Look, the behavior you're trying to describe is deffensive drive behavior.

The vast majority of dog attacks happen from dogs in Pray or Aggressive drives and not in defense of protective modes. It's a pretty big subtly to totally miss in a large post like yours.

Your analysis of the two states a dog can be in also missing a very imporant subtly. That is, almost all dogs are born submissive. In nature, you need only one pack leader. Dogs that you have labeled as "in charge" are in fact most often dogs that are submissive by nature, but lacking propery guidance from a pack leader (you) they are trying to fill in that role. They do it by instict to protect the pack. Dogs in this state are unstable because they are trying to fill a role they don't have the genetics to fill.

Since you miss these sorts of important points, I'm just going to go with my initial assumption that you don't know what you're talking about.

well said :2 cents:

I dont know where you copy/pasted that text from, but it have to be some selfmade dogguru I belive.

NO dog or animal is born submissive. I really dont want to waste my time on you. I'm not going to spend a saturday night trying to argue in a language I'm nto to good at with a idiot like you, who want nothing but a dickslapping contest. GFY is full of people who will play along with your - I wont

Go talk to a local dogbreeder and ask him how much "Fight or Flight" is a part of both the genetic and trained dogs behavior

No man, Im not invalid - and you dont know me. I'm guessing you own a pit, and that validates my point when i say "screws loose". I didnt use to raise pit bulls, Im not a dog breeder. My pit was hit by a car about 1.5 years ago. Again, if anything all I have done is express that Pits arnt a bad breed by default - i blame the owners. Most (not all) PIT owners are shit! If your a bully, so is your doggie ... thank about it.

and you still have a screw loose, go figure.

save your homosexual fantasies for someone who will appreciate them. I'm married and hetero.

I didn't cut and paste that from anywhere. That's from my more than 20 years experience with dogs and rescuing dogs. I have 3 rescued Rottweilers currently.

Further, when I want actual information about animals, I don't go to dog breeders, I go to my sister who happens to be a DVM.

You should consider reading some of Cesar Milan's books. Did you know he has a pack of more than 20 dogs, many of them Pittbulls and every single one of them is calm submissive? Check it out, you could actually learn something.

Humans kill more people a year than any animal. Does that make all humans shit according to your own logic?

If they would quit putting Pit bulls and gangsters in the same set on MTV then you wouldn't even be considering making this post.

Congratulations, you are a victim of African American propaganda:pimp

well, I must admit I dident think we would share anything, but we have the same dog.

I dont think anyone with a TV and even mild interest in dogs Dont know who Cesar Milan is, where he lives or how many dogs he have. If you read Cesar Milan's books you would also know that they were not born submissive.

I dont even know why you disagree.. well I know why.. its because its me
But I'm saying the same as you re. "submissive" or "in charge"

.. its 04:30 am here.. feel free to have the last words, I'm gonne prioritise sleeping above this

- Actually i agreed with you. Most PIT owners are shit, no retraction. Didn't say most humans are shit. When i say that most PIT owners are shit - I'am referring to the MTV, gangster wanna-be propaganda you speak of. Most people who want to raise a Pit do it just for that reason ... they arnt doing it to have a good friend in their pet, they do it cas - some fuckin rapper trys to make it look like the gangster thing to do. Those people, those exact wanna-be's are SHIT! I keep saying most, as not all Pit owners are like this, there are sensible, responsible people who own Pits. The sensible people usually tend to take proper care of them, and not feed them gun powder or spray stuffed animals with blood and teach them to kill.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh you ok man? i havent seen you go off like this before it's kinda scaring me...it's fn hilarious tho :winkwink:

@skrink there are no sides with logic/reasoning and he got you there...mabye overplaying it a lil but he's right, reread what you wrote in both the posts he referred to...

imo you may not own one now but you did...and your opinion is more than likely skewed by your affection for the breed as with almost all pit owners that reply...not saying you are wrong but people are leaving out some of the picture and only blaming humans...

@ everyone mostly the pit owners...granted the largest % of the blame goes to the humans but don't forget to include every aspect when painting your pictures:2 cents:


and for the record i breed dogs


the end

Point #1 regarding my screws - agreed. You have the same issue
Point #2 regarding my homosexuality. Look back at your own posts, your the homophobe - and you know what they say about those guys. Don't hide behind your wife, be the bear - so what you like to suck dick - it don't matter to me. You can't suck mine.

Considering we are on the same side of the debate - maybe your just in a shitty mood - but really is there something impressive about starting shit on a forum. Is this 7th grade?

Hey BusterBunny ...

- well stated. You made a few valid points - and used a delivery method that wasn't childish. I dont know Smokey - i think he is just in a funky mood.

ty just trying to simplify it as much as possible during this whole thread...people are loyal to their animals as they should be and i respect that...hell i quoted myself saying one of my chihuahuas bit me in the face and he is a great dog...but they are animals and have instincts that cannot always be controlled regardless of training...it's generally not their fault, it is ours for keeping them as pets and expecting them to forget things that are programmed into their genes (the good ones that go bad)...then there are the ones that are outright abused/mistreated/trained to be bad...some may never act out but the instincts are still there regardless, and the possibility always exists:thumbsup

fyi childish is my forte it has been hard as hell to hold back :upsidedow

Don't get Smokey going. He'll double talk you to death. He says a whole lot of nothing every time he posts. Stop responding because you can't beat an idiot.

it's christmas so i was trying to bring some holiday cheer :thumbsup

he said fight or flight is based on the dog not the breed, go figure.

so then you should also realise if you have screws loose your opinion might be faulty.


so you do admit then you are a homosexual and thus my theory is confirmed.

you have it all wrong , i have nothing wrong with shit shovers or poo pushers, i was merely pointing out a statistic often overlooked


i missed the last homophobe convention , what do they say ?

i have a little voice recorder i play that back when i am having sex with her " be the bear"

what if i put on a mask that makes me look like your uncle and i give you a lollipop, cmon we all know that has worked with you before


wtf i thought this was the line for denny's , damn you thor.


its just a prank , i dont know you or amanda , i dont want to fuck that fat pregnant bitch , just hang up the phone.

Your last post Smokey was classic - bronco67 was right. So Smokey, til next time. Thanks for a fun evening.

i resent that , i have always never not thought about double talk.
so all these words are useless ? damn u thor.

false. You just need a bigger stick than normal.

Go stab yourself.

People like you are god damn retards.

I am not going to waste anymore time on this thread.

Chihuahua pack attacks police officer

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10652469/

Chihuahua attacks rottweiler and st...

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ch...ard/2152017928

I own one of these little shits and there aggressive as hell

Only reason why you hear more about pitballs is because of there lock jaws and so many people misstread them.

Most pitbulls are so friendly and sweet, but the few who are mistreated do so much damange, dumb pos like you misjudge them.

the reason you hear more about them is because they are big and powerfull...when they attack they kill or severely maim...ie my assault weapon post which is not something chihuahuas tend to do...

ps im on my fifth sierra nevada now so my debate skills are not what they were a few hours ago ;)

Own pit bulls or kill yourself.

pitbulls are good dogs. it's all the fucking morons not competent enough to train them that is the problem.

im gonna shoot my brainless but off now without reading all the posts since i had reading...

yes all dogs can be harmless. yes its the owners fault when a dog gets loose. the only problem with pit bulls is that they are known for just "snapping", and when they do its not pretty. they are number 1 on the attack list. i have two cute huskies, ironically i think they are number 3 on the bite list. if you wanna see a scary dog but one that is a complete puss at times, get a husky. one of my workers in the construction industry has a pit. he loves the thing to death and said my dog could never do that, until one day he noticed that anything that runs from the dog, the dog then tries to catch it and then once he catches it, plays a little to hard with it and tries to kill it. he said the dog got loose one day and started running for a little kid, his heart about stopped praying to god that kid didnt run from the dog, for fear the dog would eat the kid alive. luckily the kid didnt run. bottom line with pit bulls. just be carefull around them and watch them as they get older and grouchier, thats when they can be more aggressive.

they are some of the most easy dogs to train and very smart. All of the pitts i ever had, wouldnt hurt anything, if you didnt want them to. If you raise the dog to be mean then its gonna be mean. :2 cents:

Pitbulls behave well, but still they have the killer instincts. I wouldn't let a child near one.

thats an urban myth, they arent capable of snapping anymore than any other dog.
on what attack list ?

It's a common misconception that pitbulls lock their jaws. They have no physiological ability to lock their jaws, they only have a very strong will not to let go once they get ahold of their target.

As for the breed itself it was indeed bred to fight. However, there is no reason you can't own a pitbull or any other fighting breed and not have them under control. A strong minded dog is a very powerful tool in the right hands during the right circumstances.

The only reason you hear about pitbulls in the news and not smaller dogs is because pitbulls tend to do more damage when people fail in controlling them. Don't blame the breed, blame the people controlling the breed.

I have 3 pits and they are all great dogs.. I have a 7 year old as well that is around the dogs daily.. You just have to raise them right and they are a very great dog ..

maybe that's true, but my Lab has been around a few pitbulls, and the only time he's ever been snapped at or attacked(twice) is by a mini Dacshund and by a Golden Retriever. One common denominator in both incidents was that the owners were actually kind of dicks, and not apologetic at all, almost blaming my sweet dog for inciting the attack. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

I've learned to watch the person with the dog -- If they seem like someone you'd want to avoid, then the dog should probably be avoided also. I've found that I'm right most of the time when I follow this principle.

From the looks of it, you never *did* participate yet???

Many times, in many threads, on many boards. It comes up every once and awhile and it's just a stupid argument made by ignorant people.

They included traffic citations in that. I personally don't know anyone that's never received a single traffic citation.



Cesar Milan is the man :thumbsup

Why is a pitbull more manly then a chihuahua? Its more manly to dare have a chihuaha then having a pitbull to try and give the image of manliness.

dunno , i dont make the rules

I got one of his books for christmas and thanks to his TV-show me and my woman have been able to rehabilitate a golden retriever relatively fast. He don't retrieve shít but he's a good protection dog and that works just fine with me.

I'm afraid of them!

I have a Boxer/Pitt mix (Zango the dog someone tossed out of a car 1 year ago), she sooooo sweet. I got lucky cuz she's real submissive thank god. I did get Zango a trainer who i'm very happy with.


I'm not going to tell you she'll never bite some one but as an owner I think I have done a good job with her. She's good with everyone who comes over and great with the kids.

Personally I am against pitbulls, but not as much because of the dogs themselves, but because of the way their owners train them. I 100% support the Miami-Dade County law that forbids people from having them. Too many children have died because of Pitbulls.

If it were a medication, they would've outlawed it; so it's fair that they do the same with the dogs.