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Old 12-31-2008, 12:11 AM   #1
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Did you know that the US supports Israel more than some of it's own states.
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Do you realize that if the US didn't force Israel to accept a cease fire in the 1967 6 Day War that Israel would be one of the most oil rich nations in the Middle East? Do you realize the US promised to financially support Israel for accepting the cease fire, which was brokered by the then USSR and the US pressured Israel to accept, even though it was a defensive war on Israel's part? You see how that works?
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You can't criticize Israel for anything, otherwise you are labeled as antisemitic.
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cash i didnt see you post on gfy for a while...i liked it.
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cash i didnt see you post on gfy for a while...i liked it.
and that's why i <3 oracle
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Do you realize that if the US didn't force Israel to accept a cease fire in the 1967 6 Day War that Israel would be one of the most oil rich nations in the Middle East? Do you realize the US promised to financially support Israel for accepting the cease fire, which was brokered by the then USSR and the US pressured Israel to accept, even though it was a defensive war on Israel's part? You see how that works?
I don't think YOU see how that works. If US didn't keep their dog in check it would bite the neighbor's kid's hand and get shot. Do YOU see how that works? It would be pushed into the sea just like any other crusader state before it..
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Well, at least there's finally a post here about Israel, you'd think after 5 days of bombing it woulda been sooner tho.
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I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you, a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries, a world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.
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Well, at least there's finally a post here about Israel, you'd think after 5 days of bombing it woulda been sooner tho.
5 days? what are you talking about israel has been bombed for months day in day out i guess u didnt get the memo
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5 days? what are you talking about israel has been bombed for months day in day out i guess u didnt get the memo
I'm talking about what's going on in Gaza..
And if that's been going on for months, no I didn't get the memo.. our media here probably isn't letting us in on that.

You are in israel if I remember correctly?
So a few posts on the "truth" of what's going on there would be great...
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I'm talking about what's going on in Gaza..
And if that's been going on for months, no I didn't get the memo.. our media here probably isn't letting us in on that.

You are in israel if I remember correctly?
So a few posts on the "truth" of what's going on there would be great...
I think Oracle is pretty keen only on the Israeli version of the *truth*..
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They're pretty capable of taking care of themselves....


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I'm talking about what's going on in Gaza..
And if that's been going on for months, no I didn't get the memo.. our media here probably isn't letting us in on that.

You are in israel if I remember correctly?
So a few posts on the "truth" of what's going on there would be great...
its complicated

gaza is ruled by terrorist

israel been under missile fire from gaza for months

israel got tired of it

shit is hitting the fan for gaza

poor civilians from gaza are used as shields for terrorists.... its inevitable for civilians to get hurt when their is a bomb lab right next to a house with family and 5 kids....
just like many iraqi civilians got hurt during US bombing.....was isn't good for anyone but every country favors its people over the other's country....
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its complicated

gaza is ruled by terrorist

israel been under missile fire from gaza for months

israel got tired of it

shit is hitting the fan for gaza

poor civilians from gaza are used as shields for terrorists.... its inevitable for civilians to get hurt when their is a bomb lab right next to a house with family and 5 kids....
just like many iraqi civilians got hurt during US bombing.....was isn't good for anyone but every country favors its people over the other's country....
In other words what you're saying is Gaza is now Axis of Evil or Exes of Evil and the good guys are beating the bad guys, cops vs. robbers, cowboys killing the indians (oh wait, that's not PC anymore). And no Mr. Nationalist, hate crime is universal, crimes against humanity know no national boundaries. You don't have to tow the party line just because you are on one side of the border or the other. Wake up and look around you. At the very best, be considerate of your neighbor would be a good start. Wiping out their livelihood and crowding them in ghettos then bomb them to dust claiming they were to close to a bomb factory is just an insult. Shame on you!
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Did you know that the US supports Israel more than some of it's own states.
Did you know that America get lot of money from Jew, more than anyone else
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In other words what you're saying is Gaza is now Axis of Evil or Exes of Evil and the good guys are beating the bad guys, cops vs. robbers, cowboys killing the indians (oh wait, that's not PC anymore). And no Mr. Nationalist, hate crime is universal, crimes against humanity know no national boundaries. You don't have to tow the party line just because you are on one side of the border or the other. Wake up and look around you. At the very best, be considerate of your neighbor would be a good start. Wiping out their livelihood and crowding them in ghettos then bomb them to dust claiming they were to close to a bomb factory is just an insult. Shame on you!
please try to make sense
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I have some Israeli friends and heard from them both versions of the conflict - Israeli and Palestinian. And the only conclusion I came to is the more we're getting deeper into politics the more we're moving away from truth (hope I worded it correctly lol).

Palestina: the poorest region of Israel with no infrastructure on its territory, no production. The territory was bought together with the Israeli territory by the people who revived Israel as a state. Religion - Islam

Israel: powerful state that provides Palestina with everything including water. Religion - Judaism.

Historically Jerusalem is the place with all major sacred places of Islam, Judaism and Christianity. The city has always been the heart of war. And the nature of Israeli-Palestinian conflict is religion. Palestina wants autonomy and Jerusalem. Of course Israel doesn't want to seperate a part of its teritory that legally belongs to Israel, plus no way they would give Jerusalem to Palestinians.

I'm seeing another story of Serbia and Kosovo here.

Speaking about US supporting Israel, there are many reasons for that, but the major ones are:
1. They have a reliable ally in the Middle East which is a very important region
2. Money. US is the major supplier of weapons in Israel.
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It wasn't meant for you. You're obviously too wrapped up in your version of the *truth* to ever see anything else. Ignorance is bliss..
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politics and religion are NONO... bar rules are in effect. seriously though... BLAH
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Let's just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening. Let's talk about Christmas decorations! You go first

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Let's just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening. Let's talk about Christmas decorations! You go first
Hey look, I found some Christmas decorations from Tel Aviv

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Look! Another terrorist goes down..

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Thankfully some people embrace the only thing that's left..







We see so many movies and hear so much about the Nazi treatment of the Jews some 60 years ago, and here it is today and nobody says shit. This is so sad..
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Thankfully some people embrace the only thing that's left..
We see so many movies and hear so much about the Nazi treatment of the Jews some 60 years ago, and here it is today and nobody says shit. This is so sad..
I have a feeling it's really being downplayed by the media .. what is estimated death toll?

on the news I heard 300 .. seems really low when you look at those images above.
any idea on real death toll?
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I have a feeling it's really being downplayed by the media .. what is estimated death toll?

on the news I heard 300 .. seems really low when you look at those images above.
any idea on real death toll?
Does it matter really? One is too many. Arab or Israeli, they are victims of the same conspiracy, if only they had a moment between explosions to think about the reality of the situation. It's easy to feel you are the righteous one and your god is the best, let's kill everyone else while your leaders urge you to victory, revenge what have you. If people would only wake up and see the truth of it..
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Let's just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening. Let's talk about Christmas decorations! You go first

No point in talking about it unless you plan on doing something about it. Are you heading over there any time soon Che? Hasta la victoria siempre!

Nobody is sticking their heads in the sand. People just get sick of the jargon. Im just not into assholes. You know what they say about opinions?
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No point in talking about it unless you plan on doing something about it. Are you heading over there any time soon Che? Hasta la victoria siempre!

Nobody is sticking their heads in the sand. People just get sick of the jargon. Im just not into assholes. You know what they say about opinions?
I AM doing something about it. Right here on this board..

Or does it not work for you as action unless I load a gun and shoot one side or the other? There are alternatives to every situation.

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Nobody can argue that those Banksy pictures/ stencils are tight!
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Nobody can argue that those Banksy pictures/ stencils are tight!
Unfortunately the people with true vision usually are labeled crazy or get shot when they prove they are not. I raise my glass to them! Happy Christmas
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Does it matter really? One is too many. Arab or Israeli, they are victims of the same conspiracy, if only they had a moment between explosions to think about the reality of the situation. It's easy to feel you are the righteous one and your god is the best, let's kill everyone else while your leaders urge you to victory, revenge what have you. If people would only wake up and see the truth of it..
It matters only cause I'm trying to find out just how bad the media is distorting the picture..
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Unfortunately the people with true vision usually are labeled crazy or get shot when they prove they are not. I raise my glass to them! Happy Christmas
Yes, Kudos to Banksy and his true follower: the hungarian graffiti priest

Sorry don't want to hijack the thread but its a bit more happier and I couldn't resist.
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Israel's four-day bombing campaign in Gaza is the latest in a series of military operations dating back to 2006, when Hamas won the Palestinian elections.

All have had the publicly stated aim of stopping rocket fire into southern Israeli towns. They have claimed hundreds of Palestinian lives.

At the same time, Israel has imposed tighter and tighter economic restrictions, which now amount to a blockade of the Gaza Strip under which only limited humanitarian supplies are allowed in.

Yet these measures have so far failed to halt militant rockets.

As soon as the Hamas-dominated parliament was sworn in, Israel froze contacts with what it called the "terrorist" Palestinian Authority and blocked the transfer of tax and customs receipts, worth about $50m a month.

Israel said Hamas should renounce violence, recognise Israel's right to exist and accept previous peace agreements. It began regular closures of the Karni crossing, the main commercial goods terminal between Israel and Gaza.

Soon the EU ? the largest single donor to the Palestinians ? and later the rest of the international community suspended all direct aid to the Palestinian Authority.

Over several weeks, the Israeli military fired artillery rounds into Gaza and bombed buildings, killing several Palestinians. Israel said it was trying to stop militant rockets attacks. In late June 2006, after an Israeli soldier was captured by Palestinian militants and taken into Gaza, the military launched a major operation, sending in troops and bombing bridges, buildings, roads and Gaza's sole power plant.

After two months of bombing and ground raids, the Israeli operation ? codenamed Summer Rain ? had killed at least 240 Palestinians. At least half were civilians, including 48 children.

In November 2006 Israel mounted a six-day ground invasion of the town of Beit Hanoun, in an area of northern Gaza frequently used by militants launching rockets. The raid, codenamed Autumn Clouds, killed at least 50 Palestinians and one Israeli soldier.

The day after the Israeli military withdrew, another 18 Palestinians, all from the same family in Beit Hanoun, were killed when their house was hit by a volley of Israeli artillery shells.

Late the same month, a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas in Gaza was finally established, running for nearly six months until Hamas started firing rockets again. Israel restarted its air strikes on Gaza and threatened to kill Hamas leaders.

After Hamas seized full control of Gaza in late June 2007, following a near civil war with its rival Fatah, Israel stepped up its air raids. On a single day in June, 12 Palestinians were killed in what an Israeli minister called "preventive measures" against rocket attacks from Gaza.

At the same time, Israel tightened its economic blockade, reducing the flow of goods into Gaza to a bare minimum, stopping all exports and placing severe limits on those Palestinians it allowed to leave Gaza through Israel. By September it had declared Gaza a "hostile territory" as militant rocket attacks and Israeli military raids continued.

A new round of US-sponsored peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians began at a summit in Annapolis, in the US, in November 2007 ? but the conflict in Gaza continued. Militants fired rockets into southern Israel and the Israeli military staged small-scale incursions and air strikes, killing dozens of Palestinians, both civilians and militants.

The Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said his military was fighting a "true war" against militant groups in Gaza and ruled out the possibility of another ceasefire.

In January this year, Israel launched an incursion into al-Zaitoun, east of Gaza City ? in a single day killing at least 18 Palestinians, including the son of Gaza's most powerful Hamas leader.

On the same day, a volunteer farmer from Ecuador was killed by a Palestinian sniper while working at a communal farm across the boundary in Israel. It was the heaviest day of fighting in Gaza for more than a year.

Israel then tightened its restrictions on deliveries into Gaza, including fuel, forcing the power plant to shut down for several days. In late January, crowds of thousands of desperate Palestinians forced their way over the border wall out of Gaza and into Egypt.

Israeli air strikes continued after Hamas claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing in which an Israeli woman and 11 others were injured in the Israeli city of Dimona. It marked the first return to suicide bombings in Israel by Hamas for more than three years.

In late February the Israeli military mounted another major operation in Gaza, this time sending troops into the eastern town of Jabaliya. In the space of five days around 120 Palestinians were killed, at least half of them civilians. Three Israelis died.

But the raid failed to halt the rocket fire, and in the weeks afterwards there were other clashes in Gaza and near the border, killing six Israelis, four of them soldiers, and dozens of Palestinians, among them a Reuters television cameraman and, in a separate incident, a mother and her four children.

Eventually, after much mediation by Egypt, a ceasefire between Israel and militants in Gaza was again established in June. It ran until November, when it began to break down with violations on both sides, and collapsed in mid-December to bring the latest Israeli bombing campaign of Gaza, codenamed Cast Lead, which has so far killed at least 360 Palestinians.

In the past eight years, the militant rockets and mortars fired from Gaza that have become such a powerful issue for the Israeli government have killed 20 people inside Israel. Three of those were killed on Monday, including a soldier, and one died on Saturday when the bombing first started.
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It matters only cause I'm trying to find out just how bad the media is distorting the picture..
It's hugely distorted from any perspective. If I attempted to post *facts* I would just contribute to the prism. Politics is a whore and history its bastard child, but information is out there, Google is your friend. Despite numerous library burnings and miscellaneous historical cover ups we just can't kill legends and every myth has true origin if only a as fragment of the collective consciousness.

But yes most every modern army (and probably beyond) has at its core strategy a psychological component, usually tied in with the respective state department and political agenda; a denial and disinformation propaganda system that proved to work well throughout history and in modern times. You too, will be assimilated
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Old 12-31-2008, 06:22 AM   #40
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Yes, Kudos to Banksy and his true follower: the hungarian graffiti priest

Sorry don't want to hijack the thread but its a bit more happier and I couldn't resist.
No way man, Lennon is a personal hero, I am still listening to the vids you posted. Köszönöm szépen!
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Old 12-31-2008, 06:32 AM   #41
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the entire middle east is fucked up
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Old 12-31-2008, 07:47 AM   #42
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Wednesday 31 December 2008 13.59 GM
Israel ordered to let international media into Gaza

.. by Israel's supreme court .
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Old 12-31-2008, 09:06 AM   #43
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Just curious... Does anyone here have a solution for dealing with rocket attacks that kill your own people that originate from civilian dense areas?
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where is the money?
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Can you imagine how amazing the world would be without jews and arabs/muslims? imagine it. really imagine it. how amazing would it be?
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Can you imagine how amazing the world would be without jews and arabs/muslims? imagine it. really imagine it. how amazing would it be?
"Imagine there's no religion"


"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one"
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Old 12-31-2008, 10:48 AM   #47
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Jews have nukes now so if you don't like us then go fuck yourselves and hope we don't nuke your ass.

Oh, the palestinians voted for those shit stained hamas fucks, so they deserve every fucking dead palestinian they get.

Now I am going to go back to my Jewish money and cheer for every dead fucking palestinian they show me on Fox News!!!
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Old 12-31-2008, 10:52 AM   #48
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Can you imagine how amazing the world would be without jews and arabs/muslims? imagine it. really imagine it. how amazing would it be?
Christians would fight among them like in the Middle Ages, don't worry ...
Or, if no religion, they'd fight for energy, water, territories, etc.
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Jews are on their own land and they are defending it. The land had been Israeli long before Islam originated. I bet Arabic tribes killed many more people when they were conquering the land.

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