Educating Webmasters.... - GoFuckYourself.com

DeanCapture · 12-10-2008, 12:23 PM

I had an interesting phone call yesterday from a Webmaster who wanted to hire me to shoot a model for him. He asked how many pic sets and how many vids I could shoot in a day and how much it would cost. I told him we typically shoot 6 units per day and it would cost him $blablabla. That could be 3 sets of pics and 3 vids, or 6 pic sets or 6 vids or any combination of 6 units. He laughed a little and said....."just so I'm clear, you shoot all day and shoot only 6 units"? I said yes. He laughed some more and said...."I can shoot that in 2 hours"! Then I said, well perhaps you haven't seen the quality that we produce. He said yes I've seen your work but I don't need that kind of quality. So I replied that perhaps another photographer would be better suited for your needs.

One of the things I've found over the years of shooting content is that I spend a lot of my time educating webmasters about content production. It might surprise you that some of the largest and most successful sites are run by people who have never been to a photo shoot or a video shoot and have absolutely no idea what it entails and how much time, effort and stress it takes to produce content. I think if more "content buyers" would take the time to see how content was produced, they'd have a little more respect for producers. If your a content buyer, you should take to your producers and ask them if you could join them on the set one day. You might be in for an eye opening experience

Kristian · 12-10-2008, 12:25 PM

Good post.

IllTestYourGirls · 12-10-2008, 12:28 PM

That is pretty much true about any profession. Most people think they could do a better job, faster job but end up getting what they paid for. I hear that kinda shit all the time when managing my construction company. I end up going step by step with the people because what they think is easy usually isn't.

Eric · 12-10-2008, 12:30 PM

This is a prime example of "You get what you pay for."

Many people do not understand the concept.

OMG Jim · 12-10-2008, 12:43 PM

Excellent post Dean

One only has to look at your work and stature within the industry to realize that great quality garners top price when it comes to content.

Too many webmasters have "Champagne Tastes with Beer Budgets"

Please never compromise your standards Dean for the sake of the Almighty $$$.
_

mona · 12-10-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

That is pretty much true about any profession. Most people think they could do a better job, faster job but end up getting what they paid for. I hear that kinda shit all the time when managing my construction company. I end up going step by step with the people because what they think is easy usually isn't.

Well said, and you too Dean.

I always think it's kinda silly that NBA stars get paid millions, but when your electricity goes out or your plumbing gets backed up, you're pretty much "shit out of luck" (

) until those guys show up at your door.

Sly · 12-10-2008, 12:47 PM

This is true in many facets. When I was selling hosting I always joked that half of my job was educating people. I never really buy into the "that is so much money, they don't deserve that" mentality. A person deserves what they can get, if they have a lot of expenses and a lot of experience and a lot of knowledge... you can only expect the end-user price to be considerable.

Sly · 12-10-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mona_klixxx

Well said, and you too Dean.

I always think it's kinda silly that NBA stars get paid millions, but when your electricity goes out or your plumbing gets backed up, you're pretty much "shit out of luck" (

) until those guys show up at your door.

I don't think it's silly at all that professional athletes make so much money. Most of them diet and execute extreme workout regimens every day for 30 plus years... that takes discipline and a lot of hard work. Most of us have a hard time getting up at a decent time in the morning. :-)

If they bring in the fans, they get the money.

Exotic Gold · 12-10-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I had an interesting phone call yesterday from a Webmaster who wanted to hire me to shoot a model for him. He asked how many pic sets and how many vids I could shoot in a day and how much it would cost. I told him we typically shoot 6 units per day and it would cost him $blablabla. That could be 3 sets of pics and 3 vids, or 6 pic sets or 6 vids or any combination of 6 units. He laughed a little and said....."just so I'm clear, you shoot all day and shoot only 6 units"? I said yes. He laughed some more and said...."I can shoot that in 2 hours"! Then I said, well perhaps you haven't seen the quality that we produce. He said yes I've seen your work but I don't need that kind of quality. So I replied that perhaps another photographer would be better suited for your needs.

One of the things I've found over the years of shooting content is that I spend a lot of my time educating webmasters about content production. It might surprise you that some of the largest and most successful sites are run by people who have never been to a photo shoot or a video shoot and have absolutely no idea what it entails and how much time, effort and stress it takes to produce content. I think if more "content buyers" would take the time to see how content was produced, they'd have a little more respect for producers. If your a content buyer, you should take to your producers and ask them if you could join them on the set one day. You might be in for an eye opening experience

To be honest, if you can bust out six sets of the quality of stuff you typically post here, that's pretty damn good.

Abyss_Vee · 12-10-2008, 12:52 PM

http://www.epicwinrar.com/

Bosco · 12-10-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Abyss_Vee

http://www.epicwinrar.com/

OMG !!! ... is that really accurate ?

IllTestYourGirls · 12-10-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Abyss_Vee

http://www.assfuckershouldbebanned.com/

Hey ass hole I just lost work because of that.

You should be banned

Bosco · 12-10-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Abyss_Vee

http://www.epicwinrar.com/

crazy...

2012 · 12-10-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

"I can shoot that in 2 hours"!

Then what the fuck does he need you for !

DeanCapture · 12-10-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Hey ass hole I just lost work because of that.

You should be banned

He's one of my haters - don't pay him any attention

JamesK · 12-10-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Abyss_Vee

http://www.epicwinrar.com/

Fucking cunt

pornguy · 12-10-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I had an interesting phone call yesterday from a Webmaster who wanted to hire me to shoot a model for him. He asked how many pic sets and how many vids I could shoot in a day and how much it would cost. I told him we typically shoot 6 units per day and it would cost him $blablabla. That could be 3 sets of pics and 3 vids, or 6 pic sets or 6 vids or any combination of 6 units. He laughed a little and said....."just so I'm clear, you shoot all day and shoot only 6 units"? I said yes. He laughed some more and said...."I can shoot that in 2 hours"! Then I said, well perhaps you haven't seen the quality that we produce. He said yes I've seen your work but I don't need that kind of quality. So I replied that perhaps another photographer would be better suited for your needs.

One of the things I've found over the years of shooting content is that I spend a lot of my time educating webmasters about content production. It might surprise you that some of the largest and most successful sites are run by people who have never been to a photo shoot or a video shoot and have absolutely no idea what it entails and how much time, effort and stress it takes to produce content. I think if more "content buyers" would take the time to see how content was produced, they'd have a little more respect for producers. If your a content buyer, you should take to your producers and ask them if you could join them on the set one day. You might be in for an eye opening experience

Very true. I think what he may have been thinking is that in todays market there are a lot of NEW Shooters and that they will do the shoot for less. No, they may not be Dean Capture, but they may be the next one that builds a LOYAL following based on the fact that they were GOOD at and cheaper at a time when people are looking to save.

Bosco · 12-10-2008, 01:05 PM

LOL i love that link !

alexchechs · 12-10-2008, 01:07 PM

I hate when people think they can get quality content for cheap... Good for you Dean...

tony286 · 12-10-2008, 01:09 PM

Dean I like your work but I cant see you charging $blablabla I can see $blabla but not $blablabla. lol Im in a good mood.

Abyss_Vee · 12-10-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

He's one of my haters - don't pay him any attention

Don't flatter yourself chief

DeanCapture · 12-10-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Abyss_Vee

Don't flatter yourself chief

Eat a dick mother fucker. You took the time out of your precious day to post your idiotic shit in my thread -

FUCK YOU CHIEF!

Bosco · 12-10-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Eat a dick mother fucker. You took the time out of your precious day to post your idiotic shit in my thread -

FUCK YOU CHIEF!

lol...this is really funny !

you guys should fight!

Abyss_Vee · 12-10-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Eat a dick mother fucker. You took the time out of your precious day to post your idiotic shit in my thread -

FUCK YOU CHIEF!

anytime for you pumpkin. now go crawl under your desk

DeanCapture · 12-10-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Abyss_Vee

anytime for you pumpkin. now go crawl under your desk

Sure thing cowboy - I love my haters

If it weren't for low-life talentless pricks like you, this board would be boring as hell. Keep up the great work!

JFK · 12-10-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Eat a dick mother fucker. You took the time out of your precious day to post your idiotic shit in my thread -

FUCK YOU CHIEF!

Dean, I think you should emphasize this a little more, sort of blends in

FUCK YOU CHIEF!

DeanCapture · 12-10-2008, 01:40 PM

Sorry guys - I should have just ignored that asswipe! My bad! Carry on...........

boudoir · 01-12-2009, 10:24 PM

Dean, thanks for this info. The first couple of webmasters who encouraged me to shoot content were all about quantity, not quality. Sorry, I can't put my name on crap.

NickB. · 01-12-2009, 10:31 PM

Id probably wont be able to keep it in the pants LOL

Iron Fist · 01-12-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Abyss_Vee

http://www.epicwinrar.com/

You are an idiot. Embedded without sound controls, now that's just greasy.

DeanCapture · 01-12-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

You are an idiot. Embedded without sound controls, now that's just greasy.

He is a fucking idiot - for sure. And look at the size of his fucking sig! That's two reasons to ban that idiot but guess what? He's probably a bro and nobody will ever say shit to him about it. So much for fucking rules.....

StaceyJo · 01-13-2009, 04:02 AM

You're exactly correct there, Dean.

tranza · 01-13-2009, 06:24 AM

Nice post

Zayne E. · 01-13-2009, 06:35 AM

And yet, so many here think a website design is only worth $300...well those who think 1:10,000 or worse conversion ratios are "normal" in this "market climate" and "economy" do at least.

Too few stop to think there are designers who actually know how to make a page flow...how to capture a surfer's attention in the nanosecond window of opportunity that a decision to stay & surf or bail is made...how to guide them through the page to the join page and make that join page compelling enough to take action.

Great post, Dean. Your words ring true for ANY professional in this industry.

ContentSHOOTER · 01-13-2009, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Sorry guys - I should have just ignored that asswipe! My bad! Carry on...........

Great post Dean, personally I think you should have slammed him much harder just my

spacedog · 01-13-2009, 06:50 AM

I'd LOVE to join you on a shoot with Carli Banks

12-10-2008, 12:23 PM	#1
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	Educating Webmasters.... I had an interesting phone call yesterday from a Webmaster who wanted to hire me to shoot a model for him. He asked how many pic sets and how many vids I could shoot in a day and how much it would cost. I told him we typically shoot 6 units per day and it would cost him $blablabla. That could be 3 sets of pics and 3 vids, or 6 pic sets or 6 vids or any combination of 6 units. He laughed a little and said....."just so I'm clear, you shoot all day and shoot only 6 units"? I said yes. He laughed some more and said...."I can shoot that in 2 hours"! Then I said, well perhaps you haven't seen the quality that we produce. He said yes I've seen your work but I don't need that kind of quality. So I replied that perhaps another photographer would be better suited for your needs. One of the things I've found over the years of shooting content is that I spend a lot of my time educating webmasters about content production. It might surprise you that some of the largest and most successful sites are run by people who have never been to a photo shoot or a video shoot and have absolutely no idea what it entails and how much time, effort and stress it takes to produce content. I think if more "content buyers" would take the time to see how content was produced, they'd have a little more respect for producers. If your a content buyer, you should take to your producers and ask them if you could join them on the set one day. You might be in for an eye opening experience __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

12-10-2008, 12:28 PM	#3
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	That is pretty much true about any profession. Most people think they could do a better job, faster job but end up getting what they paid for. I hear that kinda shit all the time when managing my construction company. I end up going step by step with the people because what they think is easy usually isn't. __________________

12-10-2008, 12:30 PM	#4
Eric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Helm! Posts: 8,818	This is a prime example of "You get what you pay for." Many people do not understand the concept. __________________ No One

12-10-2008, 12:43 PM	#5
OMG Jim Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,153	Excellent post Dean One only has to look at your work and stature within the industry to realize that great quality garners top price when it comes to content. Too many webmasters have "Champagne Tastes with Beer Budgets" Please never compromise your standards Dean for the sake of the Almighty $$$. _ __________________ ICQ: 254 914 537 - Skype: AlmightyJim

12-10-2008, 12:47 PM	#7
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,340	This is true in many facets. When I was selling hosting I always joked that half of my job was educating people. I never really buy into the "that is so much money, they don't deserve that" mentality. A person deserves what they can get, if they have a lot of expenses and a lot of experience and a lot of knowledge... you can only expect the end-user price to be considerable. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

12-10-2008, 12:25 PM	#2
Kristian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,733	Good post.

12-10-2008, 12:52 PM	#10
Abyss_Vee Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,208	http://www.epicwinrar.com/

12-10-2008, 01:05 PM	#18
Bosco Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 623	LOL i love that link ! Last edited by Bosco; 12-10-2008 at 01:07 PM..

12-10-2008, 01:07 PM	#19
alexchechs Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: BROOKLYN!!! Posts: 3,474	I hate when people think they can get quality content for cheap... Good for you Dean... __________________ Alex Chechs http://thefawnconspiracy.com

12-10-2008, 01:09 PM	#20
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Dean I like your work but I cant see you charging $blablabla I can see $blabla but not $blablabla. lol Im in a good mood.

12-10-2008, 01:40 PM	#27
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	Sorry guys - I should have just ignored that asswipe! My bad! Carry on........... __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

01-12-2009, 10:24 PM	#28
boudoir Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South! Posts: 211	Dean, thanks for this info. The first couple of webmasters who encouraged me to shoot content were all about quantity, not quality. Sorry, I can't put my name on crap. __________________ [email protected] / ICQ #28 653 489 Creating quality glamour & art content just for you! Contact me for more info and rates. www.boudoir-art.com/content

01-12-2009, 10:31 PM	#29
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	Id probably wont be able to keep it in the pants LOL

01-13-2009, 04:02 AM	#32
StaceyJo Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 8,960	You're exactly correct there, Dean. __________________ /_______ WebCashMaker ______\ \| _TeenageDecadence - Young Board Naked Teens. \| \| ____ NonNudeGirls - Female Puberty Photos. ____ \| \| _ HerSelfPics - The ORIGINAL exGF SelfPic site. __ \| \.______ xPosing - Wife Photosharing site. _______./

01-13-2009, 06:24 AM	#33
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Nice post __________________ I'm just a newbie.

01-13-2009, 06:35 AM	#34
Zayne E. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,383	And yet, so many here think a website design is only worth $300...well those who think 1:10,000 or worse conversion ratios are "normal" in this "market climate" and "economy" do at least. Too few stop to think there are designers who actually know how to make a page flow...how to capture a surfer's attention in the nanosecond window of opportunity that a decision to stay & surf or bail is made...how to guide them through the page to the join page and make that join page compelling enough to take action. Great post, Dean. Your words ring true for ANY professional in this industry.

01-13-2009, 06:50 AM	#36
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	I'd LOVE to join you on a shoot with Carli Banks