I believe we'll have inflation, but I don't think I'll be paying $230 for a meal at Applebees.

How much can the US inflate before it pops? forever ?

They already pushed back the "pop" after the .com shit and multiple other crisis'

There needs to be a collapse

You can't just keep inflating and inflating for ever.

during The S&L Crisis over 700 banks failed and we came back.

Sure did..
However the total cost to fix that was "$124.6 billion of which was directly paid for by the U.S. government"

We're looking at 2 fucking trillion and it's just started!

I'm gonna take a second to thank you guys for actually debating this intelligently

UNLIKE YOU MALICIOUS YOU FUCKING RETARD

i have my weapons and lots of practice

repent judgment day is at hand
 

wtf is that an army of baddog terminators? :Oh crap

http://blog.ugo.com/images/uploads/t3_terminators.jpg

damn all those guys are dead most likely not the robots

All this talk that has been occupying the board lately about the economic crisis, nafta, or any other government conspiracy accomplishes nothing other than to occupy your time while things fall apart around you.

Now I am all for a good debate, but what is the point of debating and bickering and cringing behind your keyboards and waiting for the world to end?

If you see something wrong in the world around you, YOUR world, then I don't think sniveling on a board is going to change anything. It is almost as bad as ignoring the problems altogether. If you see something in the world around you and you don't lift a finger to actually try to change it, then what is the point of even complaining about it or worrying about it because as you point out, it is here and it is happening.

And I know some will say, but I AM doing something, I am spreading the word... Well, you're not. All you are doing is trying to get more people to see things the way you do, but fail to give them the tools required to do anything with that info other than to do what you just did. Paint more scary pictures to try and scare the shit out of people.

Fear mongering comes in many forms, but the dibilitating effects always amount to the same. And that is inaction or outright disbelief.

Everyone already knows the world is a scary place and if it is as bad as you think it is, and you only offer prognostic fear instead of real solutions for change you are simply rushing the process of decay.

The worst of these offenders is the "Conspiracy Theorist" who heaps up large doses of fear with no real solutions. In a thesis, I proposed that their efforts might actually be self defeating. Here is an excerpt:

"What if conspiracy theories are actually planted information, using the theorist as a tool for dissemination and disaccreditation? The conspiracy, while inherently true, is presented in such a manner as to allow the average citizen to dismiss it out of hand by the absurdity of its nature and the people who claim it to be true.

Most conspiracy theorists have only the short sighted focus of the problem at hand, or the end result of the conspiracy. Just as a doctor merely treats the symptom rather than the cause, a conspiracy theorist only draws a conclusion, never a solution...."

If you don't like the picture before you, don't bitch about, simply change it. :2 cents:

that's EXACTLY what's needed.

but the question is how far is it gonna go before it happens ?
How many will die before people question the government?

How many of our dollars will they pump into banks and their pockets, before the people say, You know, I've fucking had it with this?

By reading this thread, and the others on the front page right now.. it'll be too late.

They have a military, Americans are being stripped of their money, their guns and their rights and are all siting around with their thumbs up their asses saying nothing is wrong!

LOCK 'N' LOAD:thumbsup

"Civil War"... one of my favorite contradictions.

I agree with what you are saying, however .. how are we gonna do something until we discuss things and establish whether there is a actually a real threat?

if we even discuss what's going on, if it doesn't represent the pretty pictures like Malicious biz was posting we're called crazy and told to shut up, ridiculed by those too lazy to have a look around before just believing everything is okay.

The people need to develop an anger, and say collectively ( or at least as somewhat of a group ) that we are going to take action..

Do you suggest that one of us storms the white house? I know how that will end

"A Conspiracy freak was shot while trying to storm Washington today, Story at 11"

And yeah, perhaps we need a few 1 man armies dying in order to show the people that their thoughts are NOT crazy, and the US is FUCKED , and that we can do something if we band together and take back the country.

trust me, I know what you're saying .. everyone that I've spoken to offline about such things already thinks I'm crazy ( which could ultimately lead to them thinking these things are my crazy imagination ) .. however they don't think I'm crazy about this at all.

You're gonna see some people start to take action as anger builds.. blood shed is going to happen, I think at this point it's inevitable.

I do think we have the right to discuss all this before taking action though, We are informing people, and eventually ( I hope not too late ) the people will come together and take back what is rightfully theirs.

The solution is an overthrowing of these theives in congress, and taking things back.
Re-establishing the US on the same principals it was developed on, the constitution.. do you suggest I head down there by myself and do this?

People are about to begin protesting in the streets, these actions by congress and the US gov WILL bring action, the question is when.

the south will fail agian

I never said that you didn't have that right and sorry if it came off that way. My point was talk without action is pointless.

I also disagree with your eagerness to jump straight to violence as the means to a solution. There are many avenues in which to begin and exhaust before that becomes a viable solution.

Start emailing your representatives and congresspersons in your area. Start demanding changes. Get everyone you know to do it and everyone THEY know to do it. Start an initiative, start demonstrating and protesting.

There are MANY things you can do right now and tomorrow.

This is the scariest photo I've ever seen.....

I agree Calm your nerves and educate yourself if you haven't already and educate everyone you know. Thats all I'm trying to do. Put all of the thinking that has been inserted into your head aside. Take in information from those places you might consider "Conspiracy Theories" research the facts. First and foremost don't give GWB any reason to declare martial law. Join as many of the PACs you tend to agree with. Be peaceful and contact your representatives and DEMAND that they put a stop to the madness. If they don't deliver. We will. If you aren't in the US you need to follow these rules as well. The world is about to change as we know it. It can either change for the good or for the bad. We have to decide.

Listen to this video over and over https://youtube.com/watch?v=65Vkqcrfh9A

Okay, I think we're agreeing :D

IMO We're gonna see protesting and riots VERY soon, but the problem I'm having ( and it shows in this thread ) is that the vast majority of people either people don't care, or are too lazy to do anything .. or just don't see anything wrong ( gotta wonder how)

I've sat here arguing with everyone that something is indeed fucked up, but noone seems to see it,
They seem to think we're "Above" something like what I'm describing, and that the goverment is our best buddy.

People need to pull their heads out of their asses and look around before they can do anything.

I have been writing letters, and asking questions offline as well as my maniacle postings here.

My fear is that the amount of people doing so, is so miniscule that the gov is gonna steamroll right over us all.

My thoughts as well... and it would give the powers that be the perfect excuse to clamp down with Martial Law.

"Re-establishing the US on the same principals it was developed on, the constitution."

What principles are different in your mind. We were establishded as a Republic with elected representatives. To this day every two years members of the house are voted in or out, every four years our President is voted in or out, every six years members of the Senate are voted in or out. The congress still must advise and consent over the selection of Federal Judges including the Supreme Court. Citizens still have the right to petition their Representatives, the right to assemble and hold a peaceful protest. Freedom of speech and press etc. Please specify what principals are different today then they have been since the constitution was established?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

"My fear is that the amount of people doing so, is so miniscule that the gov is gonna steamroll right over us all."

Have you ever thought that since the majority of the people do not seem to share your views that it may mean your thinking may not be correct thinking and that you should revisit your thinking as being skewed.

https://youtube.com/v/E9VhD4SccSE&hl=en&fs=1

That simple act alone would be the spark that ignites the fire within the American people causing them to rise up and seek new leadership.

They can rise up and seek new leadership every election from local, county, state, to federal just as they have had the opportunity to do ever since the constitution was orginally established. Or they can also rise up and call for impeacment of all elected officials and for the impeachment of Federal Judges as well as most other (if not all) Judges. It is our system of governance.

The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional.
The Patriot Act walks all over the constitution.
The Law Of the Sea Treaty would eliminate the constitution
The NAU would eliminate the constitution.

Just a few for you play with.

The members of the Supreme Court decide what is constitutional and what is not constitutional when they are petioned to do so. In the case of the Patriot Act, just as many other laws, when petitioned to do so they have knoced down different parts of the Patriot Act. We have a system with built in checks and balances and eventually will knock down what is determined to be unconstitutional.

The Federal Reserve will become unconstitutional when the Supreme Court rules that it is and not when some unauthorized entity says it is. The same applies to the others named.

I guess I'll spend the weekend filling sandbags and placing metal doors on my home.

Thanks, I'm working now, so ..I don't have time to spoon feed these guys all by myself.

Spoon feed your opinions and not fact?

Yes, I have thought so..
Many many many many times..

I HOPE TO GOD MY VIEWS ARE SKEWED.

Now show me why they are, and how this is gonna turn out differently than I picture.
That's the idea of this thread, I'm not here to shove my views down throats.

I'm here to debate them, so maybe.. I can go to bed and think ..
"Wow, I'm wrong, and everythign WILL be okay."

And don't provide some answer like
" they wouldn't do that, cause we're such a peaceful planet and everything is love and roses, the government is our friends, why would they harm us! "

That's the typical answer, that " they just wouldn't do that " haha .. like the US government isn't killing people and starving them all over the globe. You know that since 911 .. the US is considered fair game as a " battle ground " ?

What I see around me, and what's going on isn't proving me wrong.:2 cents:

We only do that when a blowjob is part of the story.

Murder, theft, starvation, who cares :1orglaugh

ooops .. I see you said " all elected " now ..

but still, my point is valid.

Clinton gets his dick sucked and it was ALL OVER media , day in and day out.

Bush pretty much drives the country into the ground and the only ones saying anything are the "nutcases" like me..

What, specifically, do you think you see around you and what do you think is going on, that has not been going on, in one form or another, throughout our history?

Once martial law is invoked.. there's no rising up that doesn't involve LOTS AND LOTS OF BLOOD.

When did I say that it hasn't been going on throughout history?

My whole point is that history repeats itself..
We are on the verge of the great depression 2 point 0 and noone even thinks it's possible.

"they won't let it go to depression" is the common response.. from ignorant people that don't realise the depression is the solution, so they are PUSHING IT FURTHER.

Just like if the " big 3 " go tits up, it gives them a chance to rewrite things...
Another great depression would eventually fix things ( years in the future )
The dollar needs to be deflated.

President Clinton perjured himself while under oath and that is why he was impeached (and why he was convicted in a court of law) not because he got a blowjob. If he had not violated criminal law by perjuring himself he would not have been impeached.

Yes, it does seem that history does have a way of repeating itself, and even the ones in power that are attempting to prevent a depression fully admit that they do not know if what they are doing will prevent a depression. We are far from being in a depression (25 % unemployment compared to 7% or less at this point) but who knows, it is certainly possible that another depression may occur before all is said and done. We recovered from the previous depression and I suspect we will again, if one occurs.

What are you suggesting? That "hope" and "change" slogans haven't given me my country back already?
And here I was considering voting for the guy who would make me pay less tax. Man.. what an asshole I am.