Are these girls 18? Are they even models? - GoFuckYourself.com

DearAbby · 11-13-2002, 01:11 PM

Im not sure about the legalities, but is this sort of teen picture usage ETHICAL???

http://www.teeniefiles.com/camgirls/girl13.html
http://www.teeniefiles.com/camgirls/girl9.html
http://www.teeniefiles.com/

Are these naive young girls who's webcam pics have been stolen and are now used for porn ads? Or are they real Models with proof of age?

Rictor · 11-13-2002, 01:12 PM

Don't look like models to me...

Bobby · 11-13-2002, 01:14 PM

Every girl of webpower seem to be too young

sweetcuties · 11-13-2002, 01:15 PM

vegasdude · 11-13-2002, 01:15 PM

look 18!

DearAbby · 11-13-2002, 01:15 PM

And what is the deal with the disclaimer at the bottom of the page?

"So, if you're the owner of an image and/or images that don't belong on this site, please email us so we can take care of the matter. No need to threaten us with legal action, we are kind souls

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"

In other words: Be cautious of posting your picture on the internet, because we might use it in a porn ad untill you catch us and complain.

pr0 · 11-13-2002, 01:16 PM

one of those girls looked like she was in a highschool library

Machete_ · 11-13-2002, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DearAbby
Im not sure about the legalities, but is this sort of teen picture usage ETHICAL???

http://www.teeniefiles.com/camgirls/girl13.html
http://www.teeniefiles.com/camgirls/girl9.html
http://www.teeniefiles.com/

Are these naive young girls who's webcam pics have been stolen and are now used for porn ads? Or are they real Models with proof of age?

they are stolen for another place.. not models... remember a thread last month with about 100+ AMAZING reallife babes/teens... they were all there... but they are NOT models

DearAbby · 11-13-2002, 01:19 PM

"No need to threaten us with legal action, we are kind souls."

In other words:

We realize you were upset when your family, friends, teachers, boyfriend, and neighbor, saw you on a porn ad. But please dont sue us.

Sambuka · 11-13-2002, 01:24 PM

They have more chance of winning lotto than finding out there pics are on the net used by a porn site, and if they ever complain you take the images down.

If they want to sue, you tell them there sueing a company worth $1 with directors who live in India.

Sammy

DearAbby · 11-13-2002, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sambuka
They have more chance of winning lotto than finding out there pics are on the net used by a porn site, and if they ever complain you take the images down.

If they want to sue, you tell them there sueing a company worth $1 with directors who live in India.

Sammy

Were your parents brother and sister or something?

Those girls have more of chance at winning a lotto than discovering those pics? Ive heard people bragging about that site (Teeniefiles) getting 400k hits a day.

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-13-2002, 01:37 PM

http://www.hush-hush.com

The borderline stuff doesn't get prosecuted as CP because.. contrary to popular belief.. when the girls in question are post-pubescent, the burden of proof falls into the prosecutors to demonstrate that they are under 18.

eroswebmaster · 11-13-2002, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Sunshine McGillicutty
[url] when the girls in question are post-pubescent, the burden of proof falls into the prosecutors to demonstrate that they are under 18.

Yeah..yeah..that's the ticket...and I gotta bridge in brooklyn I wanna sell.

Fletch XXX · 11-13-2002, 02:40 PM

Question is, are those girls even from ifriends?

Looks like snagged Yahoo group pics being used.

Those girls I have never seen on ifriends and I have pushed them for over 3 years now.

;)

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-13-2002, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Yeah..yeah..that's the ticket...and I gotta bridge in brooklyn I wanna sell.

Its not my opinion, the DOJ stated it themselves during the flap over CPPA.

I'm not saying its a good idea. They might not be willing to intiate a prosecution themselves over it, but if one of the girls parents ever saw that stuff online and went to a DA, you'd be praying for death before they got through with you.

The odds of that happening might be long, but the stakes are so high it should be prohibitive.

eroswebmaster · 11-13-2002, 02:54 PM

You can tell yourself whatever you want...but if you do not have a model release and proof of age and the girls age is questionable...you are going to be in a world of hurt.

And it is you who has the burden of proof to prove he/she/it is not underage.

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-13-2002, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
You can tell yourself whatever you want...but if you do not have a model release and proof of age and the girls age is questionable...you are going to be in a world of hurt.

And it is you who has the burden of proof to prove he/she/it is not underage.

Are you one of these new age mantra people who believes that if he repeats something enough it magically becomes true?

In the United States you are presumed innocent until proven guilty in criminal matters. If you'd bother to read the applicable statues yourself, you would find that the only time this isn't true when it comes to KP is if pre-pubescent children are involved. That creates a presumption that the child is under 18.

Maybe you are conflating the civil and criminal issues here. For civil purposes, as I said in my first post, you are correct in that you need to have model releases & proof of age.

eroswebmaster · 11-13-2002, 03:07 PM

Once again believe what you will...
I'll listen to my lawyer thank you.

The CaVeMaN · 11-13-2002, 03:08 PM

Ask them :=)

Fletch XXX · 11-13-2002, 03:09 PM

Sunshine.

Trust me.

Ifriends will close an account quick and fast for using pics of girls that are NOT on their CAM PORTAL.

They have to have age proof on their end. The girls must have ID on file with Webpower.

[email protected] handles that

ask her.

beemk · 11-13-2002, 03:11 PM

whoever commented about winning the lotto... i think we have a winner here:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/832518.asp

MikeyBoy · 11-13-2002, 03:14 PM

I saw this a few days ago to and wondered because I had seen most of the pics before.

The pics come from danish dating services like scor.dk, dating.dk it even has its waterwark on some of the pics.

They are clearly stolen and the girls might be 18 but the pics has been stolen.

NameCritic · 11-13-2002, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Once again believe what you will...
I'll listen to my lawyer thank you.

Me too. JD Obenberger was at the AWE in LA. Talkek about that very subject. Burden of proof according to him is on you to prove they are 18 or older.

Besides doesn't matter. The press gets a hold of it and it's over. As far as innocent until proven guilty is concerned, not always. Especially since Herr Bush has been President.

All the DA has to do is tell the press that there were pictures of young girls on your hard drive that "Appear" to be underage. Once said, it's done.

So they can try you on obscenity charges either federal or local, add that comment to the press and get to say it to the jury too, then you are toast.

Don't depend on legal loopholes when dealing with porn and obscenity cases.

nemesis · 11-13-2002, 03:37 PM

so teeniefiles steal pictures, and then he comes to the boards bitching on people stealing his designs, and links ?

Fletch XXX · 11-13-2002, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by nemesis
so teeniefiles steal pictures, and then he comes to the boards bitching on people stealing his designs, and links ?

I swear I was at the site yesterday looking at places to buy listings, now this.

WTF?

Paul Markham · 11-13-2002, 03:41 PM

Some of those girls look very questionable. The problem would only arise if someone who knows one of the girls and she is under age then reports it to the poliice.

As for documentation.
In the US under USC 18 2257 a webmaster is a secondary publisher and has to have the records ready for inspection at his place of business.

NameCritic sounds like he knows what he is talking about. Never leave it to chance when you are in the porn business.

Do you really want your wife/girlfriend/mother contacting the supplier, who then contacts the offshore shooter, to send the girls documents.

All the time you are held in a public jail on a charge of child pornography. Preying your wife gets there in time with the KY jelly.

sweetcuties · 11-13-2002, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

I swear I was at the site yesterday looking at places to buy listings, now this.

WTF?

I tried to buy from Chris (Xaspter) a few mths ago but her never returned my e-mail or icq messages. I'll never deal with them again

Daymare · 11-13-2002, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by sweetcuties

I tried to buy from Chris (Xaspter) a few mths ago but her never returned my e-mail or icq messages. I'll never deal with them again

I wouldn't say that about Chris. From what I know of him he's a smart guy in university who runs a clean ship. He's always been nice to me and I wouldn't say 'never deal with him again' too rashly. Try emailing him again, it's at the bottom of his site.

harvey · 11-13-2002, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by sweetcuties

I tried to buy from Chris (Xaspter) a few mths ago but her never returned my e-mail or icq messages. I'll never deal with them again

OK, I just thought they had something against me

Scootermuze · 11-13-2002, 04:04 PM

and again.. there's the obligatory Tawnee Stone pic on there..

Que? · 11-13-2002, 09:25 PM

Why buy when you can steal it for free

Dragon Curve · 11-13-2002, 09:39 PM

They all look 18+ to me.

Dragon Curve · 11-13-2002, 09:40 PM

Err and not that it'd be very hard to get content of young girls on webcams. Try any popular webcam chatroom, I'm sure you'll find some girls all too willing to take it off.

Exxxotica · 11-13-2002, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by Dragon Curve
Err and not that it'd be very hard to get content of young girls on webcams. Try any popular webcam chatroom, I'm sure you'll find some girls all too willing to take it off.

Make note to self... surf more webcam chatrooms

Rictor · 11-13-2002, 09:51 PM

Yah...point these webcam chatrooms out to me...sounds like a fun evening...

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-13-2002, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Sunshine.

Trust me.

Ifriends will close an account quick and fast for using pics of girls that are NOT on their CAM PORTAL.

They have to have age proof on their end. The girls must have ID on file with Webpower.

I know Ifriends wouldn't let that pass, but most of the cam stuff I'm talking about isn't coming from there. Like the Hush Hush site. Its teen girls stripping for their boyfriends or with their friends or whatever, and it getting "released" on the internet.

Kazaa is full of it. You can't download any "teen" movie on there without sooner or later.. probably sooner.. running into a misnamed webcam vid of some 15 year old chick trying to impress her boyfriend.

Its harmless fun imo.. and I wasn't trying to make this into a contentious debate. Just pointing out why this stuff and the sites who profit from it don't get squashed like a site with younger girls would.

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-13-2002, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by Sunshine McGillicutty
Kazaa is full of it. You can't download any "teen" movie on there without sooner or later.. probably sooner.. running into a misnamed webcam vid of some 15 year old chick trying to impress her boyfriend.

lol, for some reason the Kazaa Lite download site is verrrrrrry slow tonight..

Perverts!

11-13-2002, 01:11 PM	#1
DearAbby Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NoCal Posts: 979	Are these girls 18? Are they even models? Im not sure about the legalities, but is this sort of teen picture usage ETHICAL??? http://www.teeniefiles.com/camgirls/girl13.html http://www.teeniefiles.com/camgirls/girl9.html http://www.teeniefiles.com/ Are these naive young girls who's webcam pics have been stolen and are now used for porn ads? Or are they real Models with proof of age?

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Sunshine McGillicutty So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: California Posts: 475	http://www.hush-hush.com The borderline stuff doesn't get prosecuted as CP because.. contrary to popular belief.. when the girls in question are post-pubescent, the burden of proof falls into the prosecutors to demonstrate that they are under 18. Last edited by Sunshine McGillicutty; 11-13-2002 at 01:41 PM..

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Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Don't look like models to me...

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DearAbby Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NoCal Posts: 979	"No need to threaten us with legal action, we are kind souls." In other words: We realize you were upset when your family, friends, teachers, boyfriend, and neighbor, saw you on a porn ad. But please dont sue us.

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Sambuka Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: - Posts: 500	They have more chance of winning lotto than finding out there pics are on the net used by a porn site, and if they ever complain you take the images down. If they want to sue, you tell them there sueing a company worth $1 with directors who live in India. Sammy

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Question is, are those girls even from ifriends? Looks like snagged Yahoo group pics being used. Those girls I have never seen on ifriends and I have pushed them for over 3 years now. ;) __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Sunshine. Trust me. Ifriends will close an account quick and fast for using pics of girls that are NOT on their CAM PORTAL. They have to have age proof on their end. The girls must have ID on file with Webpower. [email protected] handles that ask her. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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MikeyBoy Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 537	I saw this a few days ago to and wondered because I had seen most of the pics before. The pics come from danish dating services like scor.dk, dating.dk it even has its waterwark on some of the pics. They are clearly stolen and the girls might be 18 but the pics has been stolen.

11-13-2002, 03:37 PM	#24
nemesis Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: home Posts: 1,335	so teeniefiles steal pictures, and then he comes to the boards bitching on people stealing his designs, and links ?

11-13-2002, 03:41 PM	#26
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Some of those girls look very questionable. The problem would only arise if someone who knows one of the girls and she is under age then reports it to the poliice. As for documentation. In the US under USC 18 2257 a webmaster is a secondary publisher and has to have the records ready for inspection at his place of business. NameCritic sounds like he knows what he is talking about. Never leave it to chance when you are in the porn business. Do you really want your wife/girlfriend/mother contacting the supplier, who then contacts the offshore shooter, to send the girls documents. All the time you are held in a public jail on a charge of child pornography. Preying your wife gets there in time with the KY jelly. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	and again.. there's the obligatory Tawnee Stone pic on there..

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Dragon Curve Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 252	They all look 18+ to me.

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Dragon Curve Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 252	Err and not that it'd be very hard to get content of young girls on webcams. Try any popular webcam chatroom, I'm sure you'll find some girls all too willing to take it off.

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Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Yah...point these webcam chatrooms out to me...sounds like a fun evening...