because:

1: You spam the fuck out of the forums because you desperatly need affiliates. You look so desperate often i almost feel bad for you.
2: your comment quoted above shows what a retard loser you are with no clue about this business. Just because you can't make sales doesn't mean others can't. Actually many people do better than before and that's because many people are smarter than you.
3: Every time you owe someone money, even 100 bucks, they have to chase you for months.
4: Notoldschool agreed with you, that alone already makes you a loser.

You may have done well a few years ago where ever every big mouth retard faggot like you could fart and make a 1000 bucks with it on the internet but this is clearly ending as you just admitted. 1 or 2 more years and pieces of shit with no brains will be gone. Thank god.

The same goes for people like Jay. They started making money the right way when everything was more simple. Started some paysites, ran a honest operation and as time got harder he got more greedy and started pulling all kinds of shit on the surfers just to make sure he will get as much money as possible today! 2 prechecked cross sales hidden under the sign up button, you name it. Charge 150 bucks today of a surfer because it's the only way people like him are/were still able to make money. Too greedy and dumb to realize that he was killing his own future of potential members.

And now look what has become of him. It's no different than the noob who just get's into this industry without a clue and starts asking if there's money to be made here.

People like Jay will also be gone soon.

well, I don't know what C4S is, but xtube and rude are a mess. Specifically dealing with paysites, I check this board and thebestporn often to see what's new...and there is nothing..every program launches a shitload of sites trying to appeal to different niches and they update maybe once a weak, offer the same old shit(i.e. teens taking big dick,MILFs fucking black dudes---whatever)..it's the same ol same ol...the sites are usually small and nothing new... that worked 5 years ago, but is not what the web has become.
Programs have to learn to build a brand that people like and trust, and then give the surfer exactly what they want. What do surfers want?
They want a constantly updating network and some "cred"(check my original post)...that's it in the nutshell.
tubes update around 10 new vids a day, is there a paysite that does this? nope
so why would you expect a surfer to want to join a paysite.
Surfers don't seem to care about quality(to a point at least) and I have yet to see anybody watch a porn all the way through... the way people have changed their expectations with the web...is they want whats new...and they want alot of it.
In todays climate, paysites can't/won't deliver this, so the model is dead. The only way I see this surviving in the long run is for paysites to change their practices.
1. learn to shoot more scenes with variety on the same shoot..creating more updates instead of just the one scene.
2. Create an interactive enviroment within your paysite. Hire some people to pretend they are models and have a forum where they post..this gives the surfer more of the illusion that the site is constantly changing.
3 Quit with the fucking cross sales! if your product is great, why in the hell are you trying to trick the surfer into purchasing something else(and you are trying to trick them.)
4.Stop offering massive affiliate payouts that make you do #3. Yes you will get alot of dumbasses to sign up for your program...but the smart webmasters who will actually make you sales in the long run, won't promote you. If your product sells, I don't care if I only make $5 dollars revshare...as long as those members keep rebilling and you convert. Is it really better to make $100 off of 1/9000 or make $5 revshare off of 1/300 and have a ton of rebills.
5. Start creating more of a relationship with your affiliates. I have encountered maybe 1 out of 100 good affiliate managers. This is not a hard job, get some software to help your affiliate managers deal with affiliates(I worked sales for a drum company awhile back ago and my territory was the entire US, it's not hard to do if you have good software--I used Goldmine).. and start actually helping affiliates that have some potential to grow... nobody does that...programs are only concerned with the whales...while you have to cater to them, this is not a long term strategy for growth.
6. Lower your membership costs and figure out a way to incorporate micropayments. No one wants to pay $40 or $30 bucks for a membership anymore...so stop it. Just a thought on how to incorporate micro payments(I will use some terminology from games-since that is what I am working on now) would be to have a money (i.e. "tokens") system on your paysite where people could buy tokens and then get rewards for them, maybe the reward is getting certain updates early, or maybe the reward is an exclusive vid, or maybe you work it out with a cam company where the reward is minutes, or maybe it's a signed t-shirt by one of your models, or maybe its they could buy the dildo the model used on a shoot....I could keep going, the possibilities are endless

anyhoo, have a ton more ideas, but sick of typing and no one will probably listen anyways

Dood, we've had prechecked xsales since day 1. We also have options to remove them for a lower payout. Almost every single prgram out there has at least 1 prechecked and most have 2. Where have you been?

It was that way long before I even entered this paysite game. It was even more nasty in the 1999-2001 era. Things are actually much tamer now.

You are the one who sounds like a noob.

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As always you're right away pointing your fingers to others. Everything you do wrong is ok because others are doing it as well. You do this in real life as well? Never taking responsibility for your actions?

Anyway, you can say all you want but the fact that you started this thread says enough.

you are the idiot I bet I make 10 times more then you now... I never said I wasnt making money just my paysites arnt doing as well. unlike you I have been doing this for 12 years and know how to make alot of money online.

I dont even need affiliates you dumb fuck I changed my business model couple years ago. all my traffic now is SE and some smart affiliates who send me traffic which is just extra.

Sorry you arnt making money you have to try and slam me when you have no clue at all.
like I said lets compare anything you want houses,cars bank accounts just name it.

I dont know who the big players are anymore and dont care cause I make my money and more then you for sure:2 cents:

I bet i will be here much longer then you unless i decide to retire. I feel sorry for you I really do.
dont feel sorry for me I'm successful and not worried as I'm making more then 95% of the people in the biz

2 words: zip sets

DirtyF is an idiot who hates everyone who does better then him..he just tries to get a rise out of players since he has nothing but a small GFY following. I bet he is on meds for stress etc.

Jay he's got almost 50k post think he makes money LOL hes to busy talking shit lol

Congrats now this sounds real. Unlike Dirty frank who will be broke before 2010 in the adult game
Keep it up things will get better business always has its ups and downs like life.

The primary billers for adult tend to be really bitchy about micropayments. Even low dollar trials turn their risk management off. Maybe because the chargeback risk is the same, but the possible rewards are lower, not sure.

yes, but couldn't you work with a biller on the fact that the micropayments would be billed to already paying customers(based on my scenarios above)...therefore having a WAY lower chargeback ratio(my guess it would be almost non exisitent since the only people signing up for these micropayments are already paying customers)

100 new sales

Yeah, really any small charage, be it $1.00 or $29.95 is counted as one charge. Thus, small changes would bring down your CB ratio.

10 years ago I worked every waking second, barely any other sites or webmasters to compete with and I made over 1000 a day.

now I work from 8-40 hours a week and I feel like a grain of sand in our solar system.. yet I still make 30% of what I did 10 years ago.

its less but I can't complain really.

I understand what yer sayin, and you are way more experienced than I...but isn't it a fact that once a customer has already payed and a member they are WAY less likely to charge back? and also the fact that they would be way less likely to chargeback a small charge? ..again all this is based on the scenarios from my previous post where members pay a small membership fee and then can "upgrade" features on their account(like getting upgrades quicker) or get items(like clothes from the shoot)...also based on my previous post, if you implemented a token type system, the end user could purchase $10,$20,$50 dollars worth of tokens and then spend them at their leisure...creating a faux micropayment system where they buy $20 worth of tokens, but it's not spent until they use them.
just brainstorming

A rebill is a sale too. The best kind. :winkwink:

and those are my favorite kind of sales...if I didn't have them I think I might be homeless right now....I just wish companies would be more innovative on getting them instead of worrying about the initial sale

This thread is full of FAIL and xxxjay is a moron.

- One of the poll options is 200%


Hey moron, if you sales are 100% off, that means you are making 0 sales.

If your sales are 200% off, that means you actually OWE a shitload of sales to the sponsor.

http://www.darksidedata.com/rolleyes.gif

How it would be 200% down? 100% debt?

Same question at the same time, lol

The companines that will flourish are the ones at a time like this that can really differentiate themselves from their competators..there's so much cookie cutter crap and people aren't happy with that anymore.. because of the economic situation, they are more discriminating, and the industry's years of providing them with crap are coming back to bite them in the ass.

Totally with you there. Btw, hit me up been looking for you for a while! Thanks :)

Jesus christ, and i thought i was the only one !
Here too mate. 11 years online. I miss the Xpics days. NO CONVERTION and like what, 18 cents/click if i recall (can you imagine)

Of course you'll see "I make more money" at the top of the survey.
80% of the webmasters in here have been working in porn for less than 3 years, no wonder !
If you were making 300$/month and now you make 500$ WOW dude, congrats :Oh crap

The bills of running such a biz are getting bigger and bigger.
100's of domains, softwares, servers, vps, bandwidth etc...

FUCKING RIGHT :mad:
No wonder i'm up and it's 3am here (can't sleep)
0 new sales yesterday, only rebills.
Second times this happens in years.:upsidedow

You need to contact me

and that's what a lot of people seem to forget..

Very true.

so far february doesn't look too good...

let's how it will when it ends...

Business is so bad. You all should get out of the business.

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