My tip to those running pantyhose or stocking sites

[Sarah_Jayne]

It is pretty basic too - pantyhose and stockings are not the same thing. If you are running a generic nylon site then fine but it is amazing to me how many sites calling themselves a stockings site or a pantyhose site don't appear to even know what they are.

[EscortBiz]

hahaha so very true many niches have this issue, sites called themselves bondage sites yet all they have is some girl getting spanked

[mona]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

It is pretty basic too - pantyhose and stockings are not the same thing. If you are running a generic nylon site then fine but it is amazing to me how many sites calling themselves a stockings site or a pantyhose site don't appear to even know what they are.

They gotta have a lady on board to set them straight!

[EscortBiz]

pantyhose







fishnet stockings - top part garter belt



regular stockings

[Barefootsies]

Agreed. When it comes to that micro niche, or feet in general, the assembly line porn dudes always get it wrong.

Pantyhose, stocking, vintage, fishnet, thigh high, reinforced, and so on and so on.

The stocking lovers WILL correct you, and if you do not know what you are doing, it's a complete turn off to the stocking/foot lover. So good luck for those thinking they can conquer it.

You'll need it.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Pantyhose isn't even a microniche..nor are stockings..they are fetishes which are separate from one another unless the fetish is for the nylon. There are then tons of micro niches within them both but they are each proper niches of their own.

As intense as the stocking guys are pantyhose surfers simply will not take stockings as an answer ..lol

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

pantyhose







fishnet stockings - top part garter belt



regular stockings

Those fake garter things with the fishnets are horrid things.

[Iron Fist]

Alright.. i'm guilty... ill revisit my stocking TGP and get it right this time.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Those fake garter things with the fishnets are horrid things.

I dont base my sites around what one person feels is right or wrong and def not what im into as I wont be the one joining my site, they key is to have variety.

Thats why new models, different clothing, ages, body types, hair color is important

[webgurl]

thanks soooooo much we been in the leg/stockings niche
for long time and u would be surprised how many people
dont know the difference between pantyhose and nylons/stockings.
I have a real stocking site on my program www.stockingstars.com no
hose there ;)

[TondaB]

So Sarah, are you into hose or stockings? ;)

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

I dont base my sites around what one person feels is right or wrong and def not what im into as I wont be the one joining my site, they key is to have variety.

Thats why new models, different clothing, ages, body types, hair color is important

Naw, your sites are great. I was just making a fashion comment..lol

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by TondaB

So Sarah, are you into hose or stockings? ;)

Pantyhose make me a lot more money than stockings. Personally I would rather wear jeans and not wear either but pantyhose for function, stockings for fun. Side note..in the UK pantyhose are called tights.

[alexchechs]

Thanks for the low down Sarah

[Speedy26]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

pantyhose

regular stockings

one set is sheer stockings, the other set is seamed stockings

[Big Red Machine]

I had a girl throw on stockings for a pantyhose site once cause she was supposed to bring them but "forgot", and thats all I had. I am always willing to learn and adapt...so I will not make that mistake again

[Michelle69]

Interesting thread. The pantyhose niche can be subdivided into many many niches and one that likes opaque pantyhose, might not like sheer pantyhose and the other way round. Even I get surpriesed sometimes by all the little details that are important to surfers and I thought I know pretty much about pantyhose fetish :-)

http://nylonmichelle.com -> pantyhose encasement fetish

Also, if you want to get some targeted traffic, have a look at my pantyhose top list http://top-pantyhose.com

Michelle

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Pantyhose isn't even a microniche..nor are stockings..they are fetishes which are separate from one another unless the fetish is for the nylon. There are then tons of micro niches within them both but they are each proper niches of their own.

As intense as the stocking guys are pantyhose surfers simply will not take stockings as an answer ..lol

You forgot this phrase toots....

"In your opinion"...

Typically the hierarchy is something like this

1. Foot Fetish (main fetish)
2. Legs (niche within a niche)
3. Feet (as you see each is a part of a bigger classification)
4. Foot Worship (at least how most of the industry would see it)
5. Stockings (which is why you find stocking/pantyhose on foot fetish sites)
6. Pantyhose (which also makes you wrong. Or more accurately, your opinion on the matter)

[Adult Insider Dave]

I was reading your post thinking "uhhhh duh, lame advice" but then got to thinking; although this is common sense to many of us you are correct, there are loads of dipshits that have no idea.

[Kudles]

So true!!!

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You forgot this phrase toots....

"In your opinion"...

Typically the hierarchy is something like this

1. Foot Fetish (main fetish)
2. Legs (niche within a niche)
3. Feet (as you see each is a part of a bigger classification)
4. Foot Worship (at least how most of the industry would see it)
5. Stockings (which is why you find stocking/pantyhose on foot fetish sites)
6. Pantyhose (which also makes you wrong. Or more accurately, your opinion on the matter)

Which is of course your opinion..they are all related but separate fetishes. There is a good deal of overlap because of the nature of them but people can have a fetish for pantyhose and not really be interested in the body part that it is covering. Just as people can be interested in feet or legs and not care about anything put on them. Micro niches are niches within niches..ie breaking them down to smaller parts of a bigger niche. So, foot fetish is a niche/fetish..pantyhose feet is a micro niche. Pantyhose is a niche/fetish and pantyhose feet are also a micro niche of that niche but both niches/fetishes that are completely separate from one another.

Not to mention that clinically (yeah, I study too much) they are different fetishes simply by the nature of the object/item the fetish is for. A body part fetish is classified differently then a texture or shape, fetish, for example.

So, yeah, I get your break down but they are different fetishes/niches that happen to overlap at parts AND when they do overlap the people from the perspective fetishes/niches are looking for different things out of the picture. A foot guy is primarily focused on the foot whereas a pantyhose guy is more interested in the pantyhose on the foot and what those pantyhose do to the foot when worn, etc.

I have spent WAY too much time researching the nature of fetishes and how they develop in the years I have been (slowly) writing my book and interviewing people who consider themselves to have fetishes. I feel like I should be drawing one of those circle diagrams with interlinking bits to demonstrate.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Adult Insider Dave

I was reading your post thinking "uhhhh duh, lame advice" but then got to thinking; although this is common sense to many of us you are correct, there are loads of dipshits that have no idea.

My initial post was born out of a day of collecting content from sponsors for a new project and continually having to pass up galleries that had stockings on them when saying they were a pantyhose site.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

It is pretty basic too - pantyhose and stockings are not the same thing. If you are running a generic nylon site then fine but it is amazing to me how many sites calling themselves a stockings site or a pantyhose site don't appear to even know what they are.

Yeah, or even if it's a generic nylon site, knowing the difference between 100% nylon versus cheap blends. Almost all the pics people post in hosiery threads here are of girls who've thrown on the cheapest possible pairs of thigh highs/stay-ups that don't really meet the quality standard for stocking fans or people who specifically want zippy, non-stretchy versus spandexy stuff. Better to call it hosiery or legwear rather than nylon if it's not 100%.

[jakethedog]

sooo ... this would be "Stockings" .. correct . ?

[Jim_Gunn]

I find neither pantyhose nor stockings sexy at all. But I still know the difference!

[Qbert]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

...clinically (yeah, I study too much) they are different fetishes simply by the nature of the object/item the fetish is for...

Well, if you really want to get clinical a fetish is a sexual fixation on an inanimate object. So, nylon, stockings, pantyhose would be fetishes while legs, feet, big tits, etc. are not.

In the non-clinical world we're dealing with selling porn, the animate vs inanimate difference is insignificant. The marketing is the same either way. Know what the surfer really wants and provide it.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

I have spent WAY too much time researching the nature of fetishes and how they develop in the years I have been (slowly) writing my book and interviewing people who consider themselves to have fetishes. I feel like I should be drawing one of those circle diagrams with interlinking bits to demonstrate.

WTF

I thought you were just a porn pusher. Not studying at Oxford. Fucking-A.

[NinjaSteve]

It's like saying High Heels or Sneakers. Sure they're both shoes, but completely different.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Qbert

Well, if you really want to get clinical a fetish is a sexual fixation on an inanimate object. So, nylon, stockings, pantyhose would be fetishes while legs, feet, big tits, etc. are not.

If that were true, why would it be called a "foot fetish"? I know it's just a matter of semantics, but still . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fetishism

"Body parts may also be the subject of sexual fetishes (also known as partialism) in which the body part preferred by the fetishist takes a sexual precedence over the owner."

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Side note..in the UK pantyhose are called tights.

On the continent too.

[Qbert]

Originally Posted by Trixie

If that were true, why would it be called a "foot fetish"? I know it's just a matter of semantics, but still . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fetishism

"Body parts may also be the subject of sexual fetishes (also known as partialism) in which the body part preferred by the fetishist takes a sexual precedence over the owner."

Yes, in terms of what we're doing as pornographers it's purely semantics. But the clinical (medical) definition is far more restrictive.

The clinical definition of sexual fetishism is a sexual disorder based on recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving the use of nonliving objects (e.g., underwear). It's considered a disorder when it causes distress or impairs life functioning. source

Sarah used the term clinically, and I wanted to clarify.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Qbert

Well, if you really want to get clinical a fetish is a sexual fixation on an inanimate object. So, nylon, stockings, pantyhose would be fetishes while legs, feet, big tits, etc. are not.

In the non-clinical world we're dealing with selling porn, the animate vs inanimate difference is insignificant. The marketing is the same either way. Know what the surfer really wants and provide it.

I thought going into paraphillias would be too much ;) A good chunk of what people list as 'fetish' isn't an actual fetish but is a paraphillia and that includes bondage, etc. All fetishes are paraphillias but not all paraphillias are fetishes.

However, as I have studied it, you can have a fetish for a body part but not a body part which is normally considered sexual. So, a person can have a fetish for feet but not breasts.

As I was taught, the classification of fetishes are broken down to:

Form Fetishes - Essentially, when somebody has a fetish level attraction to an object because of the shape of the item. So, high heel fetishists with a form fetish would be attracted to them due to the shape of the heels. This is why people with this sort of fetish often tend to be fixated on a particular make or brand of shoe because it has a unique shape/form.

Media Fetishes - These are fetishes for a material. So, with pantyhose that would be the nylon (or whatever they were made of) and the various aspects of that material from texture, smell, etc.

Partalism Fetish - This is the exception to the 'inanimate object' rule. This is when the focus of the fetish is on a body part that is not usually the focus of sexual attraction. So, again, breasts, penis, etc are normally considered sexual so you can't technically have a fetish for them but you can have a fetish for feet, hands, bellies, and whatever else.

But yeah..the point of the post was that pantyhose and stockings are different items of clothing.

[Sarah_Jayne]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fetishism - top paragraph:

"Body parts may also be the subject of sexual fetishes (also known as partialism) in which the body part preferred by the fetishist takes a sexual precedence over the owner."


Then the limited entry at - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partialism

"Partialism refers to a sexual interest with an exclusive focus of a specific part of the body.[1] Partialism is categorized as a paraphilia in the DSM-IV-TR of the American Psychiatric Association.[2] Individuals with partialism sometimes describe the anatomy of interest to them as having equal or greater erotic attraction for them as do the genitals.[3]

Partialism, such as for the foot, occurs both in heterosexual and homosexual individuals.[4][5]"


Partialism was taught to me as being a paraphilla group that falls under 'fetish' and they appear to agree. So, you can indeed have a clinical foot fetish and in fact, feet were the body part most often referred to in relation to partialism in my research. However, the whole area is very fluid and 'they' move things around in classification all the time. After all, homosexuality was on the list of clinical paraphillias until rather recently but now isn't.

[Cardinal_Sin]

It is unbelievable how often webmasters lump pantyhose/stockings/stay ups together -

The nylon stocking fetish is so different to what you see on 99% of pay sites and tgps -
Quite simply, if you are going to run a pay site - Learn what the target audience already knows - You can not fool him at any time -
If you are going to promote the fetish - Again, learn the fetish and understand what it is all about -

Or is it a simple case of 80$ per sign up - I'll have some of that - Sling up a few fhg and then move on to the next thing you know fuck all about? (And wonder why all that "highly targetted" niche traffic you get from cj sites will not convert very well)

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Cardinal_Sin

It is unbelievable how often webmasters lump pantyhose/stockings/stay ups together -

The nylon stocking fetish is so different to what you see on 99% of pay sites and tgps -
Quite simply, if you are going to run a pay site - Learn what the target audience already knows - You can not fool him at any time -
If you are going to promote the fetish - Again, learn the fetish and understand what it is all about -

Or is it a simple case of 80$ per sign up - I'll have some of that - Sling up a few fhg and then move on to the next thing you know fuck all about? (And wonder why all that "highly targetted" niche traffic you get from cj sites will not convert very well)

Yup and if you take the time and learn what a fetishist wants they are very loyal too so it is worth it.

[HorseShit]

good advice Sarah, truth is most of the people that run free sites and even some paysites are fucking retards

[Michelle69]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Yeah, or even if it's a generic nylon site, knowing the difference between 100% nylon versus cheap blends. Almost all the pics people post in hosiery threads here are of girls who've thrown on the cheapest possible pairs of thigh highs/stay-ups that don't really meet the quality standard for stocking fans or people who specifically want zippy, non-stretchy versus spandexy stuff. Better to call it hosiery or legwear rather than nylon if it's not 100%.

I agree completly. I have seen stayups or pantyhose on porn sites that not even my Grandma would wear. 1.99 $ stuff and you cant fool fetish lovers on this. This is the reason why I only use the best pantyhose you can buy for money. The most expensive one so far was at 150U$

[smax]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

I feel like I should be drawing one of those circle diagrams with interlinking bits to demonstrate.

I love flow charts!

[Blue Dood]

Perfect timing on this thread, I am just re-starting as a webmaster after a 6+ year break and got a few pantyhose / stockings domains I was planning to go with for one of my first projects. This makes me want to micro niche the sites.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by smax

I love flow charts!

Me too..I often have mental flow charts floating around in my head. Yes, I am a strange woman on many levels.

[Big Red Machine]

Sarah let me know when your book comes out. I have www.thepantyhosesite.com and I want to do it right. This thread has been helpfull....so Thanks

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Michelle69

I agree completly. I have seen stayups or pantyhose on porn sites that not even my Grandma would wear. 1.99 $ stuff and you cant fool fetish lovers on this. This is the reason why I only use the best pantyhose you can buy for money. The most expensive one so far was at 150U$

Mmmmm -- so hot and shiny! Love it . . .

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Pantyhose isn't even a microniche..nor are stockings..they are fetishes which are separate from one another unless the fetish is for the nylon. There are then tons of micro niches within them both but they are each proper niches of their own.

As intense as the stocking guys are pantyhose surfers simply will not take stockings as an answer ..lol

That is so true.

Pantyhose and Stockings guys are different.

We just recently released Naughty Footjobs: Pantyhose Pleasures

It was very hard to compile this video, only as you want to be true to the niche, but inorder to reach a larger audience, it can't just be about stockings.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

it can't just be about stockings.

Particularly as it has pantyhose in the title ;)

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Big Red Machine

Sarah let me know when your book comes out. I have www.thepantyhosesite.com and I want to do it right. This thread has been helpfull....so Thanks

Thanks..I put it to the back burner for a bit as life overtook me but I am back to working hard on it. Even if never actually gets published I want to have the accomplishment of finishing it. Plus, either way I have learned a ton which I have put back into my site work.

[Big Red Machine]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Thanks..I put it to the back burner for a bit as life overtook me but I am back to working hard on it. Even if never actually gets published I want to have the accomplishment of finishing it. Plus, either way I have learned a ton which I have put back into my site work.

I bought a book last year written by Jody Maxwell porn star/phone sex she keep a journal of all the calls and fantasys men had. I have to reference it alittle more, but anything from someone in the trenches is worth a read...it was called "My Private Calls"(someone will ask if I don't put the name...lol)
Best of Luck with your book

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Big Red Machine

I bought a book last year written by Jody Maxwell porn star/phone sex she keep a journal of all the calls and fantasys men had. I have to reference it alittle more, but anything from someone in the trenches is worth a read...it was called "My Private Calls"(someone will ask if I don't put the name...lol)
Best of Luck with your book

Thank you