Choker (chickentraffic.com) are you selling traffic to tube8 & xhamster?

[crockett]

After choker's many delightful posts about how great tube traffic is and how it's the next best thing since sliced bread, I decided to check out the traffic he has for sale.

http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=14


My what a surprise it was to see that the first few sites I checked were sending traffic to tube8.com and xhamster.com. Two sites full of stolen members area content.

check for your self...

http://www.homemadesextube.com/
http://www.longporntube.com/
http://www.tubesexclips.com/
http://www.rawgonzo.com/

Why Choker if legit tube sites are doing so good and the traffic is so great, then why does it seem most of your traffic is being sold to illegal tube sites that steal content from this industry?

Why are you making money of sites that steal content from members of this board? I now understand why you say content is worthless because you are sending traffic to sites that make content worthless.

btw I don't do many drama topics, but I'm getting fucking sick of this BS..

[fris]

the sites listing the tube8 and xhamster they are being paid to list them.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by fris

the sites listing the tube8 and xhamster they are being paid to list them.

The sites are listed on chickentraffic.com as sites he is selling traffic for. I dunno if he owns them or not but I assume so, being the logos looks the same as some of his other sites he's posted.

Reguardless he is selling traffic to or buying it from sites listing nothing but illegal tube videos.

[CaptainHowdy]

Just passing by...

[beerptrol]

When I go to http://www.tubesexclips.com/ it looks like the clips are either from tube8 or xhamster

[BV]

Now you know why all the tgp and mgp sites are dieng off.

All the big traffic brokers are selling it to the tubes that are giving away full length clips. Stolen or not it doesnt matter, they are killing the adult market just like Craig's List killed the Newspaper Classified add biz model.

BV

[crockett]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

When I go to http://www.tubesexclips.com/ it looks like the clips are either from tube8 or xhamster

Yes that's what I'm pointing out.. All the sites I posted above are sites listed on chicken traffic's websites as places they sell traffic for.

Of course there is the possibility that those sites belong to a reseller whom he is selling traffic for.. However that means he had to approve those sites as resellers and almost certainly knows what they are doing.

I'm sure he could use the rogue reseller excuse or his server got hacked, or he slipped and a giant dildo got shoved up his ass excuse.. Or he's not doing a very good job at checking his resellers sites meaning who knows where the traffic he's selling comes from..

In the end, regardless of what ever excuse there is, he is involved at least by proxy with illegal tube sites that are fucking over this industry. I mean if I can check the first few sites he has listed and see this, why doesn't he know about it if it's a reseller?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by BV

Now you know why all the tgp and mgp sites are dieng off.

All the big traffic brokers are selling it to the tubes that are giving away full length clips. Stolen or not it doesnt matter, they are killing the adult market just like Craig's List killed the Newspaper Classified add biz model.

BV

Well to be honest MGP traffic has been worthless for quite some time, mainly because of sites that were built to sell traffic to brokers. There were just so many of those shit sites out there they diluted the traffic so much it was pretty much useless.

Now it appears these resellers have moved on to tube traffic.. Which not only makes the sites traffic worthless but also the content and member ships we are all trying to sell.

[HorseShit]

Originally Posted by crockett

Well to be honest MGP traffic has been worthless for quite some time, mainly because of sites that were built to sell traffic to brokers. There were just so many of those shit sites out there they diluted the traffic so much it was pretty much useless.

Now it appears these resellers have moved on to tube traffic.. Which not only makes the sites traffic worthless but also the content and member ships we are all trying to sell.

Good points but from a traffic brokers pov, they're aren't selling many site memberships

[Choker]

Crockett has a bug up his ass for me. LOL. Yes i sell to tube sites so does every other traffic broker. Show me one that doesnt. I'm running a huge sale on tube traffic right now as a matter of fact. Now every sponsor that posts movies to tube sites speak up now or Crockett before the internet police (crockett) makes a post about you too.

[tony286]

short term thinking

[dav3]

[brassmonkey]

well well well wrong thread

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Choker

Crockett has a bug up his ass for me. LOL. Yes i sell to tube sites .

i'll play devils advocate here for a second. He isnt asking about selling traffic to tube sites , he was referring in particular to ones that are known to display content they do not have the legal right to display.

Originally Posted by Choker

so does every other traffic broker. Show me one that doesnt.
.

That wouldnt sound the same if it were other illegal activites.
If every other broker was selling traffic to underage sites, would you ?
If every other broker was selling traffic to al-queda would you ?
If every other broker was jumping off a bridge would you ?

Originally Posted by Choker

. Now every sponsor that posts movies to tube sites speak up now or Crockett before the internet police (crockett) makes a post about you too

What that has to do with sponsors posting movies i dont quite understand.


keep in mind i am just playing the devils advocate here, not sure if traffic brokers SHOULD become content police, but i would think it would hurt their own bottom line. Why not speak a bit more about the issue and why it doesnt affect you.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by tony404

short term thinking

no nashian thinking

as a content producer you must think the same way (turn your content into a traffic source) or face the downward edge of the nash equlibrium.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Choker

Crockett has a bug up his ass for me. LOL. Yes i sell to tube sites so does every other traffic broker. Show me one that doesnt. I'm running a huge sale on tube traffic right now as a matter of fact. Now every sponsor that posts movies to tube sites speak up now or Crockett before the internet police (crockett) makes a post about you too.

No bugs up my ass I'm just sick of the scumbags that are killing this industry off. I had enough of you telling us how fucking great your tube traffic is, while you are supporting illegal tubes that steal content. Took me all of 2 seconds to see you were dealing with illegal tubes sites.

If a sponsor wants to upload content to a tube site that's their business, but quit trying to hide behind lame ass BS like that when you know dam well that 80 to 90% of the videos on those sites are fucking stolden.

First you try to tell me it's not stolden content that hurts us, it's average Joe's with video camera's .. lol now it's sponsors uploading their entire members area's..

I've been around long enough to have seen what you traffic resellers did to the MGP traffic. You guys pretty much killed the value of MGP traffic because you let every POS site sell you their crap CJed to death traffic.

It's so worthless now even you admitted it's shit so know you move on to tubes, where you can not only make the rest of the traffic worthless, you can also help make content worthless.

This is what Choker thinks of content.. (from another board).. It's his excuse to work with tube sites and why in his mind, I guess it's ok to deal with theives.

3. Content already is pretty much worthless, ask any content seller. Maybe the fact that everyone with a camcorder shoots content nowadays?

So all you guys that are getting your members area's ripped fret not because it's worthless anyway.. The new thing is to sell 5 cent mainsteam products according to Choker..

[tony286]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

no nashian thinking

as a content producer you must think the same way (turn your content into a traffic source) or face the downward edge of the nash equlibrium.

Yeah ok boss like I said before the ads will pay for it all failed once already.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by crockett

After choker's many delightful posts about how great tube traffic is and how it's the next best thing since sliced bread, I decided to check out the traffic he has for sale.

I'm getting fucking sick of this BS..

Maybe he will send out some more e-mails to all of us...

[tony286]

Originally Posted by crockett

No bugs up my ass I'm just sick of the scumbags that are killing this industry off. I had enough of you telling us how fucking great your tube traffic is, while you are supporting illegal tubes that steal content. Took me all of 2 seconds to see you were dealing with illegal tubes sites.

If a sponsor wants to upload content to a tube site that's their business, but quit trying to hide behind lame ass BS like that when you know dam well that 80 to 90% of the videos on those sites are fucking stolden.

First you try to tell me it's not stolden content that hurts us, it's average Joe's with video camera's .. lol now it's sponsors uploading their entire members area's..

I've been around long enough to have seen what you traffic resellers did to the MGP traffic. You guys pretty much killed the value of MGP traffic because you let every POS site sell you their crap CJed to death traffic.

It's so worthless now even you admitted it's shit so know you move on to tubes, where you can not only make the rest of the traffic worthless, you can also help make content worthless.

This is what Choker thinks of content.. (from another board).. It's his excuse to work with tube sites and why in his mind, I guess it's ok to deal with theives.



So all you guys that are getting your members area's ripped fret not because it's worthless anyway.. The new thing is to sell 5 cent mainsteam products according to Choker..

Well said

[crockett]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i'll play devils advocate here for a second. He isnt asking about selling traffic to tube sites , he was referring in particular to ones that are known to display content they do not have the legal right to display.


That wouldnt sound the same if it were other illegal activites.
If every other broker was selling traffic to underage sites, would you ?
If every other broker was selling traffic to al-queda would you ?
If every other broker was jumping off a bridge would you ?

What that has to do with sponsors posting movies i dont quite understand.


keep in mind i am just playing the devils advocate here, not sure if traffic brokers SHOULD become content police, but i would think it would hurt their own bottom line. Why not speak a bit more about the issue and why it doesnt affect you.

Yes while I may not like even legit tube sites, there isn't anything I or anyone else can do about them. They are here to stay but at least they are using the content with premission.

The problem is with him coming here telling everyone how great his tube traffic is, only to find out after about 2 seconds of looking, that he's dealing with illegal tube sites that are fucking all of us.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by tony404

Yeah ok boss like I said before the ads will pay for it all failed once already.

Exactly.

Funny how many did not follow THAT bubble some 8-10 years ago. Failure to learn history means you are destined to repeat it.

[fris]

I didnt mean they are paying choker, i meant xhamster, tube8 and other big tube sites pay those "mgps" to list their content.

Hope you didnt get confused on my previous post.

[Doctor Feelgood]

i invented the internet police

[d-null]

is there no shame?

[Net Money]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i'll play devils advocate here for a second. He isnt asking about selling traffic to tube sites , he was referring in particular to ones that are known to display content they do not have the legal right to display.


That wouldnt sound the same if it were other illegal activites.
If every other broker was selling traffic to underage sites, would you ?
If every other broker was selling traffic to al-queda would you ?
If every other broker was jumping off a bridge would you ?

What that has to do with sponsors posting movies i dont quite understand.


keep in mind i am just playing the devils advocate here, not sure if traffic brokers SHOULD become content police, but i would think it would hurt their own bottom line. Why not speak a bit more about the issue and why it doesnt affect you.

All great points Smokey, unfortunately choker and his host (mojohost) don't really care about the logevity and honesty of the biz and seem to only be concerned with making a quick buck. sad but true

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Choker

Yes i sell to tube sites so does every other traffic broker. Show me one that doesnt.

See sig. We don't sell traffic to tube sites with user-uploaded content or long clips.

[CyberHustler]

My sig is up in this thread!

[V_RocKs]

I like to eat pussy... so long as it is cleaned first.

[crockett]

bump.. it appears Choker isn't planning to do anything about these resellers, as he's posted on another forum he thinks they are ok.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by crockett

bump.. it appears Choker isn't planning to do anything about these resellers, as he's posted on another forum he thinks they are ok.

Thanks for the bump, what Crocket means to say is that I have some tube sites that resell for me that have links on them to movie pages on tube8 and xhamster. Those sites do not have unlicensed content on them.

[SteveHardeman]

Hey Crockett, just wanted to lend my support to you in this thread.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Choker

Thanks for the bump, what Crocket means to say is that I have some tube sites that resell for me that have links on them to movie pages on tube8 and xhamster. Those sites do not have unlicensed content on them.

So in other words if these same resellers linked to CP you would be ok with that as well being they are just linking to it but don't host it?

[Net Money]

Originally Posted by crockett

So in other words if these same resellers linked to CP you would be ok with that as well being they are just linking to it but don't host it?

It seems to sound like that to me also.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by crockett

So in other words if these same resellers linked to CP you would be ok with that as well being they are just linking to it but don't host it?

How do you know the videos they are linking to or not licensed? You don't. Continue this all you want Crockett your jsut getting more attention to tube sites, more people jumping on the wagon and making tube sites, you are helping speed up what you fear.


I do not resell from tube sites that allow user uploads. Crockett thought i did bashed me for this now he's going beyond and trying to dig up dirt on me.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by crockett

So in other words if these same resellers linked to CP you would be ok with that as well being they are just linking to it but don't host it?

Watch your accusations your treading where you dont want to go.

[CIVMatt]

Get out of my ear!

[Choker]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Get out of my ear!

HAHAHAH OMG man why did you have to post that pic? I'm happily divorced from that bitch now. LOL Marriage so changes a woman, never again for me. lol

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Choker

HAHAHAH OMG man why did you have to post that pic? I'm happily divorced from that bitch now. LOL Marriage so changes a woman, never again for me. lol

never give a woman the power to boss your ass

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Choker

Watch your accusations your treading where you dont want to go.

Where do you see accusations? I'm asking you a question.. If you claim you have no clue what your resellers are linking to how do you know they aren't? It's clear you have resellers linking to unlicenced content on sites that allow user uploads.

Can you tell me you know for a fact that every video on these sites are legal?

http://www.homemadesextube.com/
http://www.longporntube.com/
http://www.tubesexclips.com/
http://www.rawgonzo.com/

Not a single one of them has 2257 info.

[Evil Chris]

xhamster has a lot of our stuff on there.... illegally.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by crockett

Where do you see accusations? I'm asking you a question.. If you claim you have no clue what your resellers are linking to how do you know they aren't? It's clear you have resellers linking to unlicenced content on sites that allow user uploads.

Can you tell me you know for a fact that every video on these sites are legal?

http://www.homemadesextube.com/
http://www.longporntube.com/
http://www.tubesexclips.com/
http://www.rawgonzo.com/

Not a single one of them has 2257 info.

So now we are gonna dig into 2257, so it's my responsibility and every one here who has a tgp or mgp to check all their trades links to content and if they dont have 2257 they are supporting a illegal site? Dude why dont you post some of your sites here lets see what you link to.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Choker

So now we are gonna dig into 2257, so it's my responsibility and every one here who has a tgp or mgp to check all their trades links to content and if they dont have 2257 they are supporting a illegal site? Dude why dont you post some of your sites here lets see what you link to.

Yes............

[SteveHardeman]

Originally Posted by Choker

So now we are gonna dig into 2257, so it's my responsibility and every one here who has a tgp or mgp to check all their trades links to content and if they dont have 2257 they are supporting a illegal site?

Yes again.

[jcsike]

Originally Posted by Choker

HAHAHAH OMG man why did you have to post that pic? I'm happily divorced from that bitch now. LOL Marriage so changes a woman, never again for me. lol

that was the 18 year old you married just a year or so again?what happened, i was jealous when i saw the thread ;)

btw, hair looks good

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Choker

So now we are gonna dig into 2257, so it's my responsibility and every one here who has a tgp or mgp to check all their trades links to content and if they dont have 2257 they are supporting a illegal site? Dude why dont you post some of your sites here lets see what you link to.

2257 is only being brought up because you are failing to do the right thing. You know damn well this reseller is linking to stolen content, yet you continue to play dumb.

It's not like it's one fucking video here or there choker, just about every fucking video on this resellers sites are linking to stolen content at user uploaded tubes.

I am giving you shit about this and had to bring it to GFY, because you keep ignoring the fact that you are supporting thieves. Do the right fucking thing and you will hear no more about it.

Is is that fucking hard to make a legit dollar, that you have to support thieves? It's not like we are talking about 1 video Choker, every video on each of that resellers sites is linking to tube8,xhamster or pornhub. They are all stolen content and it's all this reseller is linking to.

Evil Chris just posted their content is all over xhamster illegally.. That would make this reseller http://www.longporntube.com/vs/niches/young1.php (6th thumb titled "very young teen" 9:51 mins xhamster ) linking to stolen content.

I'm quite certain we could go through most of the videos on that site as well as his others and find that most of them are stolen content. So why don't you do the right thing and shit can this reseller?

Is it really that hard to have a no user upload rule? and no linking to sites that allow them?

It's very clear this reseller is linking to pretty much exclusively xhamster, tube8 and pornhub. All sites that are very well known for content theft.

A simple rule banning resellers from listing videos from tube8,xhamster, pornhub.. ect..ect.. would easily stop this issue. Assuming you actually enforced it.

Just do the right thing and quit supporting theft.

[DeanCapture]

Originally Posted by crockett

Just do the right thing and quit supporting theft.

As long as nobody is stealing from him....he's not worried about it.
This is typical behavior for our industry - unfortunately

[crockett]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

As long as nobody is stealing from him....he's not worried about it.
This is typical behavior for our industry - unfortunately

Yes it appears that way...

[TeenCat]

i love choker, i do not like tubes ... i am schizo here ...

[SpicyM]

Chokers way of doing biz is the same way that caused the financial crisis

too many people want too much money without thinking about the future and others

[SpicyM]

Content already is pretty much worthless, ask any content seller. Maybe the fact that everyone with a camcorder shoots content nowadays?

fuck this is so arrogant statement that fully match your thinking, lets fuck all those people producing high quality exclusive movies, traffic is the king right?