yes we used to burn witches too , maybe we should bring that back

Maybe Hamas targets were hiding out there. You know they have no qualms about hiding in schools, mosques and hospitals.

were you there watching these main leaders? Did you grow up with them? :error

Especially if you live in New York city.

Yes, Palestinian rockets are bad, I mean look at the damage they do. This place now needs a new roof.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...9Z4UA/340x.jpg

Easy to forget there is no real army in Palestine only cheap rockets.

In retaliation Israel bombs Gaza for two weeks strait killing 600 people. Good work. :thumbsup

Everyone is so quick to demonize Israel, but they forget that the Palestinians don't come out looking too clean in this whole mess either. Hamas is a dirty bunch, and are basically terrorists. They would use children as shield, if they have the chance.

Israel has brought this upon themselves, by basically stealing their land, and running them out of their own territory, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't defend themselves.

I've always felt sympathetic towards native Americans, and think they got a raw deal, but that doesn't mean the US shouldn't squash them if they try to take back what's theirs.

Civilian Casualties happen during anything like that.. there's loss on both sides. Imagine how people felt after ww2 and YEARS of bombardment on their homes and other civilllian places.. Sad, but true.

Oh the horror! The poor, oppressed people of Sderot and Ashkelon...we can only imagine what they go through! :(

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :thumbsup

So cheap rockets are worse than not cheap rockets why? You think the Israeli's who have been subjected to those rockets for how long now would feel any differently than the palastinians who have been attacked by Israeli rockets? How about we have one of each pointed at you and when they're done you tell us all which was the lesser of two evils.

Oh and I am not picking sides, I actually have friends who live in both countries. However, it doesn't matter who's side anyone is one, the fact of the matter is NEITHER side is without blame. Pretty much the case in 99.9% of wars.

If you shoot me in the ass with a BB gun and I retaliate by blowing your head off with a double-barreled shotgun, yes, it will make a difference :2 cents:

technology has moved on a little from ww2, over 25% civilian casualties in the current conflict is way too high

Except Palestine isn't really a country and has no army.

Palestine has been more like a reserve.

This is what an Israeli friend (believe it or not) had to say in defense of the Palestinians :

If you put a cat in cage and poke it daily with a stick it will come out scratching.

The solution is not to say "see the cat is crazy and deserves to be caged" then poke it some more.

have you seen the casualty figures over the past 5 years? 6 israelies die to every 100 palestinans

Wow, that last sentence is an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. "The US should squash Native Americans if they try to take back what is THEIRS" And there is the problem. Too many people think this way. It's all about fuck all non whites! I suppose you feel the blondies should keep all the diamond, gold, silver, etc etc mines they "own" in Africa as well too? Of course the people there that own the land and live there for generations should FUCKING DIE if they get in the way of white power. :mad:

It's not about white power. Some people are conquered, and I like NOT being among them. I'd also like it to remain that way. What am I (and you) supposed to do? Just give everything up and let everyone have what's rightfully theirs? It's great to be sympathetic and idealistic, but it doesn't help you in the real world.

I even think that Islamic extremist terrorists have their side of the story, and they feel that they are fighting for a just cause. They believe what they do is right, and it is, if you look at things from their perspective. Does that mean I think they SHOULDN'T be hunted down and killed like cockroaches?

So explains, that even according to the IDF, there are not many Hamas fighters in the 800 deads .... ?

How come we do not see in the rubble rocket launchers, RPG, machine guns ...?

What we see is kids and women...

Nice going Israel...:thumbsup Makes me proud that we gave you a country.

It's easy to see what you are. :2 cents:

as for the shoe being on the other foot, the world works in a system one day it will be the other way around, maybe not in our lifetimes but it will be turned around. That is the nature of the universe. As long as attitudes like yours exist war will be the sum of humanity. :disgust

And where do you live? In the States? So yuou're saying you'd give up your life and your family's, as long as some poor people are not oppressed? I doubt that. If Islamic terrorism affected you directly, you would not be saying these things.

You don't what I am. Just because I like living, and care about my own family's survival, does not make me evil. I say them get before they get us! Everyone else thinks that also. They just wouldn't say it, because they like to perpetuate the idea that war is not necessary, and someday we will all settle our differences and hug each other in utopia.

Human shields?

that's tubbish, but even if true, human shields only work if the israelis know they are there. and if they know they are there they shouldn't bomb it.

When are people going to get it? WE created Islamic terrorists to do a job we wanted. Once the job was done we made them the enemy. They don't hate us for our freedoms. They hate us because we have a two-faced political agendas. In addition to that ALL of these conflicts are nothing but certain factions using religions to further their agenda of world control. Once people get it through their think heads that BOTH sides are being played by the same people (and always have been) to further their own agenda the better.

lets count how many people have died from "islamic terrorism" in israel then in the states since 2000

lets not even bother because we know way way way more americans have died than israelis , so please explain how "islamic terrorism" doesn't affect americans but only affects israelis ?


just fyi thousands of americans have died compared to a few dozen israeli's

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7822048.stm


Maybe rockets fit the Israeli agenda.. as well as the US One :2 cents:

Yes I live in the states. And yes I would love to see them cleared of people who don't belong here. I would not be one of them because my blood is from here on both sides so I'm good, and that's why I feel like the arabs do, I'm a prisoner in my own land. The only difference is this zoo here takes better care of it's animals. :helpme

A few dozen Israeli's? Are you joking? Since the conflict started in 2000 even the UN's skewed numbers from late 2007 show that over 1000 Israeli's were killed, with almost 70% of those civilians. In addition for every person killed 7 were injured. Then take into account that Israel barely has over 7 million citizens. New York City alone has over 8 million people.

Please link to 1000 DEAD Israeli since 2000 ... and the 7000 injured ....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UN9Wz...e=channel_page

some may call this propaganda, otbhers evidence, i will say if they are willing to put it in the public eye, its probably truth since it can be investigated.

Grant it this is outdated but


123 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,050 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

1,062 Israelis and at least 4,876 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

During Fiscal Year 2007, the U.S. gave more than $6.8 million per day to Israel and $0.3 million per day to the Palestinians.

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.

The Israeli unemployment rate is 7.3%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 23%. (Again outdated last estimate is now somewhere around 50% now)

Israel currently has 223 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

here is a bit more up to date:

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/d9d...2!OpenDocument

I just wanted the original poster to show the nuumber of palestians death also..

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/d9d...ElemFormat=jpg

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/d9d...ElemFormat=jpg

With the latest 800 + palestians killed versus 14 israelis ( including 4 from Israeli tank shell ) , these graphs will change.

i was talking about from rockets not from war conflict, if we are including those numbers then we must include american casualties in iraq, either way you obviously missed the point entirely.

The point was it is silly to say americans don't understand because islamic terrorism doesn't affect us when we have had even by your own admission MORE people killed than israel has. so it does affect us. Saying it doesn't is silly.

don't think that is spectacular enough for " Profits of Doom " :

http://www.cjpme.ca/documents/35%20E...acks%20v.1.pdf

This is all a smoke screen .... The ultimate goal of Israel is to get the palestinians to leave and take over their land ...

Do I need to post a land " evolution " diagram to show how much land the zionist have stolen.... ?

Come on you antisemitic bastards.

Israel's doing about 50% infidel / 50% civilian with their war machine. Can't we all celebrate that? Shit. I just put a fucking yammika tree in my fish tank so my fish are kosher. Either get on the band wagon or not. Pansies.

You own words were number of Israeli's killed by Islamic terrorism compared to number of American's killed. I merely responded to that. You didn't say anything about rocket attacks. Were any of the Americans killed in rocket attacks? Absolutely not. I never said anything about American's not understanding, you always complain about people putting words in your mouth so don't put them in mine.

Personally I find the whole thing to be ridiculous. The Palestinians should have been absorbed into another Arab country after Israel won the War of Independence. Whether it is right or wrong it is what happens when you lose a war, period. The Israeli's drove a lot of Palestinians out before the war, but far more left voluntarily and joined Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon in the fighting. They were told by those countries to leave and that the Jews would be destroyed, and then they would be able to reclaim their land. Guess what, it didn't happen, so too bad. Rather than give a shit about their "Arab brethren" and absorb them into their countries they created the "Palestinian Problem" by refusing them and forcing them to become refugees.

By the way, a lot of Europeans are living on Jewish lands and in Jewish homes that they just waltzed into after the Jews were rounded up in the Holocaust. Did the Jews ever get that back? I don't think so. A lot of Jews that lived in Arab countries long before Islam was an itch in Mohammed's pants lost their land, home, businesses, money, etc. when Israel was established, and do you think they ever got that back? :1orglaugh

I'm just curious.
How do you deem a land / home "Jewish"?

yep let us wait until the Palestinians killed enough Israeli, so we can kill the same amount back again. Are you fucked in your head. :321GFY

Very simple

Hamas elected as leader >>>>

Hamas shoots rockets into Israel = Act or war >>>>

We (finally) shoot back >>>>

When we kill more of them then they kill us we won. :thumbsup = Stop rockets on my roof = Palestinian civilians can work on building there country, educate there children in stead of brainwashing them into killing all what is not following the Koran.

Is that why when Hamas was elected ( under a Israeli-US planned election ) Israel started a blockade, cut ressources ( fuel, water, electricity) , seized Palestinians funds, armed-financed Fathah to take over Gaza and so on ....

.. and I don't even bring up kand claim ...

Then you wonder why ....

LOl you think they didn't bombed us before lol. When you know a country gets corrupted with terrorists you take action. When your neighbor makes to much noise you go to his Landlord, he ignores the warnings you kick him in the face, it's all that simple.

Land claim other funny thing.

Our family lives in Israel for hundreds of years. We had many ground whith oranges plantations (my family are the people of the known Jaffa brand).

In favor of peace and happiness we gave (or is is it just be taken by the Brits) more then 50% of the ground what has be 100's of years in our family to the pact. ANY idea what the Palestinians did with this fertile money making ground. LOL trust me you don't want to know.

Fact is if the Palestinians spend the same energy in positive things as they do in negative they would be a great nation. But I have hope, woman are getting up there big time. They are demanding more and more there place, and clearly with a smarter mind then the man.

ain't NEVER EVER EVER gonna happen. the arabs are to mean and stupid to allow anything like that to happen