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ThunderBalls · 11-07-2002, 01:45 PM

Just received this from Ibill:

Dear iBill Client

After further review by Visa regarding the new Internet Payment Service Provider regulations, you will no longer be required to pay the $750
registration fee. Visa regulations still necessitate iBill to register all of their sponsored merchants, making it mandatory for you to complete the registration from.

drunkdollars · 11-07-2002, 01:50 PM

Is that for foriegn accounts?

ThunderBalls · 11-07-2002, 01:54 PM

I am in the US, don't know what the deal is with foreign accounts.

Rictor · 11-07-2002, 01:56 PM

Eh? Now I'd like to hear that from CCBill.

UnseenWorld · 11-07-2002, 01:57 PM

I suspect the fact that Visa has been unable to force Globill to toe the line has had something to do with this. Go Globill!!!

kaylacam · 11-07-2002, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rictor
Eh? Now I'd like to hear that from CCBill.

CCBill is taking it out of the % they withhold from me...I actually did not have to front anything

kaylacam · 11-07-2002, 02:00 PM

I KNOW iBill has been hurting. I am a SMALL site who switched from iBill to CCBill 2 months ago and iBill called my HOUSE asking me NOT to drop them...all they were doing was my rebills...I am switching my rebills over to CCBill by offering them the same rebill rate (even if they were on the original price structure of $9.95) and the first cycle is 40 days then rebill at 30 days, so basically giving them a 10 day float period in exchange for re-signing up...

jimmyf · 11-07-2002, 02:00 PM

never mind

necoeds · 11-07-2002, 04:17 PM

Has anybody figured out what is going on? I already paid the fee, does this mean that i'll be getting my money back?

UnseenWorld · 11-07-2002, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by necoeds
Has anybody figured out what is going on? I already paid the fee, does this mean that i'll be getting my money back?

GOOD question!

gothweb · 11-07-2002, 04:25 PM

We have to wait the one-week delay between GFY post and official public announcement. Aren't you used to it?

directfiesta · 11-07-2002, 04:26 PM

WTF???

Does anybody knows anything aside from webmasters. I just finished setting up my "US presence" ( I should now be allowed to vore ......) and am preparing to fill out the Ibill registration. I am doing this mainly for my rebills....
I haven't heard from my Ibill representative ( Sylvia Perez, pleaaaase come on down...) for the past ... two years!!!!

They really stink, but let us know here what's up.

I will garbage an email to her tonight.

necoeds · 11-07-2002, 04:29 PM

So does anybody know if this is a legitimate message from ibill????

I just called the ibill support drones, and they didn't know what i was talking about

directfiesta · 11-07-2002, 04:38 PM

... as usual.

Kimmykim · 11-07-2002, 05:00 PM

It will be interesting to see just what starts happening on November 16th...

Shoplifter · 11-07-2002, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kaylacam
I KNOW iBill has been hurting. I am a SMALL site who switched from iBill to CCBill 2 months ago and iBill called my HOUSE asking me NOT to drop them...

I would be surprised if even 50% of webmasters at Ibill or any other biller make enough to make it worthwhile for them to pay the fee or jump through any hoops at all. Without making some concessions all the little guys and newbies will be gone.

If you take everyone who wont pay the fee, add all the guys who never heard they were supposed to register, and then add all the bogus accounts etc., I guarantee it is a sizeable hit on their business.

SunTzu · 11-07-2002, 06:14 PM

Yeah with the extremely short notice everyone had, I'm sure there's a ton of sites that haven't paid. Epoch and CCBill both offered to carry the 750. payment, with ccbill refunding via the processing fees.

Now Ibill says there's no fee..

And Probilling says "whoops" to the 24 hour downtime on processing.

WTF?!?

KingK7 · 11-07-2002, 06:16 PM

The 750 was deducted from payout on nov 1st for me.

necoeds · 11-07-2002, 06:19 PM

Yeah same for me.... damn it'd be nice to get that cash back...

Dax · 11-07-2002, 06:20 PM

I want to get that email !!!

All I have gotten from Ibill ( besides headaches ) is: If you do not pay and sign up, you will not have access to the CMI -which either way happens once a week- and your account will go on DO NOT PAY.

With that attitude, right..... I may stick with them!!

ThunderBalls · 11-07-2002, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by necoeds
So does anybody know if this is a legitimate message from ibill????

I hope it was legit, I received two of the emails because I have two accounts. Anyone else get one?
Looks legit to me, here is the complete email:

From: [email protected]
To: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Copies to:
Subject: ibill visa registration
Date sent: 7 Nov 2002 14:52:36 -0500

Dear iBill Client

After further review by Visa regarding the new Internet Payment Service Provider regulations, you will no longer be required to pay the $750 registration fee. Visa regulations still necessitate iBill to register all of their sponsored merchants, making it mandatory for you to complete the registration from. The URL for the registration form is
https://www.ibill.com/signup/re_signup_login.cfm
To access the form, you will need the following information:

This E-mail Address
Password: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sponsored Merchant ID: xxxxxxxx

Should you have any additional questions, please contact your iBill account manager or our client service team at [email protected] or call us at 866.424.5557 (US)/954-363-4931
(International). Thank you for all
of your patience and understanding.

The iBill Team

goddab mi · 11-07-2002, 06:40 PM

I am liking the typo. I am just learning English and see that "making it mandatory for you to complete the registration from." is wrong. From should be form, no? What is a registration from?

UnseenWorld · 11-07-2002, 07:29 PM

I'm thinking of that old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

rdunn404 · 11-07-2002, 07:34 PM

I haven't filled out the CCBill VISA reg info or elected to drop VISA either way yet. I guess procrastination could be the best policy in this case. Imma wait till the last day possible to register.

Fatbrain · 11-07-2002, 08:43 PM

Hmmm...It would be neat if Globill started this =)

Although I doubt it, even though the adult industry is a small slice of the visa pie it may have been a big enough one to prompt them to make a special deal with Ibill...As we have heard nothing from ccbill just yet and probilling seems to be having issue...Good thing I only have like 4 sales under probilling!

Nothin new seems to be happening at Globill

jimmyf · 11-07-2002, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fatbrain
Hmmm...It would be neat if Globill started this =)

Although I doubt it, even though the adult industry is a small slice of the visa pie it may have been a big enough one to prompt them to make a special deal with Ibill...As we have heard nothing from ccbill just yet and probilling seems to be having issue...Good thing I only have like 4 sales under probilling!

Nothin new seems to be happening at Globill

---------------------------------------------------------------
Shoplifter

I would be surprised if even 50% of webmasters at Ibill or any other biller make enough to make it worthwhile for them to pay the fee or jump through any hoops at all. Without making some concessions all the little guys and newbies will be gone.

If you take everyone who wont pay the fee, add all the guys who never heard they were supposed to register, and then add all the bogus accounts etc., I guarantee it is a sizeable hit on their business.
-----------------------------------------------------------
With the amount of business Visa does if you loose .2% of it... That's one hell of a lot of money. Visa is a business and in business to make money. Who knows what's going on, could be maybe they are thinking they went just a little 2 far... Think about it, say just 10,000 small webmaster's doing $100.00 per week every week quit the Porn Biz. I think it's called Cash Flow... and if your Cash Flow drops off... A public company has stock holders... Do you think *MOST* of the stock holders care how Visa makes it money *Fuck NO*. Look at AT&T one of the biggest Pron providers in the USA, and if you check I bet Farwell owns AT&T stock. You just don't talk about it.. It's other income..

media · 11-07-2002, 09:41 PM

Anyone hear anything on this?

I just got off the phone with a night shift ibill rep and he said that to his knowledge the fee is still in effect.. so this may be bullshit..

He suggested that I contact my account representative in the morning when they get in.. so we will see..

Media

Kimmykim · 11-07-2002, 09:49 PM

I would imagine that something in their db is out of whack, the fees are still supposed to be paid.

WendyB · 11-07-2002, 09:53 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jimmyf
[B]
---------------------------------------------------------------

If you take everyone who wont pay the fee, add all the guys who never heard they were supposed to register, and then add all the bogus accounts etc., I guarantee it is a sizeable hit on their business.
-----------------------------------------------------------
I agree.

The big problem in my opinion, is the iBill reps. I have a rep who i swear is on drugs, zooming high in the sky, everytime she opens her mouth.

It's amazing they (iBill) turn those cluelesss (reps) folks loose on us.

WendyB · 11-07-2002, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
WTF???

I just finished setting up my "US presence" ( I should now be allowed to vore ......) and am preparing to fill out the Ibill registration. I am doing this mainly for my rebills....
I haven't heard from my Ibill representative ( Sylvia Perez, pleaaaase come on down...) for the past ... two years!!!!

They really stink, but let us know here what's up.

I will garbage an email to her tonight.

Setting up your US Presence was a SMART move. I used a Firm in Las Vegas to do my corp, phone answering, biz license, and they provide me with contract corporate officers.

Where did you set up?
email me please [email protected]

[The Leader] · 11-07-2002, 10:26 PM

In case anyone hasn't realized yet, this thread is a joke. Ibill is still charging the $750.

Nautilus · 11-07-2002, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

I hope it was legit, I received two of the emails because I have two accounts. Anyone else get one?
Looks legit to me, here is the complete email:

From: [email protected]
To: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Copies to:
Subject: ibill visa registration
Date sent: 7 Nov 2002 14:52:36 -0500

Dear iBill Client

After further review by Visa regarding the new Internet Payment Service Provider regulations, you will no longer be required to pay the $750 registration fee. Visa regulations still necessitate iBill to register all of their sponsored merchants, making it mandatory for you to complete the registration from. The URL for the registration form is
https://www.ibill.com/signup/re_signup_login.cfm
To access the form, you will need the following information:

This E-mail Address
Password: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sponsored Merchant ID: xxxxxxxx

Should you have any additional questions, please contact your iBill account manager or our client service team at [email protected] or call us at 866.424.5557 (US)/954-363-4931
(International). Thank you for all
of your patience and understanding.

The iBill Team

Could it be that your account is big enough in ibill's opinion, and it suddenly strikes them that they make enough money off you in the processing fees to absorb VISA registration payment?

Sly_RJ · 11-07-2002, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by goddab mi
I am liking the typo. I am just learning English and see that "making it mandatory for you to complete the registration from." is wrong. From should be form, no? What is a registration from?

Haha. You're right. Was a typo.

Darren · 11-08-2002, 04:31 AM

CCBILL tolod me no fee needed, PSW said no fee. Globill no fee anyway!

I am uk webmaster

AcidMax · 11-08-2002, 06:01 AM

Right from the I-Bill CMI:

Quote:

Only US based merchants accepting VISA will be required to pay the registration fee at this time but all merchants are required to register.

Andy

iBill-Cathy · 11-08-2002, 09:41 AM

All, iBill is required by Visa to charge the $750 to all high risk sponsored merchants. Adult digital content is considered high risk by Visa. All non-high risk clients (non-adult digital content, tangible good merchants) are not required by Visa to pay the fee, but are rquired to register as a sponsored merchant.

Ludedude · 11-08-2002, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
All, iBill is required by Visa to charge the $750 to all high risk sponsored merchants. Adult digital content is considered high risk by Visa. All non-high risk clients (non-adult digital content, tangible good merchants) are not required by Visa to pay the fee, but are rquired to register as a sponsored merchant.

Oh dear...more half-truths from iBill. iBill is required by Visa to charge $500. The extra $250 was put there by "other entities" wanting to pad their pockets. That's why PayPal doesn't charge that extra $250 to take it up the ass.

salsbury · 11-08-2002, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
All, iBill is required by Visa to charge the $750 to all high risk sponsored merchants. Adult digital content is considered high risk by Visa. All non-high risk clients (non-adult digital content, tangible good merchants) are not required by Visa to pay the fee, but are rquired to register as a sponsored merchant.

so the original poster got the e-mail for a non-adult site?

ThunderBalls · 11-08-2002, 03:20 PM

I just spoke to Ibill and they told me that on non adult sites Visa has decided against the $750 fee.
My site may be considered adult by some although there is not any porn.

I have given Ibill a LOT of shit over the $750 fee, I didnt feel they were doing anything to hold onto their customers and the fact that I have processed over $700,000 with them didnt seem to matter. Maybe not a lot to them but its not pocket change either. When I told them I was going to use ccbill instead they said "Ok, but you are going to lose your rebills"...I said, yes, and so are you, and they said "nice doing business with you"... not very smart people in my opinion.

pine · 11-08-2002, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
All, iBill is required by Visa to charge the $750 to all high risk sponsored merchants. Adult digital content is considered high risk by Visa. All non-high risk clients (non-adult digital content, tangible good merchants) are not required by Visa to pay the fee, but are rquired to register as a sponsored merchant.

*If* what you say is true, then why am I seeing *this* statement when I log in to iBill CMI?!?

Quote:

Our records indicate you have not filled out the iBill-Visa registration form located at XXX.XXX.XXX/signup/re_signup_login.cfm It is important that all iBill merchants fill out this form. Only US based merchants accepting VISA will be required to pay the registration fee at this time but all merchants are required to register. In order to gain access to the CMI you must fill out the iBill - VISA registration form.

Explain. We are a subscription based adult website offereing nothing but downloads. Do you work for iBill? If you are the left hand, why do you not know what the right hand is doing?

11-07-2002, 01:45 PM	#1
ThunderBalls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mesosphere Posts: 2,926	Ibill canning registration fee? Just received this from Ibill: Dear iBill Client After further review by Visa regarding the new Internet Payment Service Provider regulations, you will no longer be required to pay the $750 registration fee. Visa regulations still necessitate iBill to register all of their sponsored merchants, making it mandatory for you to complete the registration from.

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11-07-2002, 01:57 PM	#5
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11-07-2002, 02:00 PM	#7
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11-07-2002, 01:54 PM	#3
ThunderBalls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mesosphere Posts: 2,926	I am in the US, don't know what the deal is with foreign accounts.

11-07-2002, 01:56 PM	#4
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Eh? Now I'd like to hear that from CCBill.

11-07-2002, 04:17 PM	#9
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11-07-2002, 04:26 PM	#12
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,677	WTF??? Does anybody knows anything aside from webmasters. I just finished setting up my "US presence" ( I should now be allowed to vore ......) and am preparing to fill out the Ibill registration. I am doing this mainly for my rebills.... I haven't heard from my Ibill representative ( Sylvia Perez, pleaaaase come on down...) for the past ... two years!!!! They really stink, but let us know here what's up. I will garbage an email to her tonight.

11-07-2002, 04:29 PM	#13
necoeds Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 2,453	So does anybody know if this is a legitimate message from ibill???? I just called the ibill support drones, and they didn't know what i was talking about __________________ Message me to promote nebraskacoeds + network sites...

11-07-2002, 04:38 PM	#14
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,677	... as usual.

11-07-2002, 05:00 PM	#15
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	It will be interesting to see just what starts happening on November 16th...

11-07-2002, 06:14 PM	#17
SunTzu Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: the box Posts: 456	Yeah with the extremely short notice everyone had, I'm sure there's a ton of sites that haven't paid. Epoch and CCBill both offered to carry the 750. payment, with ccbill refunding via the processing fees. Now Ibill says there's no fee.. And Probilling says "whoops" to the 24 hour downtime on processing. WTF?!?

11-07-2002, 06:16 PM	#18
KingK7 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 6,372	The 750 was deducted from payout on nov 1st for me.

11-07-2002, 06:19 PM	#19
necoeds Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 2,453	Yeah same for me.... damn it'd be nice to get that cash back... __________________ Message me to promote nebraskacoeds + network sites...

11-07-2002, 06:20 PM	#20
Dax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,161	I want to get that email !!! All I have gotten from Ibill ( besides headaches ) is: If you do not pay and sign up, you will not have access to the CMI -which either way happens once a week- and your account will go on DO NOT PAY. With that attitude, right..... I may stick with them!!

11-07-2002, 06:40 PM	#22
goddab mi Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Riga, Latvia Posts: 172	I am liking the typo. I am just learning English and see that "making it mandatory for you to complete the registration from." is wrong. From should be form, no? What is a registration from? __________________ <a href="http://www.lottodollars.com/index.php?account=goddabmi" target="_blank">this making me most wealthy man in all Latvia</a><br />

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11-07-2002, 07:34 PM	#24
rdunn404 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 999	I haven't filled out the CCBill VISA reg info or elected to drop VISA either way yet. I guess procrastination could be the best policy in this case. Imma wait till the last day possible to register.

11-07-2002, 08:43 PM	#25
Fatbrain Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 218	Hmmm...It would be neat if Globill started this =) Although I doubt it, even though the adult industry is a small slice of the visa pie it may have been a big enough one to prompt them to make a special deal with Ibill...As we have heard nothing from ccbill just yet and probilling seems to be having issue...Good thing I only have like 4 sales under probilling! Nothin new seems to be happening at Globill

11-07-2002, 09:41 PM	#27
media Confirmed Moneymaker Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Eugene, OR It's Like Jail, Only with Trees! Posts: 9,852	Anyone hear anything on this? I just got off the phone with a night shift ibill rep and he said that to his knowledge the fee is still in effect.. so this may be bullshit.. He suggested that I contact my account representative in the morning when they get in.. so we will see.. Media __________________ I'm here for the violence!

11-07-2002, 09:49 PM	#28
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	I would imagine that something in their db is out of whack, the fees are still supposed to be paid.

11-07-2002, 09:53 PM	#29
WendyB Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Woodinville Posts: 538	[QUOTE]Originally posted by jimmyf [B] --------------------------------------------------------------- If you take everyone who wont pay the fee, add all the guys who never heard they were supposed to register, and then add all the bogus accounts etc., I guarantee it is a sizeable hit on their business. ----------------------------------------------------------- I agree. The big problem in my opinion, is the iBill reps. I have a rep who i swear is on drugs, zooming high in the sky, everytime she opens her mouth. It's amazing they (iBill) turn those cluelesss (reps) folks loose on us. __________________ An act of kindness is a wonderful gift

11-07-2002, 10:26 PM	#31
[The Leader] Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Van City Posts: 1,026	In case anyone hasn't realized yet, this thread is a joke. Ibill is still charging the $750.

11-08-2002, 04:31 AM	#34
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11-08-2002, 09:41 AM	#36
iBill-Cathy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 61	All, iBill is required by Visa to charge the $750 to all high risk sponsored merchants. Adult digital content is considered high risk by Visa. All non-high risk clients (non-adult digital content, tangible good merchants) are not required by Visa to pay the fee, but are rquired to register as a sponsored merchant.

11-08-2002, 03:20 PM	#39
ThunderBalls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mesosphere Posts: 2,926	I just spoke to Ibill and they told me that on non adult sites Visa has decided against the $750 fee. My site may be considered adult by some although there is not any porn. I have given Ibill a LOT of shit over the $750 fee, I didnt feel they were doing anything to hold onto their customers and the fact that I have processed over $700,000 with them didnt seem to matter. Maybe not a lot to them but its not pocket change either. When I told them I was going to use ccbill instead they said "Ok, but you are going to lose your rebills"...I said, yes, and so are you, and they said "nice doing business with you"... not very smart people in my opinion.