What are you doing to protect the identity of your models? - GoFuckYourself.com

Libertine · 01-08-2009, 09:18 PM

I just came across (linked on another board), and it made me wonder...

It's always been a given that for most models, their friends and family would eventually figure out what they did.

However, with the current rise of groups of internet trolls who take pleasure in causing as much damage as possible to people's personal life, it reaches a whole new level. In the example I linked, trolls sent out messages to her friends list on myspace and are mailing printed hardcore pictures of her to her family.

Looking at places like /b/, I'm fairly sure that this sort of thing is likely to happen more often in the future, and in even more extreme ways.

Of course, it will eventually harm the industry, and especially the models that are the core of our business.

So, does anyone have ideas on how to deal with this?

Spunky · 01-08-2009, 09:45 PM

I guess everybody who is in the public eye is some sort of target.they know they are risks and a price to pay.carry mace

Fat Panda · 01-08-2009, 09:47 PM

that is kind of funny

Ice · 01-08-2009, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine

I just came across (linked on another board), and it made me wonder...

It's always been a given that for most models, their friends and family would eventually figure out what they did.

However, with the current rise of groups of internet trolls who take pleasure in causing as much damage as possible to people's personal life, it reaches a whole new level. In the example I linked, trolls sent out messages to her friends list on myspace and are mailing printed hardcore pictures of her to her family.

Looking at places like /b/, I'm fairly sure that this sort of thing is likely to happen more often in the future, and in even more extreme ways.

Of course, it will eventually harm the industry, and especially the models that are the core of our business.

So, does anyone have ideas on how to deal with this?

Please don't post links to other forums

Barefootsies · 01-08-2009, 09:51 PM

Depends.

1. Limited sales of content. Good record keeping on who has model releases.
2. If model I.D.'s are released. Void contract. No refund. Sue per terms outlined IN model release.
3. Go after site, image host, etc for site providing backbone to posting I.D.. Track down poster.

There are many things you can, and could do. Both in prevention, and enforcement.

However, my bet is most of the people responding to this thread will say the models signed up for this to get the quick cash, so fuck em. They knew what they were in for when signing the release.

Libertine · 01-08-2009, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

Please don't post links to other forums

Do you people even understand your own bloody rules?

That was a non-industry board. It won't take away the webmasters who come here. It's not competition for GFY.

The thread on it I linked to, however, is very relevant to the industry.

Barefootsies · 01-08-2009, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

Please don't post links to other forums

True dat.

Screen shot the original link nig. I think you are making a valid concern, and it is worthy of discussion.

Repost... screenshot.

Ice · 01-08-2009, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine

Do you people even understand your own bloody rules?

That was a non-industry board. It won't take away the webmasters who come here. It's not competition for GFY.

The thread on it I linked to, however, is very relevant to the industry.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html

1. No spamming other boards! We don't spam other boards about GFY. We need the same courtesy!

It doesn't say No spamming other ADULT boards, it says No spamming other boards!

PERIOD

I can understand it's relevant to the industry but do it in a way that respects our rules

If you want to include something from a thread on another forum... cut and paste it

Libertine · 01-08-2009, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

True dat.

Screen shot the original link nig. I think you are making a valid concern, and it is worthy of discussion.

Repost... screenshot.

No screenshot.

Here is the link again:

And Ice, if you remove that link to a NON-INDUSTRY forum again, please hit the ban button next to my name as well.

Barefootsies · 01-08-2009, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

If you want to include something from a thread on another forum... cut and paste it

Word to your grandmother..

Libertine · 01-08-2009, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html

1. No spamming other boards! We don't spam other boards about GFY. We need the same courtesy!

It doesn't say No spamming other ADULT boards, it says No spamming other boards!

PERIOD

If you want to include something from a thread on another forum... cut and paste it

Look up the word "spamming".

Barefootsies · 01-08-2009, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by libertine

please hit the ban button next to my name as well.

nooooooooooo!!!!!

Spunky · 01-08-2009, 10:02 PM

I like this for a sig lol

Ice · 01-08-2009, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine

No screenshot.

Here is the link again:

And Ice, if you remove that link to a NON-INDUSTRY forum again, please hit the ban button next to my name as well.

ban button hit

EXPORT · 01-08-2009, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine

No screenshot.

Here is the link again:

And Ice, if you remove that link to a NON-INDUSTRY forum again, please hit the ban button next to my name as well.

u have a very good point

now I think there is a difference between linking and spamming

same old same old gfy....

Spunky · 01-08-2009, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine

No screenshot.

Here is the link again:

And Ice, if you remove that link to a NON-INDUSTRY forum again, please hit the ban button next to my name as well.

I guess if you didn't understand the first time

Barefootsies · 01-08-2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

ban button hit

8char

2012 · 01-08-2009, 10:17 PM

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Barefootsies · 01-08-2009, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fartfly

wha wha wha whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

mrkris · 01-08-2009, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html

1. No spamming other boards! We don't spam other boards about GFY. We need the same courtesy!

It doesn't say No spamming other ADULT boards, it says No spamming other boards!

PERIOD

I can understand it's relevant to the industry but do it in a way that respects our rules

If you want to include something from a thread on another forum... cut and paste it

I think you mean "copy and paste".

Brujah · 01-08-2009, 10:26 PM

This topic is relevant.
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/879340-gfy-rule-3-rule-rarely-enforced.html

rayadp05 · 01-08-2009, 10:28 PM

I explain everything to the girls before they even come over for the shoot. I tell them that their photos and/or video will be inside of the "members only" area and I also tell them that I create promo galleries for my affiliates and they they will be distributed on the internet in order to generate sales to the paysite. The girls need to provide valid identification for my records and they need to sign the release form before any shooting takes place. At that time, they are giving up their rights to the content and providing me with the permission to distribute the content online....or any other way how I see fit. With that being said, they fully understand and realize that the content shot of them will be on the internet for people to see. If someone that they personally know comes across the content, that's not my problem. It's real simple...if the girl doesn't want people to see her on the internet then she should have never came over for the shoot in the first place.

ExLust · 01-08-2009, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunky

I guess everybody who is in the public eye is some sort of target.they know they are risks and a price to pay.carry mace

Besides they already know the consequences ahead. Plain and simple. That's the way it is.

CyberHustler · 01-08-2009, 11:16 PM

uno · 01-08-2009, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html

1. No spamming other boards! We don't spam other boards about GFY. We need the same courtesy!

It doesn't say No spamming other ADULT boards, it says No spamming other boards!

PERIOD

I can understand it's relevant to the industry but do it in a way that respects our rules

If you want to include something from a thread on another forum... cut and paste it

I think what he posted definitely does NOT fall under the definition of spamming.

He's one of the most intelligent posters on this board and its a huge mistake to ban him, imo.

Ice · 01-08-2009, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

I think what he posted definitely does NOT fall under the definition of spamming.

He's one of the most intelligent posters on this board and its a huge mistake to ban him, imo.

One can argue the term "spamming" but when I ask him not to post links to other forums in this thread, and he does it again it's pretty clear.

uno · 01-08-2009, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

One can argue the term "spamming" but when I ask him not to post links to other forums in this thread, and he does it again it's pretty clear.

Eh, Eric cleared it up anyway and made it less ambiguous and unbanned him, so yay.

Libertine · 01-09-2009, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

One can argue the term "spamming" but when I ask him not to post links to other forums in this thread, and he does it again it's pretty clear.

I posted it again because it was a 5-page thread (too long to just copy-paste) which was very relevant to the industry (surfer trolls doing their best to destroy a random model's life and joking they might drive her to suicide) and it was not on an industry board.

I probably should have been less confrontational about it though, sorry about that.

woj · 01-09-2009, 12:17 AM

damn, you got unabnned quickly, no one even got a chance to post an "owned" pic... heh

HaleyWilde · 01-09-2009, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunky

I guess everybody who is in the public eye is some sort of target.they know they are risks and a price to pay.carry mace

LOL....exactly

I have a little can in my car, on my keychain, in my purse....hell, I'll probably spray myself on accident before I ever get the chance to use it on some crazy!!

nickutis · 01-09-2009, 02:19 AM

How can i get the url to that forum thread?

Penny24Seven · 01-09-2009, 03:05 AM

I have learned to tell the girls what things they can do to protect themselves because 100% of the time the ONLY reason they were found on the net was their own mouth. Hell my site is hard for me to fucking find.

1. Tell them not to share their "porn name". It took all of 12 seconds for her porn name to be googled and I get a phone call saying how the hell did my friends find out so fast. I asked what she had told them and her reply was "only my name" Well her name was as common as an 18 year old virgin who wants to do porn on her birthday and is fine with a huge 12 inch cock as long as she has a matching one in her ass too HAHA

2. another girl asked for a couple of dvds and I asked what she wanted them for. she said to watch at home and I told her ok but do NOT let them out of your site because they are watermarked with the web site. I even said if she thinks there is even the smallest chance she will fuck that up I can make copies from the raw files so there will not be a watermark or even make up a site that is fake just to throw them off if they did find them and you can say the site went out of business. Well she didn't want to wait so she took the watermarked dvds. Well she tells someone at her work and he begs to see and offers her fifty bucks for the dvd and she sells it to him forgetting about the watermark because that 50 bucks is so much money that you just lose focus on everything around you and run to the fucking bank and deposit that million dollar fifty dollar bill. It was a wood working company that was 99% men and she was like the main girl that you would meet as you walked in the front door and even handed out the pay checks. How long do you think it took before every guy knew she was banging her friends? I can tell you it did not take as long as it did for you to just read that story HAHA.

and to finish off my top 3 dumb fucking things they have done to pretty much just have porn tattooed on their foreheads.

3. but I just told him the site and I didn't even say it was .com or .net or anything like that. He must have looked for hours to find me...... Or maybe he just put the fucking ".COM" at the end of what you said and Ka bam there you are.

Well now I am mad just thinking about those fucking stupid times because all three of them blamed me and bitched me out because I didn't do enough to keep it quiet. Unless they do not show up for their first shoot plan on it cumming out like a fifty guy creampie HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

By the way. I think these girls like the attention and meant to fuck it up. Blaming me is just a pity party or a way to think I have to do something to make up for it. Oh poor baby let me buy you a new car for your troubles.
Girl 1... never really got mad but it caused her to tell her boyfriend right before he came home for his 2 week break and that lead to him making her quit.

Girl 2... is the biggest attention whore I have ever met. The minute another girl showed up she got hot and had to remove all her clothes and also had to lay in positions that would make it easy enough to see her spine from the front view of her body.

Girl 3...well I mean what the hell can I even say from anything she bitched about "FUC" you now go figure out what is missing on the end of that word.

I am good friends with one, another still makes videos and one just emails me to keep in touch. I am thinking I will get an email if she ever becomes single again. If that does not tell you which girl I am talking about then you probably agree with the girls that I did not do enough to protect them as well so go FUC yourself too HAHA

rowan · 01-09-2009, 04:34 AM

So can you post the link to the forum now? Or at least some relevant portions of the thread?

tranza · 01-09-2009, 05:30 AM

Kinda funny.... hahahahaha

Barefootsies · 01-09-2009, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian837

I have learned to tell the girls what things they can do to protect themselves because 100% of the time the ONLY reason they were found on the net was their own mouth. Hell my site is hard for me to fucking find.

1. Tell them not to share their "porn name". It took all of 12 seconds for her porn name to be googled and I get a phone call saying how the hell did my friends find out so fast. I asked what she had told them and her reply was "only my name" Well her name was as common as an 18 year old virgin who wants to do porn on her birthday and is fine with a huge 12 inch cock as long as she has a matching one in her ass too HAHA

2. another girl asked for a couple of dvds and I asked what she wanted them for. she said to watch at home and I told her ok but do NOT let them out of your site because they are watermarked with the web site. I even said if she thinks there is even the smallest chance she will fuck that up I can make copies from the raw files so there will not be a watermark or even make up a site that is fake just to throw them off if they did find them and you can say the site went out of business. Well she didn't want to wait so she took the watermarked dvds. Well she tells someone at her work and he begs to see and offers her fifty bucks for the dvd and she sells it to him forgetting about the watermark because that 50 bucks is so much money that you just lose focus on everything around you and run to the fucking bank and deposit that million dollar fifty dollar bill. It was a wood working company that was 99% men and she was like the main girl that you would meet as you walked in the front door and even handed out the pay checks. How long do you think it took before every guy knew she was banging her friends? I can tell you it did not take as long as it did for you to just read that story HAHA.

and to finish off my top 3 dumb fucking things they have done to pretty much just have porn tattooed on their foreheads.

3. but I just told him the site and I didn't even say it was .com or .net or anything like that. He must have looked for hours to find me...... Or maybe he just put the fucking ".COM" at the end of what you said and Ka bam there you are.

Well now I am mad just thinking about those fucking stupid times because all three of them blamed me and bitched me out because I didn't do enough to keep it quiet. Unless they do not show up for their first shoot plan on it cumming out like a fifty guy creampie HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

By the way. I think these girls like the attention and meant to fuck it up. Blaming me is just a pity party or a way to think I have to do something to make up for it. Oh poor baby let me buy you a new car for your troubles.
Girl 1... never really got mad but it caused her to tell her boyfriend right before he came home for his 2 week break and that lead to him making her quit.

Girl 2... is the biggest attention whore I have ever met. The minute another girl showed up she got hot and had to remove all her clothes and also had to lay in positions that would make it easy enough to see her spine from the front view of her body.

Girl 3...well I mean what the hell can I even say from anything she bitched about "FUC" you now go figure out what is missing on the end of that word.

I am good friends with one, another still makes videos and one just emails me to keep in touch. I am thinking I will get an email if she ever becomes single again. If that does not tell you which girl I am talking about then you probably agree with the girls that I did not do enough to protect them as well so go FUC yourself too HAHA

Very true.

I have once had 1 girl out of 100 be found randomly on the net. Some guy who had a foot fetish found one of out girls on YouTube or something. Anyways, the other handful of times it has happened, the girls ran her mouth to her friends, brother, whatever. Then they had a fight and blabbed.

Vicious_B · 01-09-2009, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

So can you post the link to the forum now? Or at least some relevant portions of the thread?

I also would be interested in reading that.

gimo33 · 01-09-2009, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

I also would be interested in reading that.

same here....

munki · 01-09-2009, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine

No screenshot.

Here is the link again:

And Ice, if you remove that link to a NON-INDUSTRY forum again, please hit the ban button next to my name as well.

tony286 · 01-09-2009, 05:28 PM

I think the problem with net is people think they are hidden so their dark side really comes out. Like outting models thats so fucked up and serves no point.You know if you met whoever is doing that in person they would probably border on meek.
I bet if it wasnt for the net you would have probably 75 percent cp viewers, people trying to pick up 14 yrs old girls, people stealing things they know they have no right too.
Its like a shield to bring out their fuckedupness. I went to a service once in a temple and the rabbi said lets face it people really stink by nature. I was floored to hear that but he was right and the net really brings that to the top in my opinion.

01-08-2009, 09:18 PM	#1
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	What are you doing to protect the identity of your models? I just came across (linked on another board), and it made me wonder... It's always been a given that for most models, their friends and family would eventually figure out what they did. However, with the current rise of groups of internet trolls who take pleasure in causing as much damage as possible to people's personal life, it reaches a whole new level. In the example I linked, trolls sent out messages to her friends list on myspace and are mailing printed hardcore pictures of her to her family. Looking at places like /b/, I'm fairly sure that this sort of thing is likely to happen more often in the future, and in even more extreme ways. Of course, it will eventually harm the industry, and especially the models that are the core of our business. So, does anyone have ideas on how to deal with this? __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/ Last edited by Ice; 01-08-2009 at 09:48 PM..

01-08-2009, 09:45 PM	#2
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,949	I guess everybody who is in the public eye is some sort of target.they know they are risks and a price to pay.carry mace __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

01-08-2009, 09:47 PM	#3
Fat Panda Porn is Dead. Move along. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,295	that is kind of funny Last edited by Fat Panda; 01-08-2009 at 09:49 PM..

01-08-2009, 09:51 PM	#5
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	Depends. 1. Limited sales of content. Good record keeping on who has model releases. 2. If model I.D.'s are released. Void contract. No refund. Sue per terms outlined IN model release. 3. Go after site, image host, etc for site providing backbone to posting I.D.. Track down poster. There are many things you can, and could do. Both in prevention, and enforcement. However, my bet is most of the people responding to this thread will say the models signed up for this to get the quick cash, so fuck em. They knew what they were in for when signing the release. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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2012 So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 17,189	wha wha wha whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

01-08-2009, 10:26 PM	#21
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01-08-2009, 10:28 PM	#22
rayadp05 TRUEAMATEURMODELS.COM Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TrueAmateurModels.com Posts: 4,187	I explain everything to the girls before they even come over for the shoot. I tell them that their photos and/or video will be inside of the "members only" area and I also tell them that I create promo galleries for my affiliates and they they will be distributed on the internet in order to generate sales to the paysite. The girls need to provide valid identification for my records and they need to sign the release form before any shooting takes place. At that time, they are giving up their rights to the content and providing me with the permission to distribute the content online....or any other way how I see fit. With that being said, they fully understand and realize that the content shot of them will be on the internet for people to see. If someone that they personally know comes across the content, that's not my problem. It's real simple...if the girl doesn't want people to see her on the internet then she should have never came over for the shoot in the first place. __________________ TrueAmateurModels.com Twitter TrueAmateurModels.com Affiliate Program

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01-09-2009, 12:17 AM	#29
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01-09-2009, 02:19 AM	#31
nickutis Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 719	How can i get the url to that forum thread?

01-09-2009, 03:05 AM	#32
Penny24Seven So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 6,287	I have learned to tell the girls what things they can do to protect themselves because 100% of the time the ONLY reason they were found on the net was their own mouth. Hell my site is hard for me to fucking find. 1. Tell them not to share their "porn name". It took all of 12 seconds for her porn name to be googled and I get a phone call saying how the hell did my friends find out so fast. I asked what she had told them and her reply was "only my name" Well her name was as common as an 18 year old virgin who wants to do porn on her birthday and is fine with a huge 12 inch cock as long as she has a matching one in her ass too HAHA 2. another girl asked for a couple of dvds and I asked what she wanted them for. she said to watch at home and I told her ok but do NOT let them out of your site because they are watermarked with the web site. I even said if she thinks there is even the smallest chance she will fuck that up I can make copies from the raw files so there will not be a watermark or even make up a site that is fake just to throw them off if they did find them and you can say the site went out of business. Well she didn't want to wait so she took the watermarked dvds. Well she tells someone at her work and he begs to see and offers her fifty bucks for the dvd and she sells it to him forgetting about the watermark because that 50 bucks is so much money that you just lose focus on everything around you and run to the fucking bank and deposit that million dollar fifty dollar bill. It was a wood working company that was 99% men and she was like the main girl that you would meet as you walked in the front door and even handed out the pay checks. How long do you think it took before every guy knew she was banging her friends? I can tell you it did not take as long as it did for you to just read that story HAHA. and to finish off my top 3 dumb fucking things they have done to pretty much just have porn tattooed on their foreheads. 3. but I just told him the site and I didn't even say it was .com or .net or anything like that. He must have looked for hours to find me...... Or maybe he just put the fucking ".COM" at the end of what you said and Ka bam there you are. Well now I am mad just thinking about those fucking stupid times because all three of them blamed me and bitched me out because I didn't do enough to keep it quiet. Unless they do not show up for their first shoot plan on it cumming out like a fifty guy creampie HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA By the way. I think these girls like the attention and meant to fuck it up. Blaming me is just a pity party or a way to think I have to do something to make up for it. Oh poor baby let me buy you a new car for your troubles. Girl 1... never really got mad but it caused her to tell her boyfriend right before he came home for his 2 week break and that lead to him making her quit. Girl 2... is the biggest attention whore I have ever met. The minute another girl showed up she got hot and had to remove all her clothes and also had to lay in positions that would make it easy enough to see her spine from the front view of her body. Girl 3...well I mean what the hell can I even say from anything she bitched about "FUC" you now go figure out what is missing on the end of that word. I am good friends with one, another still makes videos and one just emails me to keep in touch. I am thinking I will get an email if she ever becomes single again. If that does not tell you which girl I am talking about then you probably agree with the girls that I did not do enough to protect them as well so go FUC yourself too HAHA __________________ Our site is coming soon. It will be one of the best ever! I know so. Brian and Penny

01-09-2009, 04:34 AM	#33
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	So can you post the link to the forum now? Or at least some relevant portions of the thread?

01-09-2009, 05:30 AM	#34
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Kinda funny.... hahahahaha __________________ I'm just a newbie.

01-09-2009, 05:28 PM	#39
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I think the problem with net is people think they are hidden so their dark side really comes out. Like outting models thats so fucked up and serves no point.You know if you met whoever is doing that in person they would probably border on meek. I bet if it wasnt for the net you would have probably 75 percent cp viewers, people trying to pick up 14 yrs old girls, people stealing things they know they have no right too. Its like a shield to bring out their fuckedupness. I went to a service once in a temple and the rabbi said lets face it people really stink by nature. I was floored to hear that but he was right and the net really brings that to the top in my opinion.