Choker (chickentraffic.com) are you selling traffic to tube8 & xhamster? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

JFK · 01-06-2009, 02:14 PM

Fitty trafic deals

CIVMatt · 01-06-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

HAHAHAH OMG man why did you have to post that pic? I'm happily divorced from that bitch now. LOL Marriage so changes a woman, never again for me. lol

Fixed Buddy

Violetta · 01-06-2009, 03:31 PM

I guess it is some kind of (unpopular) adapting!

gideongallery · 01-06-2009, 03:37 PM

it funny your choker is getting as much grief as if he was selling to the DMCA complient tube sites directly (since none of them are actually illegal)

He might as well open the doors and sell for all of them.

He is already going above and beyond what the law requires him to do, and you guys are still bitching about it.

brassmonkey · 01-06-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

it funny your choker is getting as much grief as if he was selling to the DMCA complient tube sites directly (since none of them are actually illegal)

He might as well open the doors and sell for all of them.

He is already going above and beyond what the law requires him to do, and you guys are still bitching about it.

agreed

Choker · 01-06-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

2257 is only being brought up because you are failing to do the right thing. You know damn well this reseller is linking to stolen content, yet you continue to play dumb.

It's not like it's one fucking video here or there choker, just about every fucking video on this resellers sites are linking to stolen content at user uploaded tubes.

I am giving you shit about this and had to bring it to GFY, because you keep ignoring the fact that you are supporting thieves. Do the right fucking thing and you will hear no more about it.

Is is that fucking hard to make a legit dollar, that you have to support thieves? It's not like we are talking about 1 video Choker, every video on each of that resellers sites is linking to tube8,xhamster or pornhub. They are all stolen content and it's all this reseller is linking to.

Evil Chris just posted their content is all over xhamster illegally.. That would make this reseller http://www.longporntube.com/vs/niches/young1.php (6th thumb titled "very young teen" 9:51 mins xhamster ) linking to stolen content.

I'm quite certain we could go through most of the videos on that site as well as his others and find that most of them are stolen content. So why don't you do the right thing and shit can this reseller?

Is it really that hard to have a no user upload rule? and no linking to sites that allow them?

It's very clear this reseller is linking to pretty much exclusively xhamster, tube8 and pornhub. All sites that are very well known for content theft.

A simple rule banning resellers from listing videos from tube8,xhamster, pornhub.. ect..ect.. would easily stop this issue. Assuming you actually enforced it.

Just do the right thing and quit supporting theft.

Fuck you. Post a list of your sites here lets see what you are up to. None of the resellers I buy from have unlicensed content on their sites. They link to content that may or not be licensed. If I go around telling people what they can or cannot link to on their own sites then I'm a bully trying to control others. Post your sites here now if you even have any. Oh and by the way theres a banner in many of you guys signature of a site that sells banner spots on illegal tubes yet your bashing me. HAHHA the irony btw I'm having a sale on tube licensed videos. $499 for 100 full length videos. I have never had a sale on this before prolly never will again. Sold 7 sets so far thanks to Crockett. There is no excuse to not go legit with your tube site anymore.

crockett · 01-06-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

it funny your choker is getting as much grief as if he was selling to the DMCA complient tube sites directly (since none of them are actually illegal)

He might as well open the doors and sell for all of them.

He is already going above and beyond what the law requires him to do, and you guys are still bitching about it.

You run torrent sites don't you MadDog? It's no big surprise you are always supporting this kinda shit. Wasn't it you whom got caught telling your torrent surfers to sign up at adult paysites for their trials then telling them how to charge backs to get access to your torrent sites?

He is getting shit, because it's very clear he is allowing resellers in his program whom are nothing more than proxy sites to send traffic to illegal tube sites.

Choker · 01-06-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

it funny your choker is getting as much grief as if he was selling to the DMCA complient tube sites directly (since none of them are actually illegal)

He might as well open the doors and sell for all of them.

He is already going above and beyond what the law requires him to do, and you guys are still bitching about it.

BINGO, this Crockett boy just has a bug up his ass, he is being phased out of existance and is blaming lil ole Choker for it. Dont worry Crockett walmart is always hiring greeters

Choker · 01-06-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You run torrent sites don't you MadDog? It's no big surprise you are always supporting this kinda shit. Wasn't it you whom got caught telling your torrent surfers to sign up at adult paysites for their trials then telling them how to charge backs to get access to your torrent sites?

He is getting shit, because it's very clear he is allowing resellers in his program whom are nothing more than proxy sites to send traffic to illegal tube sites.

LOL, boy you just dont get it do you? I am doing NOTHING illegal this shit you are giving me is making my cash register cach-ing cach-ing please continue I should pay you a commission. See the guys who are somebody in this business already have legit tube sites and while punks like you are bitching and moaning about them they are building, making tube sites, making all kinds of sites and making money. I have been thinking about selling ready made tube sites for $999, now since all this "shit" you have given me I'm gonna go ahead with this project.

crockett · 01-06-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Fuck you. Post a list of your sites here lets see what you are up to. None of the resellers I buy from have unlicensed content on their sites. They link to content that may or not be licensed. If I go around telling people what they can or cannot link to on their own sites then I'm a bully trying to control others. Post your sites here now if you even have any. Oh and by the way theres a banner in many of you guys signature of a site that sells banner spots on illegal tubes yet your bashing me. HAHHA the irony btw I'm having a sale on tube licensed videos. $499 for 100 full length videos. I have never had a sale on this before prolly never will again. Sold 7 sets so far thanks to Crockett. There is no excuse to not go legit with your tube site anymore.

So here it is.. you support thieves and admit it. I guess business must have been pretty fucking bad to have to lay down with the fleas in order to stay afloat.

crockett · 01-06-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

LOL, boy you just dont get it do you? I am doing NOTHING illegal this shit you are giving me is making my cash register cach-ing cach-ing please continue I should pay you a commission. See the guys who are somebody in this business already have legit tube sites and while punks like you are bitching and moaning about them they are building, making tube sites, making all kinds of sites and making money. I have been thinking about selling ready made tube sites for $999, now since all this "shit" you have given me I'm gonna go ahead with this project.

Maybe we should all just download all this content you are so proud of from your tubes, being you don't mind content theft.

Choker · 01-06-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

So here it is.. you support thieves and admit it. I guess business must have been pretty fucking bad to have to lay down with the fleas in order to stay afloat.

Watch where you are going Crockett, comments like that can get you in some hot water.Ok anyone got a list of sites that Crockett here owns and or runs, its time to take a look at the internet police's sites. Lets see if he lives in a glass house or not.

tony286 · 01-06-2009, 04:00 PM

fuck it its not worth it going back and forth. its all short term thinking

biskoppen · 01-06-2009, 04:07 PM

I'm going to sit right here

crockett · 01-06-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Watch where you are going Crockett, comments like that can get you in some hot water.Ok anyone got a list of sites that Crockett here owns and or runs, its time to take a look at the internet police's sites. Lets see if he lives in a glass house or not.

How is that.. I've yet to say anything that isn't true.

You are just getting bitchy because you know what I'm saying is true and there is nothing you can do about it. Everyone else can see it's true as well.

As for my own sites, they have nothing to do with this topic other than you trying to divert attention from your self and whom you have layed down with.

Have at it, go see what you can dig up and try and find anything that I'm not on the up and up with. Most of my traffic is either SE or true clicked traffic from my own network. I converted all of my TGP's to toplists and the only content sites I have left are blogs.

lol so have at it.

fuzebox · 01-06-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

HAHAHAH OMG man why did you have to post that pic? I'm happily divorced from that bitch now. LOL Marriage so changes a woman, never again for me. lol

Whaaa that was quick

Sorry to hear man.

MrLuvr · 01-06-2009, 05:25 PM

Hey Crockett, while I don't disagree with your stance, rather than going hard after this guy, should it not be done in a more organized manner? I fail to see how what he is doing is that much different from some of the big dating sponsors and others who support illegal tube sites?

Fling.com is all over the tube sites, yet you see their banner at the top of this forum? What about AFF? And Fleshlight? And Adbrite?

I made a post last week asking everybody to post all the sponsors who were helping to monetize these types of sites so that the community could black list them? You know how many replies I got? FOUR. That is it. And a couple of them were from some crazy tube site owner telling me to fuck off. NOBODY CARES. Seriously. This is a losing battle. Everybody has a short term view. They want their $100 PPS or what ever and that is where it ends.

calmlikeabomb · 01-06-2009, 05:40 PM

I've been lucky enough in the past to be employed by Choker.

He is a great guy, runs a good legitimate business. Anyone who has been around this industry long enough would know this. Quite frankly, I'm surprised he is even taking the time to post in your thread.

Times are changing, technology is advancing, user's interests and habits are evolving, expectations are increasing. Those who don't adapt will not survive. He isn't breaking any laws and I'm sure he is aware of that. You think a man as successful as him would bite the hand that feeds?

Klen · 01-06-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MrLuvr

Hey Crockett, while I don't disagree with your stance, rather than going hard after this guy, should it not be done in a more organized manner? I fail to see how what he is doing is that much different from some of the big dating sponsors and others who support illegal tube sites?

Fling.com is all over the tube sites, yet you see their banner at the top of this forum? What about AFF? And Fleshlight? And Adbrite?

I made a post last week asking everybody to post all the sponsors who were helping to monetize these types of sites so that the community could black list them? You know how many replies I got? FOUR. That is it. And a couple of them were from some crazy tube site owner telling me to fuck off. NOBODY CARES. Seriously. This is a losing battle. Everybody has a short term view. They want their $100 PPS or what ever and that is where it ends.

Hope dies last.....

ThumbLord · 01-06-2009, 05:52 PM

I am glad you were lucky to be employed by Choker calmlikeabomb, but although you think he is a great guy, you have to admit that crockett has a valid point or even points.
remarks like these:
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Watch where you are going Crockett, comments like that can get you in some hot water.Ok anyone got a list of sites that Crockett here owns and or runs, its time to take a look at the internet police's sites. Lets see if he lives in a glass house or not.
</quote>
should bring at least a hmmmmmmmm don't you think.
I know his comment would be probably he has called me a cockroach in a conversation with a traffic broker ( protraffic ) many times before so he does not take my posts seriously.
Again I know loads of people buy traffic from him so they will not support the valid point(s) crockett made, but hopefully it brings some people something to think about.

crockett · 01-06-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by calmlikeabomb

I've been lucky enough in the past to be employed by Choker.

He is a great guy, runs a good legitimate business. Anyone who has been around this industry long enough would know this. Quite frankly, I'm surprised he is even taking the time to post in your thread.

Times are changing, technology is advancing, user's interests and habits are evolving, expectations are increasing. Those who don't adapt will not survive. He isn't breaking any laws and I'm sure he is aware of that. You think a man as successful as him would bite the hand that feeds?

I know you are a coder and I've talked to you a long time ago. If you developed a custom script that had monetary value, I assume you wouldn't like it if people were stealing your work?

Copyright theft should be as much of an issue to a coder as it is a content producer, unless you just like giving your work away for free.

It's not like this is the first time a traffic broker has been called out on this kind of thing. It's just like calling out AFF for being all over illegal tube sites. It's the same thing..

We as a industry have a product we depend on selling. Yet it seems there are groups that don't give a shit about this content or it's value. They just see it as a way to get traffic for their own gains, by exploiting it.

While it may not be "illegal" to sell or buy traffic from sites that are helping facilitate theft, it is morally wrong. Choker has the opportunity here to stand up and say these sites are morally wrong and that it's not right to work with the sites that act as gateways for content theft.

He chooses not to do this and stands firm in the fact he feels it's ok to work with these sites that are operating as gateways to content theft. I'm sorry but that does not make him a stand up guy and fuck yes it does bite the hands that feed him.

gideongallery · 01-06-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You run torrent sites don't you MadDog? It's no big surprise you are always supporting this kinda shit. Wasn't it you whom got caught telling your torrent surfers to sign up at adult paysites for their trials then telling them how to charge backs to get access to your torrent sites?

He is getting shit, because it's very clear he is allowing resellers in his program whom are nothing more than proxy sites to send traffic to illegal tube sites.

well since i am not mad dog it interesting that you claiming i am doing something illegal (that fraud)

Amazingly you are attacking me for supporting legal activity like running DMCA complient site with an arguement i am not doing anything illegal.

Tjeezers · 01-06-2009, 06:09 PM

Bad for business...

There are a LOT OF traffic sellers who do have a good attitude in this industry without to much air in their head

crockett · 01-06-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

well since i am not mad dog it interesting that you claiming i am doing something illegal (that fraud)

Amazingly you are attacking me for supporting legal activity like running DMCA complient site with an arguement i am not doing anything illegal.

Well then that's my mistake if you aren't him. Someone told me a long time ago that you were him. Sorry if I mistook you for someone else.

BVF · 01-06-2009, 06:14 PM

Choker can do whatever the fuck he wants to do.....I was just on freeones the other day and they're pushing brazzers HARD...Will you post a thread getting in Roald's ass? Hell no...

He even has an endorsement on the mofoscash ad...But just like Choker, Roald can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, just like I do and just like everybody else does.

gideongallery · 01-06-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

I know you are a coder and I've talked to you a long time ago. If you developed a custom script that had monetary value, I assume you wouldn't like it if people were stealing your work?

i am a coder i fully fulfill my clients fair use rights to my code, they can come back to me and recover any code from me for free.

this industry refuses to fulfill their fair use responsiblities and then bitch about the laws that protect those rights.

You can send DMCA notices to take down every "unauthorized" video on tube8
You are too lazy to do it
or too cheap to hire someone like removeyourcontent.com

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Copyright theft should be as much of an issue to a coder as it is a content producer, unless you just like giving your work away for free.

the only time people can hide behind the safe harbor provision is when you leave fair use rights like timeshifting/backup/recovery unsupported.

Fullfill those rights for your customers and you can argue that the existing of the file on the server constitutes knowledge of infringement (hense no safe harbor)

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It's not like this is the first time a traffic broker has been called out on this kind of thing. It's just like calling out AFF for being all over illegal tube sites. It's the same thing..

AFF did not advertise on any illegal tube sites, they advertised on DMCA complient tube sites. The safe harbor provision made them legal.

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We as a industry have a product we depend on selling. Yet it seems there are groups that don't give a shit about this content or it's value. They just see it as a way to get traffic for their own gains, by exploiting it.

While it may not be "illegal" to sell or buy traffic from sites that are helping facilitate theft, it is morally wrong. Choker has the opportunity here to stand up and say these sites are morally wrong and that it's not right to work with the sites that act as gateways for content theft.

when was the last time you took a models content just because she wanted out of the industry

what he is doing is 100% illegal, linking to the videos that may or may not be authorized is 100% legal.

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He chooses not to do this and stands firm in the fact he feels it's ok to work with these sites whom operate as gateways to content theft. I'm sorry but that does not make him a stand up guy and fuck yes it does bite the hands that feed him.

you realize that if ratios get worse and worse you need to buy more traffic to accomplish the same number of sales.

Nashian economics traffic guys suffer no economic loss from this.

Turn your content into a traffic source and compete against him for the hits.

tony286 · 01-06-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i am a coder i fully fulfill my clients fair use rights to my code, they can come back to me and recover any code from me for free.

this industry refuses to fulfill their fair use responsiblities and then bitch about the laws that protect those rights.

You can send DMCA notices to take down every "unauthorized" video on tube8
You are too lazy to do it
or too cheap to hire someone like removeyourcontent.com

the only time people can hide behind the safe harbor provision is when you leave fair use rights like timeshifting/backup/recovery unsupported.

Fullfill those rights for your customers and you can argue that the existing of the file on the server constitutes knowledge of infringement (hense no safe harbor)

AFF did not advertise on any illegal tube sites, they advertised on DMCA complient tube sites. The safe harbor provision made them legal.

when was the last time you took a models content just because she wanted out of the industry

what he is doing is 100% illegal, linking to the videos that may or may not be authorized is 100% legal.

you realize that if ratios get worse and worse you need to buy more traffic to accomplish the same number of sales.

Nashian economics traffic guys suffer no economic loss from this.

Turn your content into a traffic source and compete against him for the hits.

Show us something you coded? It would be nice to see.

Blazed · 01-06-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i'll play devils advocate here for a second. He isnt asking about selling traffic to tube sites , he was referring in particular to ones that are known to display content they do not have the legal right to display.

Prove that they dont have the legal right to display user uploaded content. Of course you cant because if you could there would be no more sites like tube8 to worry about since it would be an easy case to win in court.

SteveHardeman · 01-06-2009, 08:56 PM

I'm not ready for this to be over yet.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-07-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

Prove that they dont have the legal right to display user uploaded content.

why would i prove something completely unrelated to what i posted

Untill you prove chickens are dogs chickens are now alligators.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-07-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by calmlikeabomb

He isn't breaking any laws and I'm sure he is aware of that.

you wouldnt be breaking laws selling kids toys to pedo's but if you knew you were you would probably stop wouldnt you ?

Agent 488 · 01-07-2009, 11:18 AM

nashian econmomics at play.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-07-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i am a coder i fully fulfill my clients fair use rights to my code, they can come back to me and recover any code from me for free.

and you would have no problem with them uploading your code onto a public website for people to download ( timeshifting incase they lose it

). This is a real life question

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

AFF did not advertise on any illegal tube sites, they advertised on DMCA complient tube sites. The safe harbor provision made them legal.

You personally vouch for every piece of content on every tube site aff has advertised ?

lol you couldnt because you have no clue. The safe harbour provision does not instantly make everything legal, it gives provision for legitimate reasons, if you have violated or abused those a judge isn't going to buy your b.s.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

what he is doing is 100% illegal

umm ? who choker ?

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

linking to the videos that may or may not be authorized is 100% legal.

linking to cp might not be technically illegal , but would you do it ? wait don't answer that, i'm sure you will tell us pedo's have timeshifting rights or something right..

PornNewz · 01-07-2009, 12:48 PM

[QUOTE=gideongallery;15290682]i am a coder i fully fulfill my clients fair use rights to my code, they can come back to me and recover any code from me for free.

/QUOTE]

Hey Gideon please send me all the work you've ever done (all your coding) I would like to put it up on a site and give it to all who care to have it for free. Anyone who would rather grab it on my free site than hire you to do the work can then do so.

Thanks in advance.

mynameisjim · 01-07-2009, 01:05 PM

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Hey Gideon please send me all the work you've ever done (all your coding) I would like to put it up on a site and give it to all who care to have it for free. Anyone who would rather grab it on my free site than hire you to do the work can then do so.

Thanks in advance.

I'll grab a copy and just timeshift past the part where I pay him.

SiMpLe · 01-07-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

How do you know the videos they are linking to or not licensed? You don't. Continue this all you want Crockett your jsut getting more attention to tube sites, more people jumping on the wagon and making tube sites, you are helping speed up what you fear.

I do not resell from tube sites that allow user uploads. Crockett thought i did bashed me for this now he's going beyond and trying to dig up dirt on me.

Lets make this clear for you - Xham and tube8 list my scenes and they are stolen. As everyone knows for the last 9 years I dont lic content period - If they are not taking user subs (as you pointed out), then the owners of the above tubes are stealing my scenes and listing them.

Thanks for stopping the biz your doing with them from this point on - Your a real stand up guy.

Barefootsies · 01-07-2009, 01:29 PM

Fuck Your Fraud...

gideongallery · 01-07-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

and you would have no problem with them uploading your code onto a public website for people to download ( timeshifting incase they lose it

). This is a real life question

well you see unlike so many of the content producers here i fully provide for their backup and recovery rights. Lose one of the scripts i made for you, come back to me
you get th script
Therefore there is no "fair use" need to use torrents to backup your content which means i have proof that you are doing for the illegal purpose of distributing it.
provide people perpetual access to the content they paid for then and only then can you make the same claim i am making.
Don't and fair use rights apply.

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You personally vouch for every piece of content on every tube site aff has advertised ?

lol you couldnt because you have no clue. The safe harbour provision does not instantly make everything legal, it gives provision for legitimate reasons, if you have violated or abused those a judge isn't going to buy your b.s.

i don't have to vouche for every piece of content, that the point
until a take down request is ignored it assumed legal weather that be, because of fair use or that it is legally licienced to be there.
Once a take down request happens it comes down and then i have a right to dispute the take down (either fair use or licienced)
that the way the law works
there is no burden to vouche for anything.

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umm ? who choker ?

he is going above and beyond the law restricting his sales to only non user upload tube sites.
the site in question if filtering traffic to user upload tube sites. If the content was non DMCA complient it would not exist and the link would go to a 404 page instead.
so yes choker is not doing anything illegal

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linking to cp might not be technically illegal , but would you do it ? wait don't answer that, i'm sure you will tell us pedo's have timeshifting rights or something right..

i love how you keep bring cp into these arguements. The last time you claimed that you couldn't tell difference between milf content and CP without a model release/licience to try and bring the two together.

Your arguement is an attempt to muddy the water to target someone who is going above and beyond what the law requires him too.

This you have to do all the work for me because CP is bad bullshit wasn't valid when you were bitching about CCBILL and it not valid now either.

d-null · 01-07-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SiMpLe

Lets make this clear for you - Xham and tube8 list my scenes and they are stolen. As everyone knows for the last 9 years I dont lic content period - If they are not taking user subs (as you pointed out), then the owners of the above tubes are stealing my scenes and listing them.

Thanks for stopping the biz your doing with them from this point on - Your a real stand up guy.

it is just sad

thank you for bringing this thread to attention, it is helpful in making informed decisions with whom we give business to and who we will choose to avoid

SmokeyTheBear · 01-07-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

well you see unlike so many of the content producers here i fully provide for their backup and recovery rights. Lose one of the scripts i made for you, come back to me

bwahaha everything is ok to timeshift but your stuff ? lol

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

Therefore there is no "fair use" need to use torrents to backup your content

hmm havent you said all along torrents is fair use ? now all of a sudden its not fair use ?

Every content owner could say the exact same thing, sure you can come back to me to get the video if you paid for it. ok now all tube content is not fair use anymore..

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i have proof that you are doing for the illegal purpose of distributing it.

lol you do ? sorry you are wrong , this guy gideon told me timeshifting is fair use.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

provide people perpetual access to the content they paid for then and only then can you make the same claim i am making.

they do, every record label will provide you backups of songs you prove you purchased.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i love how you keep bring cp into these arguements. The last time you claimed that you couldn't tell difference between milf content and CP without a model release/licience to try and bring the two together.

What i said was you couldnt verify age of a person without model release , you claimed you can verify age by just looking at it. i remember.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

Your arguement is an attempt to muddy the water to target someone who is going above and beyond what the law requires him too.

if you want to know my "argument" then ask me instead of making silly guesses.

My argument is if you know something illegal is taking place you should try to avoid taking part of it.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

This you have to do all the work for me because CP is bad bullshit wasn't valid when you were bitching about CCBILL and it not valid now either.

what are you blabbering about now ? its ok for ccbill to bill for cp sites ? is that what your saying ? as long as ccbill isnt doing anything illegal its ok. once again i will remind you the majority of people don't agree with you

CurrentlySober · 01-07-2009, 03:32 PM

i just like poo...

gideongallery · 01-07-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

bwahaha everything is ok to timeshift but your stuff ? lol

i have recommended 27 times to setup a private tracker to fulfill your fair use responsiblity
i fulfill my fair use responsiblity by giving people the ability to come back to me and get the content again for free.
Just like DSS Decrypt fully provided for the fair use right of backup, and therefore made DeCSS illegal for close source dvd rippers.

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hmm havent you said all along torrents is fair use ? now all of a sudden its not fair use ?

Every content owner could say the exact same thing, sure you can come back to me to get the video if you paid for it. ok now all tube content is not fair use anymore..

as long as they give you FREE access to all the content you paid for then yes they do
(hense my suggestion to setup a private tracker)
however if they keep saying you have to pay for secondary access to the content you paid for then no.

Big difference between the two.

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lol you do ? sorry you are wrong , this guy gideon told me timeshifting is fair use.

only if you misquote me deliberately like you are doing now
timeshifting is a fair use right, you have a right to use any technology to fulfil that right ONLY when the copyright refuses to fulfill that right. IF they fulfil their fair use "responsiblity" for free then you can restrict your use of those competing technologies.

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they do, every record label will provide you backups of songs you prove you purchased.

not for free
therefore not equivalent price point as torrents, ergo not a fair use replacement.

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What i said was you couldnt verify age of a person without model release , you claimed you can verify age by just looking at it. i remember.

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wrong and wrong, firstly the 2 go hand in hand, without proof of ownership how can you possibly verify if any of the models are 18, you cant , so what you are saying is ignore child porn at the expense of dmca, and what i am saying is ethically and morally you should protect children as best you can. period end of story, what you are saying is its too costly for ccbill to hire one employee to curb child porn, sorry but many people disagree with you.

the 2 issues make it alot more fuzzy when put together , its much easier in mainstream where there arent issues with underage content.

You seem to be of the belief that its perfectly legal for me to sell copyright warner brothers movies until warner brother complains, not so.

it is quite clear you said you could not tell if the model was over 18 without having proof of ownership

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if you want to know my "argument" then ask me instead of making silly guesses.

My argument is if you know something illegal is taking place you should try to avoid taking part of it.

but nothing illegal is going on here,
the original listing on tube8 is legal because of the safe harbour provision
the linking to the content is legal for the same reason
choker selling to the intermediary site is legal hell selling traffic directly to the tube8 site is legal

SO there is no possible way that you are saying "if you know something illegal is taking place you should try to avoid taking part of it"

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what are you blabbering about now ? its ok for ccbill to bill for cp sites ? is that what your saying ? as long as ccbill isnt doing anything illegal its ok. once again i will remind you the majority of people don't agree with you

nope i am saying the same thing i said in the ccbill thread

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that is absolutely not what you are saying
you are trying to tie copyright infringement to kiddie porn to justify a draconion policy that would violate many foreign countries laws for things that could no way shape or form be kiddie porn (milf content)

If you were truely saying they should do the best they can to protect children you would be demanding that they pull every person dealing with DMCA complaints and put them on scanning the sites updates for kiddie porn.

You would be blasting your colleges who spend time and effort sending DMCA notices to the billing company instead of just focusing on the company who is actually hosting the content because they are taking people way from scanning the sites for kiddie porn.

basically the same point applies here, because choker would have to pull the people who are checking for CP to do this extra checking.

evan if he did do all this all that would happen is the sites would add a second layer between tube8 and the bought traffic. and this would start all over again.

The only way he could do all that you want is to check down an infinite level of sites that not feasible.

if you truely cared about preventing you CP you would be blasting your colleges for not sending the DMCA notices directly to tube8 to deal with their copyright issues. You would demand that choker not change his policies at all because only way he could do this and keep the same price point /profit margins would be to move CP monitors to do this extra work.

brand0n · 01-07-2009, 04:03 PM

nothing like a full little lupe vid to make you feel dirty

SmokeyTheBear · 01-07-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i have recommended 27 times to setup a private tracker to fulfill your fair use responsiblity

27 times. cool

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i fulfill my fair use responsiblity by giving people the ability to come back to me and get the content again for free.

i just spoke with a content producer who's movies were stolen and they offer the same service. So it seems these tube sites are displaying content they are not able to display using the same rules you apply to your code.

so either you have a problem with this or it is ok for someone to upload your code as long as they respond to dmca complaints ?

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

as long as they give you FREE access to all the content you paid for then yes they do
(hense my suggestion to setup a private tracker)
however if they keep saying you have to pay for secondary access to the content you paid for then no.

Big difference between the two.

nope its free they said anyone who has paid to download the video may obtain the video only thru them for free.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

timeshifting is a fair use right,

so you have no problem with me timeshifting your code onto the web for download ?

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

it is quite clear you said you could not tell if the model was over 18 without having proof of ownership

nice spin, you said you could tell the age of the model just by looking at her, i said you needed to see i.d. , spin it all you want it boils down to the same thing.

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but nothing illegal is going on here,

so you say, you could tell me cp was legal , doesnt mean i or anyone else believes you.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

the original listing on tube8 is legal because of the safe harbour provision.

so you say , the law says it's not , by your own admission..

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

choker selling to the intermediary site is legal hell selling traffic directly to the tube8 site is legal

nobody suggested choker was doing anything illegal. As has been explained to you, just because something is legal doesn't mean you should do it.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

SO there is no possible way that you are saying "if you know something illegal is taking place you should try to avoid taking part of it"

i did say that , thats why it's got those cool quote things around it.. Read it again if you have a hard time understanding the concept.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

basically the same point applies here, because choker would have to pull the people who are checking for CP to do this extra checking.

i'll do the checking , problem solved.. spin away...

do you really think you are going to convince people that choker woud have a hard time spotting the 10 most popular tube sites on the net lol, keep spinning , you are getting no traction.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

if you truely cared about preventing you CP you would be blasting your colleges for not sending the DMCA notices directly to tube8 to deal with their copyright issues.

because umm copyright issues have nothing to do with cp ? that makes sense.

at the end of the day everyone can see your argument for what it really is. If its not illegal , do it. Many people disagree with that theory.

PornNewz · 01-07-2009, 06:11 PM

still waiting for gideon to respond to my post above.........me thinks he's avoiding it.

HorseShit · 01-07-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PornNewz

still waiting for gideon to respond to my post above.........me thinks he's avoiding it.

probably because no one gives a shit about you or pornnewz, this is about the response it's worthy of

gideongallery · 01-07-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PornNewz

still waiting for gideon to respond to my post above.........me thinks he's avoiding it.

since you would have to buy every script to even claim a fair use right
send me a check for $20,000 and i will send it all over
and we can get start
just be forewarned i will ask for your identity,
the embedded id will identify you
and when i sue (the uploader) for a copyright infringment you will not be able to claim the fair use right of back up protects your actions because i provide you with replacement copies for free.

crockett · 01-07-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SiMpLe

Lets make this clear for you - Xham and tube8 list my scenes and they are stolen. As everyone knows for the last 9 years I dont lic content period - If they are not taking user subs (as you pointed out), then the owners of the above tubes are stealing my scenes and listing them.

Thanks for stopping the biz your doing with them from this point on - Your a real stand up guy.

He didn't stop an he doesn't plan on stopping. Yes it's true he doesn't sell "directly" to user upload tubes. What he is doing is selling traffic for "3rd party" sites that act as middle men or proxy sites that then send the traffic to user uploaded tubes.

It seems he has no plans to stop doing business with these third party resellers according to his many posts that he keeps claiming he's doing nothing wrong.

01-07-2009, 06:32 PM

Choker you would do better just ignoring the thread. You are not doing yourself any favors with your weak defense.

collegeboobies · 01-07-2009, 06:33 PM

He sells traffic... he sells to the buyer.. whoever that is

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01-06-2009, 05:25 PM	#67
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01-07-2009, 06:32 PM	#99
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