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Really, we're at a serious point in history here. Twenty years of conservative economic policies have resulted in the wealthiest country in the world going completely bankrupt. The richest 0.001 percent of the population now control a higher percentage of wealth than during any other period, and there have been a lot of really unjust eras throughout history. What was formally the largest and wealthiest middle class the world had ever seen will be fighting over food scraps in ten years, killing over them in 30.

Now, it's obvious to anyone who takes five minutes to think about it what is to blame. Conservative economics. De-regulation, what they describe as free trade, and an unfair tax system has predictably caused the disaster we are in now. The main economic principle that we have been following for the past two decades is designed to put as much money as possible in to the hands of the richest among us, and I'm not talking about Lensman or Oprah, I'm talking about the controlling class, who do not show their faces in public often. Not only is this depression we are entering the predictable result of their policies, enriching the richest was for a long time something they openly admitted was their goal (until everyone realized "trickle down" really was voodoo... about two months ago).

There is something we all have to admit. I know it's hard, because everyone has that conservative friend or family member they love, myself included. But it's gut check time. Conservatism is not a legitimate political ideology, it is a mental disorder. You wonder why all the conservatives on TV are crazy (Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, Malkin, etc etc etc), it's because anyone who isn't a multi-billionaire who would understand and yet advocate conservative economic policies is crazy. Some people are simply better at hiding it than others, but once you pay close enough attention to one of them, it becomes obvious. These are people who have been abused, beaten up constantly in childhood, or otherwise feel that they have not had a fair life... and they do not want anyone else to have one. Quite simply, they hate their fellow man. These people are against our society, whether consciously or subconsciously. They are anathema to social justice, peace, and prosperity. Throughout history they have fought constantly against freedom, equality, science, and anything and everything else that has the potential to improve human life. The world will never be anything resembling a decent place until these sociopaths are denied the right to be involved in government, science, finance, and every other important aspect of our society.

I am not in any way advocated Mao-like purges involving executions. What I am suggesting as the only possible way for western civilization to rid itself of this plague, is a serious purge of right wing people from any position of power, and the removal of their right to vote. Yes, I am advocating McCarthyism and the end of universal suffrage. On a side note, we don't have anything resembling universal suffrage now, history class propaganda aside, there are millions of ex-cons in the US alone who have had their right to vote taken away, and they're not the only ones.

This would have to be done on a national, state, city, and community level.

Every private bank on earth should be immediately shut down, their assets distributed between governments and populations. The leaders of said companies should be jailed for life, as should every one of their political enablers (almost every elected official in the United States, including Barack Obailout). Businesses run by current or recent supporters of conservative economics should be sized and either handed over to employees who have not also been purged, or closed. Every person who ever propagandized for these policies should also be jailed for live. Every other conservative who can be proven to have supported these policies should simply have their right to vote removed, and be barred from holding any kind of a decision making job or running any business.

Yes, these are drastic measures and no, they are not going to happen. But we are heading for desperate times. There is going to be widespread poverty, rioting, dying. The entire way of life we got used to, thanks mostly to the new deal policies which were passed the last time the population lost it and gained one iota of control over the government, is over. In the words of Ani Defranco, take away our playstations, and we are a third world nation. They won't actually come take away your playstation, but in five years, there just won't be any electricity coming in to your house to power it. Remember who to thank. And don't ever say no one ever suggested a solution that would end this kind of financial tyranny. Getting rid of those among us who actively work to harm society. One day, maybe in 20 years, maybe in 2000, mandkind will get in to such a desperate situation, such a horrible place, that rational thinking people will remove any influence of people who would prefer to see others harmed, namely conservatives. That day, society will begin to make serious progress towards social justice, equality, and sustainability. Until then, we're fucked. Grab your balls and get ready to take it up the ass folks, because what we're seeing now is not the hard part. It's the precursor.

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2008 - Everyone on GFY is a SEO expert
2009 - Everyone on GFY have the solution to(or know who to blame) the financial crisis

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Oh, and while we are all suffering through the coming depression, these people will be blaming you and me for it.

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How is it possible to deny the fact that conservative economic policies caused what we're now calling "the financial crisis"? That part I thought was pretty self evident by now.

Conservatives are already starting to repent.

IllTestYourGirls

There was NOTHING conservative about Bush's policies. What a useless rant that I did not bother reading after the first line.

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conservatives did not do this by themselves... its about you people wake up and realize its both sides that have been fucking you over for the last 25+ years.

IllTestYourGirls

Been almost 100 now. Both are fucking us. The left/right argument is to take your eye of the real problems.

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cykoe6

What surprise. An economic downturn occurs and every single coffee house Marxist comes out of the woodwork and starts screaming for an end to the evils of capitalism. How historically illiterate do you need to be to ignore the almost unimaginable level of human suffering that your Marxist schemes have caused in this world? How can you possibly expect people to be so stupid as to think that the system which has created the highest level of prosperity in the history of mankind should be scrapped in favor of a system which has caused the most suffering?

Like a a typical Maoist you are screaming for "purges" against enemies of the people who will not get with your program. Of course all this Democracy and freedom just stands in the way of "progress." Of course there is no need for executions (not yet). Give everyone a chance to get with the program first. Once you have everyone on board then you can start weeding out the kulaks who are hording too much grain.

What is wrong with you is a sickness. You need to stop hating yourself and the rest of humanity and get out of your Mom's basement and try making some money and supporting yourself. You will find that freedom and responsibility feel good. Socialism always sounds great to the misfits and social outcasts who cannot find their way in a free society. Instead of trying to spread your pain and failure to the rest of us why don't you change you own life.

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When I say conservative I am not saying Republican. Anyone who advocated, advanced, or otherwise supported these policies in any way must be removed from power. As I said, this includes the vast majority of elected officials in the United States, democrats and republicans. This does not include every republican voter by a long shot, simply those who supported so called Reaganomics, the neo-liberal, Milton Friedman based economic policies that we have been terrorized with for the past generation. The policies that have taught us to privatize profits and socialize losses. The policies that have led to the government handing over the remainder of our national wealth to the criminals who having been slowing stealing it for decades.

Machete_

well.. neither did I

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the same thing you say about them they can prepare an even longer post about you, everyone is right everyone is wrong it just depends how you look at things, guy killed because he wanted to kill guy killed in self defense, a good story teller can twist shit as he wants.

Right now its about ridding the world of dreamers, ridding the world of lazy fucks, and people who blame everything on someone else, and youll get rid of them by kicking them back to working hard and making money and saving and spending wisely just like your parents and my parents did

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I am not crying out for purges, this is a thought experiment intended to illicit an intense debate. I am not any kind of activist, just a powerless observer watching our financial system collapse at the hands of the maniacs you support.

I am not a marxist or a moaist, or any kind of ideologue. Although there are certainly valid aspects to both ideologies, there are also many flaws. I don't think we have created any good system yet, and I don't think we will until the rational members of society can stop focusing on protecting themselves from and compromising with the wolves at the gate (you). Maybe that's a cop out. Certainly I believe the only just and eventually the final form of society will be some sort of a libertarian socialist system.

I don't live in my mother's basement either, didn't that one get old the minute Sarah Palin said it about dozens of people who are vastly more educated and respected than herself? I'm a home owner with a family. Not that those facts affect the thesis of my post, which is that the world would be a much better place if hostile conservatism were marginalized, from here to Iran.

Of course your post, which contains no argument whatsoever, simply childish insults, is a good example of the fairly typical defense mechanism for the conservative sociopath. Any one who has watched Bill O'Rielly yell a guest off the stage is well aware of that and will not be shocked by the hostility or immaturity displayed in your post and surely the many others to come in this thread from others with your condition.

hmm, maybe at least I'll be able to find a way to purge you fools from this thread.

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Right now is about ridding the world of the financial tyranny people are finally starting to understand. Until that is done, working our way out of this is the biggest dream.

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I'd say it's actually been several hundred. Since well before the founding of the USA. Since the banks seized control of the European empires basically. I'm only looking at Reaganomics because these are the people enabling it today. We have to learn from history, but we can only change tomorrow.

Wow did that last sentence ever come out like a bad political slogan.

Totally agree about the left/right paradigm being a distraction. Just like, let's see... racism, religion...

BlackCrayon

Problem with that is all of the prosparity seen in the past ten years or so was made due to people spending irresponsibly. If people save and only "spend wisely", the economy will only get worse.

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cykoe6

I guess spending the rest of my life as a political prisoner for having the nerve to disagree with someone as educated and enlightened as you will give me plenty of time to brush up on my debate etiquette. I am sure I will be "reeducated" to learn respect for the wisdom of your ideas in the gulag.

It is always easy to see when an ideology has been utterly discredited because its supporters can only impotently scream for all of their ideological opponents to be jailed or killed. The totalitarian impulse of the far left would be amusing and sad if it had not been responsible for so much suffering and death.

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I am not advocating any kind of violence. In case you hadn't noticed, 99% of totalitarian regimes have been right wing. The most right wing leader in the Soviet Union's history, Stalin, caused by far the most suffering of that entire tyrannical system.

Don't forget your poster boy of totalitarianism



The TV news network that you currently let distort your mind with propaganda is modeled after the propaganda system this man used to commit the worst mass murder in history.

Yeah, us crazy leftists and OUR genocide.

I am not suggesting violence or anything of the sort. Simply removing your right to impose your tyranny on others. If rightist purges had happened in Germany in say, the twenties, you wouldn't recognize the face posted above. Your ideology involves the ultra rich robbing the working class for everything we are worth and using violence any time we resist.

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They have produced a financial tyranny in the United States, not a military dictatorship. That's what my first post is about.

I don't totally agree with you that people who support conservative economics are "staunch 2nd amendment supporters". I think a lot of people who vote for Republicans are, but they seem to be more often the ones who vote on social issues rather than financial policy. Those folks aren't the engineers of the financial crisis, they simply enable the worst of the people who are. Ultimately most 2nd amendment supporters are working class people, and will ultimately be victims of these economic policies just like the rest of us. Elite rightists would take away every private gun in this country just as fast as elite leftists.

Personally, I am a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, for the purpose of defending against totalitarian regimes.

cykoe6

It is always amusing to see you Marxists try to distance yourself from Stalin and call him a "rightist". As for Hitler...... his ideology was National Socialism. Various forms of totalitarian socialism, whether it be Leninism, Maoism, or National Socialism have been responsible for more then 100 million deaths in the last 100 years.

The only TV news networks that I see are broadcast in Russian so that is likely a different type of propaganda then what you had in mind.

I appreciate that you are not advocating violence and only suggest that us political criminals be stripped of our rights, assets and business and then imprisoned for life. We will certainly appreciate the mercy you have decided in your infinite wisdom to show us.

The same populist rhetoric that you are using now about punishing the "ruling class" of "criminals" and "wolves" who are stealing from the working man is straight out of Hitler's playbook. You call your enemies of the people "rightists", Stalin called them "kulaks" and "wreckers" and Hitler called them "Jews". It is the same tired old totalitarian socialist rhetoric dressed up using different terminology. Keep your murderous ideology and you totalitarian fantasies to yourself.

Like I recommended before, try doing something productive and make some money. It will help you gain a measure of self respect and clear your mind of this nonsense.

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Are you suggesting Hitler was left wing? Because his party was called socialist? Do you understand what we are talking about here?


I apologize for assuming you were an American. I was referring to Fox "News".



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They're just going to scare everyone into submission. Terror alerts in New York. American and British citizens getting killed in India by "Islamic Terrorists" from Pakistan. You know where this leads. This shit is getting old.

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cykoe6

I am a big believer in the right to bear arms for this same reason. That will be unfortunate for you when come to round me and my family up, take my property and imprison me for my political opinions. I am likely to express my dissent quite forcefully.

I wonder if you can even see the incredible lack of logical consistency in stating your fear of a totalitarian regime while openly advocating rounding up and imprisoning your ideological opponents. Either you are a liar or an idiot or both. My bet is on both.

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cykoe6 I think his frustration is really towards our "Leaders" and the business heads who were a part of the whole crisis. Those that are and were a part of the collapse and cover up.

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BlackCrayon

Why even say this? While I don't agree with db's idea of silencing conservatives, your idea of making money and sticking your head in the sand while there is so much financial corruption going on at a world level, its disgusting, makes no sense. db probably makes more money than most people on this board.

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I am not seriously advocating this. Actually read my posts.

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So cykoe6, you're saying you think that the way the US financial system has operated for the past 25 years is good policy? Do you have 10 billion dollars by chance? If not, Jesus Christ. Maybe I am on to something with that rant.


We're not rounding you up. Just not letting you vote or terrorize everyone else any more.

I suspect you are a victim of this grand conspiracy who just hasn't realized it yet. Come back here is a year when you're worth one quarter of what you are now, your house is worthless but the bank still wants their money, and see if you want to bump this thread.

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hmm I don't think Playboy is going to get their bailout out of this. Wouldn't be laughing if they went under I suspect.

cykoe6

Forgive me for reading your diatribe and assuming you meant it to be taken seriously. Perhaps when the sheer idiocy of your statements was pointed out you decided to pretend that you were not "advocating" these things despite using the fucking word "advocating" in your fucking original post. You have now removed any doubt about whether you are an idiot and a liar.

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