Which is hurting conversions more: bad economy or tube sites

[Kard63]

Which is hurting conversions more: bad economy or tube sites

[EscortBiz]

tubes, search google for any keyword, and youll see most results is free movie link sites

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

tubes, search google for any keyword, and youll see most results is free movie link sites

Google two or three keywords and a lot of tube site show up first.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Google two or three keywords and a lot of tube site show up first.

Type into google three or four keywords and a lot of tube site show up 1st.

[PostWhore]

ah stop this whining about tubesites

[Tanker]

its a combination of both shitty economy and the ability to find porn free maybe not the best quality but enough to get you off combine that with credit being frozen and less credit available people are either not using CC or they have lost them altogether

[Tanker]

and you just need to build a bigger footprint on the web catch more flies in your web and once you have them ensure there getting a good product do they do stay

[AnalProbe]

Adult Paysites = The Candy Machine

Tube Sites = Taped Coin

Customer > Wins (double or triple)

You > Lose

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[Darkcrni]

How long we are going to talk about this shit, its both, we are going down anyhow!!!

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

The economy is fueling the tube sites, because everyone is broke, they can't afford to pay, so they resort to free porn.

[Antonio]

well, people sign up for cams and spend like 10 bucks??? a year ago on average 10 signups would make me about $800-$1000 with cams, now it's more profitable to go per signup (of course when you do that your signups will be far less due to glitches)

[smutnut]

How's about shitty sponsors fucking their affiliates and doing bad business and just piss poor ass pathetic paysites that use the same content as others?

[RayBonga]

cross sales and too much competition.

No one seems to consider that today there are much more sites and active affiliates and that probably the rate of new surfers isn't keeping up.

off course tubes offering full vids are also a big part of the problem

[The Duck]

Originally Posted by smutnut

How's about shitty sponsors fucking their affiliates and doing bad business and just piss poor ass pathetic paysites that use the same content as others?

[Tam]

It's just time for the yearly enema is all. Every year, something comes up that cleans out the ones that aren't stong enough or aren't inventive enough to keep up with the changes of times..... so they drown in a sea of their own lack of creativity or lack of having the courage to make the needed changes to keep up with the changes in times.

A few years ago, everyone was saying how TGPs are killing the industry... then it was too much free porn, and now it is tube sites.

What's hurting it now, in my opinion is the economy...... I have heard of lots of people losing their net altogether just to be able to keep their houses and trimming what isn't "NEEDED" and the internet isn't a needed thing.

The economy WILL get better, and if you have what it takes to wade your way thru, you will survive it..... if you don't, then you are going to drown in it no matter what goes on in the economy or the industry.

There has always been talks of what is killing the industry...... NOTHING is going to KILL it... the economy will get better, as I said and it'll go back to being fine again. IF you have the strength and means to get thrut it, even with tube sites around, you will make it just fine.

I have been in this industry for 10 years and each and every year something happens to clean out the ones not strong enough to make it and this is the way it's doing it this year. LOL

We've had
TGPs
Free Porn
2257
Then, and I can't remember the name of it, but that thing that was attacking us on how we deliver movies, and I could kick myself, but can't remember the name of it.
Then for some companies, the tightening of the billing company rules and visa rules really made a mess for some.

Now you say it is Tube sites, which is an evolution to tube sites from free sites, tgps and other methods of getting free porn.

and the list of "excuses" goes on and on and on and on.....

What is a field today may be a river tomorrow and you better DAMN well learn how to swim or you are bound to drown in it.. one thing that is a fact, porn isn't going ANYWHERE.... it never has and it never will. It's like death and taxes, there is also porn. But are you going to learn to swim when the river rises, or are you going to drown trying to walk on the bottom? lol


In MY opinion, it's more the economy more than anything else we can dream up that it is and that WILL get better. May take a bit to get there, but it will get better and if you have it in you to do it, you'll survive it.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Tam

It's just time for the yearly enema is all. Every year, something comes up that cleans out the ones that aren't stong enough or aren't inventive enough to keep up with the changes of times..... so they drown in a sea of their own lack of creativity or lack of having the courage to make the needed changes to keep up with the changes in times.

A few years ago, everyone was saying how TGPs are killing the industry... then it was too much free porn, and now it is tube sites.

What's hurting it now, in my opinion is the economy...... I have heard of lots of people losing their net altogether just to be able to keep their houses and trimming what isn't "NEEDED" and the internet isn't a needed thing.

The economy WILL get better, and if you have what it takes to wade your way thru, you will survive it..... if you don't, then you are going to drown in it no matter what goes on in the economy or the industry.

There has always been talks of what is killing the industry...... NOTHING is going to KILL it... the economy will get better, as I said and it'll go back to being fine again. IF you have the strength and means to get thrut it, even with tube sites around, you will make it just fine.

I have been in this industry for 10 years and each and every year something happens to clean out the ones not strong enough to make it and this is the way it's doing it this year. LOL

We've had
TGPs
Free Porn
2257
Then, and I can't remember the name of it, but that thing that was attacking us on how we deliver movies, and I could kick myself, but can't remember the name of it.
Then for some companies, the tightening of the billing company rules and visa rules really made a mess for some.

Now you say it is Tube sites, which is an evolution to tube sites from free sites, tgps and other methods of getting free porn.

and the list of "excuses" goes on and on and on and on.....

What is a field today may be a river tomorrow and you better DAMN well learn how to swim or you are bound to drown in it.. one thing that is a fact, porn isn't going ANYWHERE.... it never has and it never will. It's like death and taxes, there is also porn. But are you going to learn to swim when the river rises, or are you going to drown trying to walk on the bottom? lol


In MY opinion, it's more the economy more than anything else we can dream up that it is and that WILL get better. May take a bit to get there, but it will get better and if you have it in you to do it, you'll survive it.

Well TGP's ever featured entire movies? When searching google and you came across a gallery at least it sent that money to somebody if that person joined, now you go to a complete movie (1000's of movies within the niche)

The music industry is fucked for many years now, before this economy trouble, again because you can download entire songs for free.

The issue obviously is a bit about economy but for everyone that jerks off for free its one less potential join, this is plain and simple.

[bdld]

it's the economy, when the tube craze started i didnt drop much, if at all, but now i'm seeing a big drop, starting in sept 08.

[mynameisjim]

It's a combo of both. The industry could weather one or the other, but not both.

People are still paying for entertainment, the whole country isn't broke. Look at video game sales, doing very good despite costing over $60 each and having about 10 hours of content. Look at the movie Twilight, not even a huge marketing blitz but making record money this weekend. People will still pay for what they want, but when they can get it for free, why bother.

If the movie Twilight was being streamed on the web the ticket sales would be less than half. Same with console video games, if you could get those as easy as you can watch a tube site, the whole industry would collapse. Nobody would pay.

What makes me laugh is that even if the smallest mainstream industry was dealing with tube sites, they would of done something by now. Formed a task force or a group, donated money to a legal fund, etc.

Adult is so full of losers though, nothing will happen. Tube sites will keep growing, eventually they will start making less money and the owners will start fucking over their own surfers (already starting to happen) and eventually they will destroy themselves. We'll have to see how things shake out after that.

[Tam]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Well TGP's ever featured entire movies? When searching google and you came across a gallery at least it sent that money to somebody if that person joined, now you go to a complete movie (1000's of movies within the niche)

The music industry is fucked for many years now, before this economy trouble, again because you can download entire songs for free.

The issue obviously is a bit about economy but for everyone that jerks off for free its one less potential join, this is plain and simple.

Yeah I get that, but the poor bastards that are going after the free thing, they have always been able to find it and chances are wouldn't be joining anything anyway.

I am not going to mention any sites by name or anything like that here. But as a Rep for a few programs, I can see the stats of people who run some of these tube sites everyone is freaking about, and with some of them, the sales ratios are better than any tgp I have seen. And I am not just saying this, I see it with my own two eyes. They ARE buying the porn, but these are the ones that would buy it anyway I think. The freeloaders are NOT going to pay for it whether it is a tube site, a tgp or hijacking password files and getting into it that way.... they just aren't going to pay for it at ALL.

Please don't ask me to post urls of this, I can't do it out of respect for privacy, I'll just tell you that I have plenty of tube site owners that do extremely well with the sales ratios on these sites.

NOW, having said that, the ones that post up full movies and such, and the full music tracks and so on, they have always been there, to some degree, and will always be there, and of course it hurts us to a degree, but I just don't see them as being a deal breaker right now like the economy is.. the numbers I am looking at just don't support that idea.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Tam

Yeah I get that, but the poor bastards that are going after the free thing, they have always been able to find it and chances are wouldn't be joining anything anyway.

I am not going to mention any sites by name or anything like that here. But as a Rep for a few programs, I can see the stats of people who run some of these tube sites everyone is freaking about, and with some of them, the sales ratios are better than any tgp I have seen. And I am not just saying this, I see it with my own two eyes. They ARE buying the porn, but these are the ones that would buy it anyway I think. The freeloaders are NOT going to pay for it whether it is a tube site, a tgp or hijacking password files and getting into it that way.... they just aren't going to pay for it at ALL.

Please don't ask me to post urls of this, I can't do it out of respect for privacy, I'll just tell you that I have plenty of tube site owners that do extremely well with the sales ratios on these sites.

NOW, having said that, the ones that post up full movies and such, and the full music tracks and so on, they have always been there, to some degree, and will always be there, and of course it hurts us to a degree, but I just don't see them as being a deal breaker right now like the economy is.. the numbers I am looking at just don't support that idea.

[Thurbs]

Originally Posted by bdld

it's the economy, when the tube craze started i didnt drop much, if at all, but now i'm seeing a big drop, starting in sept 08.

it's good to see a double digit per day guy share this info directly.

people really need to put this crisis into perspective :

insanely high unemployment rates, forecast says we're do for more job cuts, layoffs and downsizing

the one thing people thought they could save in, realty, is in the shitter with the financial instutions that made it possible in the shitter too. equity was something most americans banked on.

mutual funds, stocks portfolios, pensions not looking good either.

if this was only for the US could safely assume atleast 33-40% of the 75% porn market is therefore struggling in one way or the other.

would need to assume the avg porn buyer was buying when he had some capital reserve that was either steady or growing, not just maxing his card on porn. now the credit lines are decreasing and the light at the end of the tunnel isn't there yet.

people are now waiting for changes, policies from Washington, and the hope that Obama + DEMs will make it happen, but no one thinks its going to be overnight.

not exactly the market conditions we need to foster a heavy porn buyers market.

saving for the future or jerking off to free flash porn movies? it's a combo affect definitely fueled by the economy.

reasonable outlook for porn :

-- tubes will redefine what members want to some degreee, upgrades to members areas is going to be a must
-- expect more sales and consolidations from programs, fewer over the top or highly expensive sites to be launching as compared to say 06/07
-- affiliate market should consolidate some, eliminating those who rely solely on the sponsor, rewarding those who innovate and follow their trends to build traffic and promotion techniques to match changes to the market
-- more DVD content will be licensed to tubes with no restriction to feed the producers / studios
-- sales will rise again, first real big recession / turmoil that adult online is exposed too ( could be 1-2 years before significant rise )

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Thurbs is this economy affecting hahaha crew?

he went on a pretty big buying spree last year, is it hurting him today? or is he still kicking it strong?

[Thurbs]

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

Thurbs is this economy affecting hahaha crew?

he went on a pretty big buying spree last year, is it hurting him today? or is he still kicking it strong?

on what level?

business wise? no, not really. 1/3 of the programs are growing, 1/3 are steady, 1/3 have seen some declines. so I'd say all in all, we're weathering the storm. and that buying spree was this year and has continued. key to good business is diversification, scale and flexibility, all three things we do well, all three lead to profit.

none of which would be possible without our immensely strong active affiliate base.

look for more new sites, more announcements and changes

personal level? i think this has turned out to be one of the biggest years for most of our staff, again, thank the affiliates.