You're just mad because you're old now and want things to be the way they were when you were young.

The fact is there has always been crap and there's always been good shit. There aren't really any certain periods that were 'good for music' or not, your perception has just changed.

Yeah I'm really ancient, you're right. Hell I even like the music from the 30's and 40's, just yesterday I was watching a movie with Fred Astair and Ginger Rogers and I was headbanging like crazy, goddamn.

And yeah, you're right, there are definitely bands of a Led Zeppelin caliber playing on a mainstream radio these days and selling 7 millions of records - not?

There are plenty of great bands that started just recently on the radio and that don't have their roots in the 60's / 70's or 80's - not?

In fact I bet there's another Jimi Hendrix playin in some dirty old club right now, but it's his bigger cousin Kanye who's ballin, cause shit is in vogue these days.

Don't forget the whole pop music became much more of a industry and rapidly changed with the start of the 80's with video coming up, and as the time went by, this actually enabled a chance to present those, who suck - you don't really need to be able to play or sing anymore and your concerts can be a joke.

It's hard to argue with this because the evidence is on 24 / 7 - again we're talking about pop music and i don't expect Tom Waits on MTV.

Elton John is a crazy fag with the biggest classic cars collection and the sickest fashion style in the history, but bring him back, hell I would take Tina Turner, Meat Loaf, the sickest 80's pin up armed Prince or Queen headlined by the 12 clicks's famous alter ego anytime over the multiethnic meltdown that's going on now.

Quoted for truthiness.

Yeah, everything is allright:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/chart...oard+Hot+10 0

And it seems they really played just 6 different artists during the whole last week so it's just 6 names in the top 10 with Brittney Spears twice, Beyonce twice and a dude (most likely) called T.I. twice.

Now that's one hell of a symphony for ears!

Since when has the Billboard Hot 100 been a good source for quality music? And that #1 song features a rendition of the O-Zone song "Dragostea Din Tei,". Which was a number one single throughout Europe.

As the other guy said: things change, music changes, tastes change. Those songs are the top 100 because people like them. In 10-20 years, they will look back and say, "Remember the good old days of music when we had T.I. and Britney Spears? Those were the days of *good music*."

I do predict that, on the other hand it won't be easy cause there's really noone playing, noone even trying to sing or to make at least a little bit of very simple sense, so what's gonna be next?

Real animals on stage?

We've come a long way from the conformity in the 50's through a long and interesting revolting times to another new age of synthetic / senseless / supervisual / multiethnic / impotent conformity.

The big video brother is now telling you what is cool and what's not cool, cause if it shouldn't be cool they'll mark it as "alternative" to make sure the majority will get scared.

Don't consider this overproduced crap thats all over MTV the "music of today" get away from the man stream, listen to some independently labeled artists.

Ok, a Voice Box made for guitar use is not the same as auto tuners that came out in the 80's and are used now by Kanye and in the 90's by Cher and whoever else.

The deal is simple. If you can get up with your bandmates and PLAY your instruments and SING your song, you may call your self a "band" as the term applies to a group who creates and performs "music".

Now if you pipe in your voice and songs and sound effects and have a 5 minute dancing session on a tv show, it MIGHT be possible that you are a "band" playing "music", but it is not proven by your dancing performance and recorded music for tv cameras.

Finally.. if your "concert performance" is named as such to distinguish itself legally from the actual live performing of music.. you are Milli Vanilli with a better lawyer. PERIOD.

Mainstream is a joke, its not original - just more shit that record companies THINK will make money. Its money (another trend, and more hot topic t-shirts to be sold), not talent. For a decade rappers have come out stating they are "ballin" - with rented jewels on. They say nothing, they are actors - pure nothing. Its lazy. Fuck 'em all ... soul-less, record company sell-outs, top 40 mainstream garbage.

We need our good & old english punk rock back!

Man, I dunno, I just work here.

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom
Finally.. if your "concert performance" is named as such to distinguish itself legally from the actual live performing of music.. you are Milli Vanilli with a better lawyer. PERIOD.

- girl you know its true!

it sounds cool...

Your right :1orglaugh

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I think the problem is you listen to the radio and associate that with "today's music" :)

I have blissfully not listened to the radio in 8 years. On a side note...I picked up the new Common album today, and I'm digging it so far.

Thank you. Well said, sir.

I agree. Elvis was shit.

No it's not the same as saying the Beatles were pretty faces AT ALL. Unlike Elvis, the Beatles actually wrote their own music which has more than stood the test of time. Their few years of creativity pushed pop music forward (along with Brian Wilson) into places it hadn't been before. Charisma is just another way of saying pretty boy. Elvis was just a puppet real musicians and artists fed their songs through.

What's available in the media? You mean the 10,000 music blogs? Since when has MTV EVER been a representation of good music? It's been almost 25 years since the Dead Kennedy's shouted "MTV Get off the Air!" and you're STILL pointing to it and asking why it's crap?

Here's the top 40 from the whole year of '95 the last year of "good music" according to you.

01. Gangsta's Paradise » Coolio
02. Waterfalls » TLC
03. Creep » TLC
04. Kiss From A Rose » Seal
05. On Bended Knee » Boyz II Men
06. Another Night » Real McCoy
07. Fantasy » Mariah Carey
08. Take A Bow » Madonna
09. Don't Take It Personal (Just One Of Dem Days) » Monica
10. This Is How We Do It » Montell Jordan
11. I Know » Dionne Farris
12. Water Runs Dry » Boyz II Men
13. Freak Like Me » Adina Howard
14. Run-Around » Blues Traveler
15. I Can Love You Like That » All-4-One
16. Have You Ever Really Loved A Woman? » Bryan Adams
17. Always » Bon Jovi
18. Boombastic / In The Summertime » Shaggy
19. Total Eclipse Of The Heart » Nicki French
20. You Gotta Be » Des'ree
21. You Are Not Alone » Michael Jackson
22. Hold My Hand » Hootie & The Blowfish
23. One More Chance-Stay With Me » Notorious B.I.G.
24. Here Comes The Hotstepper » Ini Kamoze
25. Candy Rain » Soul For Real
26. Let Her Cry » Hootie & The Blowfish
27. I Believe » Blessid Union Of Souls
28. Red Light Special » TLC
29. Runaway » Janet Jackson
30. Strong Enough » Sheryl Crow
31. Colors Of The Wind » Vanessa Williams
32. Someone To Love » Jon B.
33. Only Wanna Be With You » Hootie & The Blowfish
34. If You Love Me » Brownstone
35. In The House Of Stone And Light » Martin Page
36. I Got 5 On It » Luniz
37. Baby » Brandy
38. Run Away » Real McCoy
39. As I Lay Me Down » Sophie B. Hawkins
40. He's Mine » Mokenstef


What a fucking shit fest.

Here's 1975:

01. Love Will Keep Us Together » Captain & Tennille
02. Rhinestone Cowboy » Glen Campbell
03. Philadelphia Freedom » Elton John
04. Before The Next Teardrop Falls » Freddy Fender
05. My Eyes Adored You » Frankie Valli
06. Shining Star » Earth, Wind & Fire
07. Fame » David Bowie
08. Laughter In The Rain » Neil Sedaka
09. One Of These Nights » Eagles
10. Thank God I'm A Country Boy » John Denver
11. Jive Talkin' » Bee Gees
12. Best Of My Love » Eagles
13. Lovin' You » Minnie Riperton
14. Kung Fu Fighting » Carl Douglas
15. Black Water » Doobie Brothers
16. Ballroom Blitz » Sweet
17. (Hey Wont You Play) Another Somebody Done Somebody Wrong Song » B.J. Thomas
18. He Don't Love You (Like I Love You) » Tony Orlando & Dawn
19. At Seventeen » Janis Ian
20. Pick Up The Pieces » Average White Band
21. The Hustle » Van McCoy & The Soul City Symphony
22. Lady Marmalade » Labelle
23. Why Can't We Be Friends? » War
24. Love Wont Let Me Wait » Major Harris
25. Boogie On Reggae Woman » Stevie Wonder
26. Wasted Days And Wasted Nights » Freddy Fender
27. Fight The Power, Pt. 1 » Isley Brothers
28. Angie Baby » Helen Reddy
29. Jackie Blue » Ozark Mountain Daredevil
30. Fire » Ohio Players
31. Magic » Pilot
32. Please Mr. Postman » Carpenters
33. Sister Golden Hair » America
34. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds » Elton John
35. Mandy » Barry Manilow
36. Have You Never Been Mellow » Olivia Newton-John
37. Could It Be Magic » Barry Manilow
38. Cat's In The Cradle » Harry Chapin
39. Wildfire » Michael Murphy
40. I'm Not Lisa » Jessi Colter

Another fucking shitfest excepting Bowie.

The top 40 is ALWAYS at least 80-90% shit even on those rare occasions where you have a few big bands releasing good stuff at the same time. Even during a "movement" year people have a tendency to remember say, Nirvana's Nevermind and forget that Boyz 2 Men, Kriss Kross's "Jump", Right Said fred's "I'm too Sexy", Billy Ray Cyrus's "Achy Breaky Heart" all beat the shit out of it in the charts.

So once again.. it's a selection bias, remembering the good, forgetting the bad. There is always good music out there. You just can't rely on the tv to bring it to you... Just like you haven't been able to for decades so there is absolutely no point complaining because all it does is show your apathy to do anything other than be force fed (in which case you deserve the top 40) and ignorance of what is actually out there.

We're talking about pop music, the mass spread thing here - radio / tv, it's more clueless and worthless than ever. It's more idiocy than ever displayed.

I did, and I believe many people do.

actually if you dig into it a bit more, those top40 lists are interesting culturally...

1975 was a very laid back time for pop music

I showed that mass spread pop music in '75 was just as shit as 1995 and will be as shit in 2025. As far as more clueless and worthless than ever:

"He did the mash, he did the moooonster mash! The monster mash - it was a graveyard smash!"

"Ba ba ba, ba Barbara Ann, Ba ba ba, ba Barbara Ann, Barbar-aaaaaaa-aaaaa-annnn take my haaaaaa-and Barbar-aaaaaaa-aaaaa-annnn"

QED.

Just take those old records off the shelf
I'll sit and listen to them by myself
Today's music ain't got the same soul
I like that old time rock and roll

Someone beat this guy up.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7BWEp...eature=related

I dont listen to the radio buddy....unless if its on in your car and i take a ride ;-) but saw him on tv....now i do watch tv though lol...

who doesnt listen to the radio again? :1orglaugh we all listen to the radio....

but i love my records and actually gonna put some Dean Martin on now :pimp

"Mmm Hmmm Gitchi Gitchi Ya Ya Da Da Gitchi Gitchi Ya Ya Here Mocca chocolata Ya Ya" in 1975 doesn't make "Drop it like it's hot, drop it like it's hot" in 2005 sound like an MIT physics lesson in comparison?

Mass consumption pop music has always and will always be able to be called "worthless and clueless". One of the first rock songs ever written was about shaking, then rattling, before finally rolling. It wasn't an epic meditation on the writings of Voltaire as they related to the French Revolution. 'twas ever thus and will forever be...


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Goddamn Dee Dee Sharp - it's all about her the bling around her neck and dancing in the clubs! Have black people in music clips learned nothing in half a century????

lol.
all you have to do to make it in music anymore is to get popular in the getto. Then the suburban kids will think you're cool, the girls will think you are deep and edgy. Before you know it, rich white men want you to make videos. In interviews, let them know that you are "from the streets" and you "pop caps" and "Bust in bitches faces" Invent your own language or better yet, display total ignorance of the english language and the kids will love you.

People who can't appreciate today's music are boring as fuck. There's more amazing music being produced on a daily basis than I'll ever get a chance to listen to in just about every genre you can think of. Broaden your horizons.

If I think about it twice the real problems start when we start to compare Elvis to Kanye.

Elvis to Kanye is like Enrico Caruso to a PC speaker.

Some really excellent singers and melodic stuff in there, sure won't cause such a serious physical and psychical damage to an someone that's unprepaired as the 2008 stars do.

Ok, you like TLC and Boyz II Men... the conversation pretty much ends here. You can't like them and complain about the bad pop music of today. It's like a serial killer complaining about dying from cancer. 2008 is DEFINATELY no worse than TLC, Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men. I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic.

Well with TLC there's a really great bass line you are more bitter than me I guess.. the thing is, the people who make pop music should really have as an attribute at least to be able to sing well and interpret the song, god damn I love Frank Sinatra or anyone who would be able to match him, those guys were one of a hell of a singers.

Ok so we've come to a conclusion we can all agree on:

Today's pop stars can't sing, they suck on all levels, they're no more musicians or performes of music of any kind. Ten years ago they still could look at least a bit musical.

Well I'm trying to broaden my horizons every day, I have more than 1900 records and I feel myself somehow educated in jazz or stuff that's really not that easy to listen to.

List 10 examples of these days music (established after 95 ) that made it to media and is truly groundbreaking.

music of today is music from the past;
just twice its speed and half its quality ...

its ... yes, for me, it IS:
CRAP

fuck that gansta gabbing garbage ...
pure trash ... but, looking at the charts
you see how degeneration of the kids
takes place ... the less sophisticated
the music, the more they love it ... why?
becoz they fucking dont use their brains :warning
cell phones, Ipod ... they dunno how to
climb a tree but need a cell phone by
the age of 8 already ... crippled minds ...

is that what "The Exploited" had in mind
when they recorded "Troops Of Tomorrow"?

anyways ... todays charts is a dump fulla
shit for me ...

It is hard to tell whether he is some kind of parody or supposed to be real. Some uniquely awful shit

eh, it kinda reminds me of Electric Circus. The only track i like is the Universal Mind Control, it has that old school breaker feel to it :thumbsup

:2 cents:

That might be a part of the problem - cool and immediate satisfaction, less concentration and judgement than ever

Great post actually.

Kinda agree