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Nineteen85 · 12-15-2008, 10:02 AM

From a customers point of view?

99% of designers i know prefer CSS, but what about the client?

Would it make the slightest difference to them if their site was coded in CSS or in HTML with tables, etc.

MetaMan · 12-15-2008, 10:03 AM

i find it the other way around 99% of clients want CSS 1% of designers can do it properly.

i dont see why surfers would care about the different kind of code, they just want content at high speed of a site. and imo CSS is more compressed code thus it loads your content faster.

mona · 12-15-2008, 10:05 AM

CSS is beneficial with regards to SEO, so the client may care about that. However, from a design perspective, I wouldn't think so...CSS = Less work and mess ups for the designers (dos centavos).

StuartD · 12-15-2008, 10:09 AM

Uhmm.... CSS is an extension of HTML, not a replacement.
If you are trying to replace one with the other, you don't know it as well as you think you do.

alexchechs · 12-15-2008, 10:10 AM

CSS is great for both people. But I agree... not many people know how to code it very clean......

hornycult · 12-15-2008, 10:11 AM

I'm for 50/50 , actually its depends on what type of site you are working on

Vixenator · 12-15-2008, 10:15 AM

There is no "CSS or HTML", there is HTML with or without CSS since CSS isn't a replacement, it's merely an supplement to HTML.

Maybe it would help your understanding of these things if you started by researching what these letter combination actually stand for?

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-15-2008, 10:18 AM

CSS is HTML....

HorseShit · 12-15-2008, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD

Uhmm.... CSS is an extension of HTML, not a replacement.
If you are trying to replace one with the other, you don't know it as well as you think you do.

ungratefulninja · 12-15-2008, 10:19 AM

I can only hope they meant tables vs CSS.

tranza · 12-15-2008, 11:11 AM

Flash. :D

skrinkladoo · 12-15-2008, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan

i find it the other way around 99% of clients want CSS 1% of designers can do it properly.

i dont see why surfers would care about the different kind of code, they just want content at high speed of a site. and imo CSS is more compressed code thus it loads your content faster.

- exactly! I find a healthy mix of the 2 can be solid. Fact is most designers can't really do either. Sad but true.

mrwilson · 12-15-2008, 11:22 AM

tabless xhtml/css is all i work with.
I refuse to do tables.

mona · 12-15-2008, 11:29 AM

Also, there is no "one" way to use CSS with HTML...You can also use the CSS codes in the html page header, a .css file and link to it in the HTML page header (i know, basic explanation), you can use CSS and tables...It's like everyone's saying, it's not really an either or...

skrinkladoo · 12-15-2008, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixenator

There is no "CSS or HTML", there is HTML with or without CSS since CSS isn't a replacement, it's merely an supplement to HTML.

Maybe it would help your understanding of these things if you started by researching what these letter combination actually stand for?

- Historically semi correct. However fast forward to 2008/2009 (today) - its seen by masses to be seperate. Truth: Whatever makes the resume look best ...

CSS - Think Styles
HTML - Think Layout

CSS advanced HTML, and in XHML (the reason i say "semi") the point is more valid.

Regardless of what makes or doesnt make the resume look different, and against the grain of this post - they are different, they are not the same. HTML is not CSS or vice versa - Styles versus Layout.

But no need to argue because they are both low-end ... front-end, dont they teach this stuff in elementary?

skrinkladoo · 12-15-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

CSS is HTML....

I love the sig, but this quote isnt nearly as intelligent as the brain power it took to put this killer sig up.

scouser · 12-15-2008, 01:02 PM

by html i take it you mean a layout coded with things like tables, inline styles, <font family... etc type coding. and if so -- using external css files, and no stylying in the html has MANY advantages. (9 times out of 10 - displays better on devices like mobiles etc, smaller file sizes (less b/w, faster load times), slightly better for seo, a lot easier to maintain)

i know some people spend a few hundred extra bucks to get a faster server, but still have like 200-300kb of wasted space in their html of each page. a lot of designers just slice things up in photoshop, so when a 1px wide( or high ) background image could be tiled, they end up using a 300px wide (or high) image. Then another identical (but different file) for the same bit a bit below it etc etc.....

scouser · 12-15-2008, 01:03 PM

Also, try doing a site JUST with css. lol.

(as others pointed out, its not a case of exclusively css or html. they compliment each other. although of course css isn't required.

Deej · 12-15-2008, 01:03 PM

Css ftw imo rofl

Basic_man · 12-15-2008, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixenator

There is no "CSS or HTML", there is HTML with or without CSS since CSS isn't a replacement, it's merely an supplement to HTML.

Maybe it would help your understanding of these things if you started by researching what these letter combination actually stand for?

Got it !

sysk · 12-15-2008, 01:07 PM

CSS = graceful degradation, better accessibility, better SEO, better maintainability, better portability, better semantics, better W3C standards compliance

Do you need more ?

Ninja_Pete · 12-15-2008, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD

Uhmm.... CSS is an extension of HTML, not a replacement.
If you are trying to replace one with the other, you don't know it as well as you think you do.

LOL. I was thinking the same thing.

thinkhype · 12-15-2008, 04:35 PM

what he said.

Better off to go fully CSS than with Tables.

dailyduke · 12-15-2008, 04:49 PM

tableless is the way to go.
How did you not know CSS was a way of styling the code?

calmlikeabomb · 12-15-2008, 04:59 PM

lol @ html is css.

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MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	i find it the other way around 99% of clients want CSS 1% of designers can do it properly. i dont see why surfers would care about the different kind of code, they just want content at high speed of a site. and imo CSS is more compressed code thus it loads your content faster.

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mona Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mona = "female monkey" in Spanish Posts: 1,940	CSS is beneficial with regards to SEO, so the client may care about that. However, from a design perspective, I wouldn't think so...CSS = Less work and mess ups for the designers (dos centavos).

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hornycult Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 18	I'm for 50/50 , actually its depends on what type of site you are working on

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12-15-2008, 10:19 AM	#10
ungratefulninja Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 682	I can only hope they meant tables vs CSS.

12-15-2008, 11:22 AM	#13
mrwilson mrwilson 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: ICQ: 465406783 Posts: 5,122	tabless xhtml/css is all i work with. I refuse to do tables.

12-15-2008, 11:29 AM	#14
mona Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mona = "female monkey" in Spanish Posts: 1,940	Also, there is no "one" way to use CSS with HTML...You can also use the CSS codes in the html page header, a .css file and link to it in the HTML page header (i know, basic explanation), you can use CSS and tables...It's like everyone's saying, it's not really an either or...

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scouser marketer. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: bcn Posts: 2,280	by html i take it you mean a layout coded with things like tables, inline styles, <font family... etc type coding. and if so -- using external css files, and no stylying in the html has MANY advantages. (9 times out of 10 - displays better on devices like mobiles etc, smaller file sizes (less b/w, faster load times), slightly better for seo, a lot easier to maintain) i know some people spend a few hundred extra bucks to get a faster server, but still have like 200-300kb of wasted space in their html of each page. a lot of designers just slice things up in photoshop, so when a 1px wide( or high ) background image could be tiled, they end up using a 300px wide (or high) image. Then another identical (but different file) for the same bit a bit below it etc etc.....

12-15-2008, 01:03 PM	#18
scouser marketer. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: bcn Posts: 2,280	Also, try doing a site JUST with css. lol. (as others pointed out, its not a case of exclusively css or html. they compliment each other. although of course css isn't required.

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