Warning Business Topic!!! 2257 related - GoFuckYourself.com

crockett · 01-13-2009, 09:53 AM

With the new 2257 regs inching in, it seems like there could be a good opportunity for the "right" company. With the new regulations it appears that the govt is now allowing us to legally link to a 3rd party for our 2257 legal requirements.

It seems like this could be the perfect opportunity for the "right" company to become a independent 3rd party records holder for the industry. I stress the "right" company because no one is going to trust their asses to some GFY dimwit which leaves me out..

I wanted to post this because I've seen no one talk of this and I'm really surprised no one has thought of the idea. If we had a trusted company then primary producers could send in the legal docs to this "3rd party" then the 3rd party could become the record keeper for the many secondary producers and affiliates.

This would greatly reduce the risk for performers being their ID's and personal info would not be handed out to just anyone. It would also simplify things greatly for both affiliates and even the DOJ whom inspects the records.

While I'm not a 2257 expert, I do know that just linking to a primary producer is not going to fly. As other records still need to be kept, such as links to the location the content is listed.

A centralized 3rd party could use software that allows affiliates and producers to simply input their data via the web. Charging a small monthly fee from both primary and secondary producers/affiliates could make this a profitable business and still provide a reliable and cheap service for the industry as a whole.

IMO this should likely be a company in LA, simply because so much of the industry is located there. Anyway just a thought and a idea..

OMG Jim · 01-13-2009, 10:19 AM

Just read the article and was thinking the same thing crockett.

Finally some positive news for the adult industry for a change.

_

Fletch XXX · 01-13-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

I wanted to post this because I've seen no one talk of this and I'm really surprised no one has thought of the idea.

umm unless i am mistaken theres actually been much talk of this and even numerous people stating that MULTIPLE people are working on it,.... people on this forum have even tossed out domain names in public for this idea.

Grapesoda · 01-13-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

With the new 2257 regs inching in, it seems like there could be a good opportunity for the "right" company. With the new regulations it appears that the govt is now allowing us to legally link to a 3rd party for our 2257 legal requirements.

It seems like this could be the perfect opportunity for the "right" company to become a independent 3rd party records holder for the industry. I stress the "right" company because no one is going to trust their asses to some GFY dimwit which leaves me out..

I wanted to post this because I've seen no one talk of this and I'm really surprised no one has thought of the idea. If we had a trusted company then primary producers could send in the legal docs to this "3rd party" then the 3rd party could become the record keeper for the many secondary producers and affiliates.

This would greatly reduce the risk for performers being their ID's and personal info would not be handed out to just anyone. It would also simplify things greatly for both affiliates and even the DOJ whom inspects the records.

While I'm not a 2257 expert, I do know that just linking to a primary producer is not going to fly. As other records still need to be kept, such as links to the location the content is listed.

A centralized 3rd party could use software that allows affiliates and producers to simply input their data via the web. Charging a small monthly fee from both primary and secondary producers/affiliates could make this a profitable business and still provide a reliable and cheap service for the industry as a whole.

IMO this should likely be a company in LA, simply because so much of the industry is located there. Anyway just a thought and a idea..

I own the domain 2257inc.com

crockett · 01-13-2009, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

umm unless i am mistaken theres actually been much talk of this and even numerous people stating that MULTIPLE people are working on it,.... people on this forum have even tossed out domain names in public for this idea.

I've seen a few various people working on software.. much the same as the last go around, but haven't seen anyone planning to do what I posted. Not unless I missed it.

ExtremeBank_Adam · 01-13-2009, 12:11 PM

I own 2257regulations.com and 2257regs.com...

But I don't think that idea would fly.

Let's pretend that I am the record keeper for your website, and you put up a content set that you don't have the proper docs on, but you still list me as the custodian. Soon afterwards, I get a knock on the door from the feds wanting to see the paperwork for that set, and you never sent it to me. Who's in trouble then?

V_RocKs · 01-13-2009, 12:59 PM

What is a few various?

cherrylula · 01-13-2009, 01:28 PM

When the 2257 issue was more buzz a while back several people were scrambling to profit from it, and it doesn't seem like much happened.

Third party record keepers would have too much liability, and you said "small monthly fee"...

I think they'd need to charge and arm and a leg for a service like that, but that's just my useless opinion.

crockett · 01-13-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

I own 2257regulations.com and 2257regs.com...

But I don't think that idea would fly.

Let's pretend that I am the record keeper for your website, and you put up a content set that you don't have the proper docs on, but you still list me as the custodian. Soon afterwards, I get a knock on the door from the feds wanting to see the paperwork for that set, and you never sent it to me. Who's in trouble then?

The person whom is hosting the content.. IE the primary/secondary producer. The 3rd party is not a producer, just the records keeper.

crockett · 01-13-2009, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

What is a few various?

There has been a few people that have posted in the past, that said they were working on 2257 software.. That's what I was talking about in replying to Fletch.

JP-pornshooter · 01-13-2009, 03:47 PM

should work, but probably best left to a non profit organization. to keep things somewhat un-biased etc.
AIM could be an option or part of a solution since they already have 99% of talent id's in their database.

gideongallery · 01-13-2009, 05:36 PM

ok i am confused i thought the point of the the 3rd party deal was to make it more like the canadian system, so i buy content from you
i link to you as the record keeper

My 2257 documentation is basically a spreadsheet with all my sets and who i bought them from.

Scootermuze · 01-13-2009, 08:32 PM

Nobody in their right mind would trust adult webmasters enough to start such an endeavor..

If someone did take it on, it would more than likely be a crash & burn business shortly after launch..

Major risk..

tony286 · 01-13-2009, 08:37 PM

ccbill should do it, they have the trust and they have the hosting.

crockett · 01-13-2009, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Nobody in their right mind would trust adult webmasters enough to start such an endeavor..

If someone did take it on, it would more than likely be a crash & burn business shortly after launch..

Major risk..

If you read 2257.. the risk is not the record keepers. They are just the location for the records. The liability is still on each producer secondary & primary to have the records in place before the content is used not the 3rd party record keeper.

crockett · 01-13-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

ok i am confused i thought the point of the the 3rd party deal was to make it more like the canadian system, so i buy content from you
i link to you as the record keeper

My 2257 documentation is basically a spreadsheet with all my sets and who i bought them from.

There is more than just linking to the records keeper. You have to supply links of where the content was used, plus a few other things. So lets say you link to your sponsors 2257.. Well that's not good enough, because they will not have all the urls of where you used the content.

01-13-2009, 09:53 AM	#1
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Warning Business Topic!!! 2257 related With the new 2257 regs inching in, it seems like there could be a good opportunity for the "right" company. With the new regulations it appears that the govt is now allowing us to legally link to a 3rd party for our 2257 legal requirements. It seems like this could be the perfect opportunity for the "right" company to become a independent 3rd party records holder for the industry. I stress the "right" company because no one is going to trust their asses to some GFY dimwit which leaves me out.. I wanted to post this because I've seen no one talk of this and I'm really surprised no one has thought of the idea. If we had a trusted company then primary producers could send in the legal docs to this "3rd party" then the 3rd party could become the record keeper for the many secondary producers and affiliates. This would greatly reduce the risk for performers being their ID's and personal info would not be handed out to just anyone. It would also simplify things greatly for both affiliates and even the DOJ whom inspects the records. While I'm not a 2257 expert, I do know that just linking to a primary producer is not going to fly. As other records still need to be kept, such as links to the location the content is listed. A centralized 3rd party could use software that allows affiliates and producers to simply input their data via the web. Charging a small monthly fee from both primary and secondary producers/affiliates could make this a profitable business and still provide a reliable and cheap service for the industry as a whole. IMO this should likely be a company in LA, simply because so much of the industry is located there. Anyway just a thought and a idea.. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator. Last edited by crockett; 01-13-2009 at 09:58 AM..

01-13-2009, 10:19 AM	#2
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01-13-2009, 12:11 PM	#6
ExtremeBank_Adam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,671	I own 2257regulations.com and 2257regs.com... But I don't think that idea would fly. Let's pretend that I am the record keeper for your website, and you put up a content set that you don't have the proper docs on, but you still list me as the custodian. Soon afterwards, I get a knock on the door from the feds wanting to see the paperwork for that set, and you never sent it to me. Who's in trouble then? __________________ ExtremeBank.com, the EXTREME program for the Pornicate.com Network of sites: Naughty Alysha, Roxy Raye, Buddha Bang, Angie Noir, Fisting Sex, Extreme Ty & many more. Email: adam [at] extremebank.com \| ICQ: 331-797-412

01-13-2009, 05:36 PM	#12
gideongallery Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 7,082	ok i am confused i thought the point of the the 3rd party deal was to make it more like the canadian system, so i buy content from you i link to you as the record keeper My 2257 documentation is basically a spreadsheet with all my sets and who i bought them from. __________________ “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

01-13-2009, 12:59 PM	#7
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	What is a few various?

01-13-2009, 01:28 PM	#8
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	When the 2257 issue was more buzz a while back several people were scrambling to profit from it, and it doesn't seem like much happened. Third party record keepers would have too much liability, and you said "small monthly fee"... I think they'd need to charge and arm and a leg for a service like that, but that's just my useless opinion.

01-13-2009, 03:47 PM	#11
JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	should work, but probably best left to a non profit organization. to keep things somewhat un-biased etc. AIM could be an option or part of a solution since they already have 99% of talent id's in their database.

01-13-2009, 08:32 PM	#13
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	Nobody in their right mind would trust adult webmasters enough to start such an endeavor.. If someone did take it on, it would more than likely be a crash & burn business shortly after launch.. Major risk..

01-13-2009, 08:37 PM	#14
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	ccbill should do it, they have the trust and they have the hosting.