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webrodega 01-13-2009 01:08 PM

WEBAIR ROCKS..so what the hell are you all on?
 
Webair totally rocks and is awesome the best hosting company been with them for 8 years and never had a problem!!!!!!!! Let's hear it for Webair, it's all good man.

Wizzo 01-13-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by quantum-x (Post 15313807)
ISPrime+MojoHost.
Anyone can put a box online. Only some companies can keep it online.
Only some of those companies can support the boxes that are online.

Even rarer than that are the companies that understand infrastructure and scalibility.

The two mentioned hosts are hosts that understand client requirements, and will pre-emptively organise your cluster to avoid potential problems.

Not to mention 24/7 ICQ support.

I've never dealt with Webair, but I can say ISPrime and Mojo are both stellar outfits! :thumbsup

DaddysDough 01-13-2009 01:17 PM

I as well host with webair, they have been good to me so far!

HorseShit 01-13-2009 01:28 PM

Good hosting companies (in no order)

Yellowfiber
Mojohost
Isprime
Techiemedia
Natnet
Phatservers

Lance69 01-13-2009 02:11 PM

I had mixed times with webair... over about a two month span the whole thing going down for everyday for a week straight, sql shitting the best once a week etc. No real explaination given usually they just restarted apache and waited for the issues to happen again. But for some reason I just could not get things fixed.
Went to exmasters, good company, for support issues I'd wait maybe 12 hours or so sometimes to get responses, unless I luckily caught them online and stuff got fixed fast. Overall good experience.
Tried out Phatservers and have never been happier. Fastest response times, (I've never waited more than 10 minutes for a human response), situation updates if the fix takes more than a few minutes, and always willing to explain exactly what went wrong. :2 cents:

wasteland 01-13-2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 15312455)
Time to move to another hosting company. I suggest you to contact Brad Mitchell, I don't have to name his company: everybody knows it, everybody loves it.

That would be mojohost. Wasteland moved its network there in December and we are totally delighted with all aspects of their hosting and support.

Colin

sortie 01-13-2009 02:57 PM

http://isprime.com

Sooner or later many of you will be there anyway.

My advice : Make it sooner.

Oracle Porn 01-13-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelli58 (Post 15312713)
Your sites have been down for 3 days and you have time to post here? I'm sorry but I don't buy it. If my sites were down for 3 hours, let alone 3 days you wouldn't find me posting here, not sitting on my ass waiting for a response. I would I don't know at the very least log into the control panel and click the LIVE HELP button and demand a response, or send them 4370 emails and demand a response and oh I don't know, call them? I mean the phone rocks and its a great way to get someone to pay attention to you. But even then if all of those methods didn't work I would also ICQ the sales team which all seem to provide their ICQ contacts here on these boards ...... and do keep in mind that is just if my site was down for 3 hours. You are saying that 3 days later you are still waiting on a rely to your ticket?

I'm sorry but that just doesn't sound right.

I have been with Web Air about 3 months now and in that time I have had to submit a ticket or talk to tech support 9 times now for various things - mostly oopsys I have made and in that time I have never ever ever had to wait with the exception of a software package they were installing for me that ran into some problems and even then it only took them a total of 10 hours and during which time I had FOUR different tech support people speak with me and answer each and every question I had.

So I don't know why you are having such a problem but that is my honest 100% truthful experience with them.

I have been in this business over 13 years and I can honestly say without a doubt, 100% truth is that I have never ever ever ever ever had a more enjoyment web hosting experience.

Their sales and technical support staff all but fall over themselves to help me and I'm really a nobody. I just have one tiny little dedicated server. I can't imagine the level of support they must give the big boys.

http://packphour.files.wordpress.com...mmon-sense.jpg

Axelo9 01-13-2009 03:08 PM

mojohost.com!!! the best Mr Brad Mitchell !!!

brassmonkey 01-13-2009 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Axelo9 (Post 15322458)
mojohost.com!!! the best Mr Brad Mitchell !!!

OMG that guy in your avatar ive seen him b4 his teeth look like yellow piano keys :1orglaugh

Oracle Porn 01-13-2009 03:15 PM

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JC-PPO 01-13-2009 03:16 PM

I just signed up for a dedicated server from them, hope I dont run into trouble ><

Gnus 01-13-2009 03:23 PM

We was with them a few years back had nothing but mysql problems and apache problems all the time. Glad we switched. As far as we are concerned with the experience we had with them is that webair sucks.

Garyh

Snake Doctor 01-13-2009 03:38 PM

Webair support threads are hilarious. They've bought about as many sigs here as they have disgruntled ex-customers from here just to keep things even.

Here's the problem I had with their support.....I'm not calling names or bashing or anything, this is straight up constructive criticism and if they pay attention it could go a long way towards making their customers happy.

If I had a problem and turned in a ticket, it would take a minimum of 24 hours for someone to look at the ticket. Seriously.
So for anything more important than adding a new domain or email address I couldn't use the ticket system, I had to call.
So I would call, and to their credit someone would always answer....I would explain the problem and that person would tell me they were on it, and then hang up.

An hour or two would go by and the problem wasn't fixed. So I called back, asked for the tech I spoke with earlier, but that tech wasn't there anymore....so I had to explain everything all over again to a new tech who told me he was on it....and hung up....and the process repeated itself all over again.

A ticket system is preferable, because you can keep track of things...what time it was submitted, who worked on it, what they did, when did it get handed off to someone else....etc.....but if you don't answer tickets in a timely fashion, then that system is useless and customers are forced to call.
Then your techs spend all their time on the phone and not answering tickets, and the problem perpetuates itself, and since there's no system to keep track of what was done via phone support, you end up with alot of problems not being fixed and alot of pissed off customers on the boards bitching about Webair.

My advice would be to ditch the phone support altogether and just stick with a priority ticket system. Some of the best tech support I've ever had was from hosts who didn't offer phone support.

If you insist on keeping the phone support then at least require the techs to create a ticket for every phone call and document what was done and not done so shit doesn't slip through the cracks.

That's why I left Webair a long time ago....getting support was too much of a headache. :2 cents:

Davy 01-13-2009 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance69 (Post 15322226)
I had mixed times with webair... over about a two month span the whole thing going down for everyday for a week straight, sql shitting the best once a week etc. No real explaination given usually they just restarted apache and waited for the issues to happen again. But for some reason I just could not get things fixed.

They obviously have two lines of workers. The front row guys don't know their stuff very well.
You should have asked to get a senior tech to work on it.

Europeeing Lee 01-13-2009 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Davy (Post 15322546)
They obviously have two lines of workers. The front row guys don't know their stuff very well.
You should have asked to get a senior tech to work on it.

you shouldn't have to ask for ANYONE, the work should just GET DONE

Boss Traffic Jim 01-13-2009 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Europeeing Lee (Post 15322552)
you shouldn't have to ask for ANYONE, the work should just GET DONE

Exactly !!!!! and this is just one of the reasons to host with a Superior Quality host like TechieMedia. You will never have any support issues with these guys, NEVER.

:2 cents:

18teens 01-13-2009 07:02 PM

Webair has the worst support of any hosting company I've ever been with (except for maybe a couple that are no longer in business).

Matyko 01-13-2009 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasteland (Post 15322353)
That would be mojohost. Wasteland moved its network there in December and we are totally delighted with all aspects of their hosting and support.

Colin

Good to hear you're happy as well. But it didn't surprise me :winkwink:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axelo9 (Post 15322458)
mojohost.com!!! the best Mr Brad Mitchell !!!

:pimp:pimp:pimp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Europeeing Lee (Post 15322552)
you shouldn't have to ask for ANYONE, the work should just GET DONE

-=- ! QFT ! -=-

Brad Mitchell 01-15-2009 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymor (Post 15317427)
I would yell at you too. The thing is, it's not a case of "oh apache is down maybe we
should restart that service". Rather it's a case of "Apache isn't responding within a
reasonable time, let's find out WHY so we can fix the actual problem." By restarting
it you made it a hundred times harder to find the problem as you're now asking them
to figure out what the problem WAS rather than what the problem IS. You should have
called them. Imagine a friend asks you to help with their web site. They email you
saying "the page didn't look right, so I deleted it - what was wrong with it?". It's
somewhat similar - you need to SEE the problem in order to diagnose it and fix it.
(Though sometimes a diagnosis can be made from log files.)


Ray is totally right here on all points.

Outside of all that, it IS asking a lot for a host to monitor your server if it truly does fall in the un-managed category. Here's why - simply put that does not work in scale with hundreds or thousands of servers. First, it has a monitoring system paging techs all the time when it's not supposed to be. If a server is truly unmanaged, there is no proper response from the host. You may have screwed the server up, rebooted it yourself, turned off a service intentionally.... you don't want a host rebooting something that you just rebooted. Case in point, managed should be managed and done by a clear set of standards and practices. Un-managed is just that, it's a server that's priced like an auto rental: it's your job to drive yourself.

Brad

Phil21 01-16-2009 12:55 AM

Man.. me chiming in on a "me too" post that Brad makes? What is this world coming to?!

But yes. Me too. I fully agree.

Managed is managed. Things are setup in a specific manner so technical staff can quickly, and efficiently diagnose a problem that may occur. Every time we've ceded to a customer and given them administrative privileges on a machine it has led to nothing but problems due to unmaintainable and undocumented changes being made.

When I can login to a machine and *know* certain things are setup in a certain way, so I don't need to go through a 500 point bullet list of things to check, I can *very* quickly delve into where I believe the problem might lie. If I have to go through 50 config files in a chain of troubleshooting that a customer may or may not have edited.. Well, it that exponentially wastes both my time, and increases the time your site is down. Don't even get me started on the "control panel" software out there... :)

While I cannot speak for anyone else, believe it or not, we truly *do* care that your site is down or not performing to your expectations. Over all my years in this business, when a customer is down or otherwise upset, I still cannot sleep, and get that huge knot in my stomach until it is fully resolved. When that goes away, I will know it's time to quit this business. Truly, when folks are effected by our screwups I do show physical signs of distress and will do whatever it takes to make things right again.

I know other hosts here are very similar. Some are not. Choose wisely!

If you go unmanaged, then understand this. Does your server ping? Yes? Is the hardware functional? Yes? Then guess what? Your host just fulfilled their end of the bargain. If you broke some software, it is entirely and 100% your issue to resolve. Hopefully your host DOES care, and will assist you, but do realize this is far and beyond what they "have" to or even should be doing.

I do agree that one of my pet peeves is customers calling in asking for a "regular reboot" just because.. Someone told them they should reboot their server every week or whatever. If you have someone competent running your systems, you should have uptimes measured in years. The only reboots necessary would be for critical kernel upgrades when/if security or performance issues arise. If you are having stuff being rebooted more than that, something is wrong with either your server configuration, your application(s), or the machine is underpowered.

Regards,

-Phil

rowan 01-16-2009 01:14 AM

Here's my experience with Webair... read about halfway down to see the actual timeline of events versus what they claimed... it was 3 hours before I even received an automated email saying my server was dead!

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=807012

I should add that was the only major problem I could recall - it wasn't like my server was going down every second day. I left them once my contract was up anyway.

billyde 07-01-2009 11:14 AM

I switched my hosting to Webair recently. Big mistake. I've been with them for about 2 weeks... and my sites have been spotty ever since. They tell me its a problem with routing and it's not their fault. Hmmm. They told me a tech was looking into it and I'd get an answer within 30 minutes... 4 hours later I had to call back and ask WTF is going on. The guy got an attitude with me... told me that other things came up that they had to deal with. I'm not bullshitting with these people anymore. Webair is horrible!

Net Money 07-01-2009 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billyde (Post 16019487)
I switched my hosting to Webair recently. Big mistake. I've been with them for about 2 weeks... and my sites have been spotty ever since. They tell me its a problem with routing and it's not their fault. Hmmm. They told me a tech was looking into it and I'd get an answer within 30 minutes... 4 hours later I had to call back and ask WTF is going on. The guy got an attitude with me... told me that other things came up that they had to deal with. I'm not bullshitting with these people anymore. Webair is horrible!

You really should talk to the people at www.techiemedia.com Never any issues with them and the support is by far the best in the biz period. I moved to them a bit over a year ago after trying several other "well known" hosts and all I can say is nobody even comes close.:2 cents::2 cents:

18teens 07-01-2009 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billyde (Post 16019487)
I switched my hosting to Webair recently. Big mistake. I've been with them for about 2 weeks... and my sites have been spotty ever since. They tell me its a problem with routing and it's not their fault. Hmmm. They told me a tech was looking into it and I'd get an answer within 30 minutes... 4 hours later I had to call back and ask WTF is going on. The guy got an attitude with me... told me that other things came up that they had to deal with. I'm not bullshitting with these people anymore. Webair is horrible!

Webair is seriously the worst host ever.

Rochard 07-01-2009 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darnit (Post 15315230)
Webair was the shit (and by that I mean good) a couple years ago but I left them and all my boxes to natnet based on their price match promo. I have never looked back. I left webair for exactly what you described, their tech support went downhill in a BIG way. I've yet to experience a second of downtime and while natnet has an 800 number 24/7 their email system is top notch with someone usually resolving a problem within an hour, first response in 5 mins.

It's a shame, webair WAS a great host back in the day but there is NO WAY I would host with them again. Tech support is totally garbage minus a few decent admins - which you will be lucky to get.

I'm with National Net all the way.

Even before I was with National Net, I had a problem that our current host couldn't solve. Tony Morgan got wind of my problem, somehow magically got my cell phone number, called me at like 3am my time, and spent an hour on the phone with me trying to unfuck my problem - with another hosting company. Less than six months later we moved to National Net and I've never looked back. When I put in a work order at 3am their time, they respond quickly - and they always pick up the telephone no matter what time of the night or morning it is.

Top notch.

abostonboy 07-01-2009 03:35 PM

WebAir Sucks.

clickyclick 07-01-2009 04:12 PM

After reading this thread, I don't think I'll ever host with webair.

HomerSimpson 07-01-2009 06:38 PM

I used them b4 and they SUCK!
And their support SUCKS!!!

niche25 07-01-2009 07:09 PM

I have had a couple Webair accounts for years now and the few times I have needed support it took at least a few days to a couple weeks.

webair 07-01-2009 07:42 PM

hmmmm seems fishy to me

GrouchyAdmin 07-01-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by webair (Post 16021349)
hmmmm seems fishy to me

I missed the original - there's no way you can be talking about Dave. He's been talking up your services since, shit, at least 2005.

billyde 07-01-2009 09:42 PM

Quote:

hmmmm seems fishy to me
what seems fishy?

Webair totally sucks balls. I want my money back! Let's see if they honor their refund policy.

icymelon 07-01-2009 10:49 PM

if you got an emergency you gotta call them. Work your way up the food chain.

Barefootsies 07-01-2009 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 15312455)
Time to move to another hosting company. I suggest you to contact Brad Mitchell, I don't have to name his company: everybody knows it, everybody loves it.

:thumbsup

Barefootsies 07-01-2009 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingRedOnion (Post 15313249)
Firstly - 5 hour ticket response time = unacceptable.

Enough said.

Barefootsies 07-01-2009 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickyclick (Post 16020872)
After reading this thread, I don't think I'll ever host with webair.

:thumbsup

Mr.Right - Banned For Life 07-01-2009 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by webair (Post 16021349)
hmmmm seems fishy to me

great reply!

:1orglaugh

SBJ 07-02-2009 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Right (Post 16021790)
great reply!

:1orglaugh


No shit!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

but hey what else can they say??

BluMedia 07-02-2009 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 15312455)
Time to move to another hosting company. I suggest you to contact Brad Mitchell, I don't have to name his company: everybody knows it, everybody loves it.

Well said I fucking love Mojo. :thumbsup

Mark


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