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PerfectionGirls 06-15-2003 08:56 AM

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What does that mean? They are too cute to not get naked? Help me out here.
They are cute enough not to have to rely on that sort of traffic. It was a compliment man. Its a decent site.

I am very familiar with all those site you mentioned. Hell.. I send a ton of sign ups to tiffanyteen myself. She does really well off my NUDE, teen traffic. I have spent severeal hours on the phone with the owner of that site and I am very aware of its consistant conversion pattern. I also very aware of the conversion records on the other sites mentioned. I can tell you excactly what there conversions are off front page hits.

All I am saying is that we need to make a clear distinction between non-nude, under 18 and non-nude LEGAL! If that is done it will help to end the under 18 market. I still think it s grey area, when people peddle there legal sites on sites that have underage models. Maybe you don't and thats great! Keep up the good work then. :)

xdcdave 06-15-2003 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


They are cute enough not to have to rely on that sort of traffic. It was a compliment man. Its a decent site.



I dont think I'm making myself very clear. Most of the legal NN paysites out there do NOT rely on underage traffic. In fact, the owners of most of these sites do a wonderful job of policing where their traffic is coming from and deleting affiliate accounts that are from underage sites. Granted, this is not 100% of the sites, but it is damn near all.

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I am very familiar with all those site you mentioned. Hell.. I send a ton of sign ups to tiffanyteen myself. She does really well off my NUDE, teen traffic. I have spent severeal hours on the phone with the owner of that site and I am very aware of its consistant conversion pattern. I also very aware of the conversion records on the other sites mentioned. I can tell you excactly what there conversions are off front page hits.
I agree, most NN sites do very well with nude traffic. These girls are hot as hell, they don't need to get naked for surfers to spank off.

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All I am saying is that we need to make a clear distinction between non-nude, under 18 and non-nude LEGAL! If that is done it will help to end the under 18 market. I still think it s grey area, when people peddle there legal sites on sites that have underage models. Maybe you don't and thats great! Keep up the good work then. :)
This is already being done. Legal NN site owners don't trade or promote under 18 NN sites, that's the bottom line. Like I said, when Verotel and Globosale go under, we'll all be better off in the NN niche.

McAttack 06-15-2003 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by XYCash


I know this is an old thread, but what is the difference between a site like the one mentioned above and a magazine like 17 magazine, or Cosmo Girls or American teen Magazine:

http://www.americanteen.tv/

Or this one which has the description in google:

Trading card game for girls includes pictures of real guys, ages 12 to 22, with personal profiles.

http://www.boycrazy.com

I think it's hard to draw a distinction between them as they all focus on under 18, legal content.

Simple Marketing knowledge would answer your question here. Who is the target market for Cosmo Girls, 17 Magazine and whatever other teen magazine? Teen age girls. It's made for the young teen girls who go to the pharmacy, buy some makeup and buy a magazine to learn whatever.

A site like this is processed by credit card, which is a form of age verification.

I'm glad the site got taken out or hope it did actually. Not so much because in the webmaster's eyes it's not bad or whatever, but because he has to realize who the fuck is buying memberships to it. Call it a Non-Nude teen modelling site, whatever, but I doubt modelling agencies are buying memberships to scope out new talent here.

Fuckers like this will get targetted by Ashhahahahaha and his crew, and I'm happy for it too. Btw, a mother already lost custody of her daughter in the states somewhere because she took pictures of her in the backyard in her bathing suit. What she thought was innocent pictures was deemed pornographic by the local law. They weren't sold or anything, the person who processed the pictures to be developped saw them and called the cops.

Gunni 06-15-2003 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by Shoplifter
Please tell me that MET will finally be moving to DiBill where it belongs..
DiBill?? And should they host at likewhoa :1orglaugh

PerfectionGirls 06-15-2003 09:41 AM

All and all this is a great topic and one that should be discussed on a regular basis. I'm glad I got a lesson on the back when I did and that we dropped the non-nude niche... even if it is legal. There are a couple very good non-nude sites out there where the webnmaster plays by the rules, but for everyone of them there are 20 that dont. Its a good niches, but there are stil grey areas that need to be defined. I'm just glad I do not run one of those sites.

Anyways... it's a good topic that Im sure we have not heard the last of.

xdcdave 06-15-2003 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
All and all this is a great topic and one that should be discussed on a regular basis. I'm glad I got a lesson on the back when I did and that we dropped the non-nude niche... even if it is legal. There are a couple very good non-nude sites out there where the webnmaster plays by the rules, but for everyone of them there are 20 that dont. Its a good niches, but there are stil grey areas that need to be defined. I'm just glad I do not run one of those sites.

Anyways... it's a good topic that Im sure we have not heard the last of.

I'm glad you don't either :thumbsup

More traffic for me :)

hitman699 06-26-2003 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


As you should! Its fucked up for sure. It is an issue that needs to be address.

As you seen from my first post in this thread. We.. at one time had a teen non-nude site. It did very well. She was 18, but looked all of 15. We made a mistake and ran in in the teen modeling areas and went after that market. Never should have done it, but we did know know at the time where and what are roll was as a webmaster. CCbill was processing that site and everything was gong along fine. With the new visa regs... sites like that were not allowed at ccbill any longer. I would say it was a good thing now that I look back on it and I am very happy they stopped processing that sort of site. At the time were were new here... (my second post ever) and we did know know it was out of line. Since the girl was 18 we did not see it being a problem. We did play her off as being younger, but the whole non-nude market does the same even if they are over 18. It's what there surfers crave. However.. 18 is 18! and we have and always produced sites that were 18 years and older and will continue to do so. We are 2257 compliant on everything we produce now and in the past.. and we can more then back it up.

I think the non-nude market has its place, but I will admit, in most cases the girls are made to look REALLY young in order to appeal to that market. You will find they are most of them advertised in the same sites and areas as many underage teen models are found. Its just wrong and i see why everyone is disgusted by it. Non-nude is an area that should not be explored by adult webmasters. It's a very grey area and one that should be kept away from. We made a mistake about 18 months ago that we will not make again.

Non-nude = bad news even if it is over 18...not as much for its content, but for giving that cp market something to look at. To many, 18 plus, non-nude sites advertise on underage teen sites. WAY TO MANY.



WOW.. what a way to backpeddle :1orglaugh

Wizzo 06-26-2003 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
legitimate teen model websites.
That's a REAL oxi-moron.

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
I happen to run a couple that are totally non-nude and are tasteful teen sites.
Yea, tasteful CP... Whatever...:1orglaugh

AbeFroman 06-26-2003 12:08 PM

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PerfectionGirls 06-26-2003 12:21 PM

OK.. lol Since this keeps coing back I guess I will Spam!! lol

Our newest site

Swedish Exchange Student!

We now have hosted galleries and hosted POTD's

Galleries and POTD's


Please notice the 2257 in everyone of our site! Been that way forever! Now

:321GFY

LOL


Have a good one!

p00p 07-21-2003 07:44 PM

A pedophile in denial.... :xomunch

doggiestyle_ec 08-07-2003 03:30 PM

bizump.

PbG 08-07-2003 09:01 PM

It amazes me no one has commented on the fact that CCBill has been processing for a quasi CP site for two years.

On the other hand I'm not surprised they took your 750 bucks or sold/leased you a server for more than $1500 bucks. Dont be surprised when they find an excuse to keep your commissions too.


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Originally posted by salsbury
while it's pretty fucked up that people are ok with publishing under-18 sites, i'd have to say CCBill fucked this guy, too. i didn't know CCBill sold dedicated servers (maybe through their hosting company?) but the $750 probably shouldn't have been collected (assuming it was) if they were going to shut off the processing a few days later.

PotentMind 08-07-2003 10:36 PM

:drinkup


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