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baddog · 11-07-2008, 05:55 PM

Prop 2 passed as well. I can't believe the tree huggers in this state.

I blame it on the influx of people from elsewhere voting. I think State measures should only be voted on by natives. If you moved here fine, not much we can do to keep you out, but please leave our politics alone.

Fletch XXX · 11-07-2008, 06:01 PM

6 years till they have to comply with prop 2 though

PurrrsianPussyKat · 11-07-2008, 06:06 PM

So putting a chicken in a tiny cage and chopping off his beak so he doesn't poke his neighbor chicken, is ok with you?

Wouldn't you rather see a bunch of them in a farm yard scratching for corn? Seems like a much better life before we cook them and rip the meat off their bones. lol

SomeCreep · 11-07-2008, 06:08 PM

Religion still has enough people believing homosexuals are not equal to heterosexuals and therefore should not have the same human rights.

baddog · 11-07-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

So putting a chicken in a tiny cage and chopping off his beak so he doesn't poke his neighbor chicken, is ok with you?

Wouldn't you rather see a bunch of them in a farm yard scratching for corn? Seems like a much better life before we cook them and rip the meat off their bones. lol

If you want to rely on farms that have enough room to let chickens scratch around looking for corn the price of chicken is going to go thru the roof. You can already count on a price hike as a result of this stupid measure.

Oh, I don't eat chicken beaks, so I could not really care if they chop them off or not.

PurrrsianPussyKat · 11-07-2008, 06:13 PM

lol I knew you wouldn't see the humor. Not everyone is attacking you, ya know. ;)

baddog · 11-07-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Religion still has enough people believing homosexuals are not equal to heterosexuals and therefore should not have the same human rights.

But chickens should?

baddog · 11-07-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

lol I knew you wouldn't see the humor. Not everyone is attacking you, ya know. ;)

I did not feel attacked, but I am sure your faux argument for Prop 2 is probably the mindset of many tree huggers, so I am addressing those that feel that way.

PurrrsianPussyKat · 11-07-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

But chickens should?

Of course! Beak free homosexual chickens should be allowed to share the same cage!

PurrrsianPussyKat · 11-07-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I did not feel attacked, but I am sure your faux argument for Prop 2 is probably the mindset of many tree huggers, so I am addressing those that feel that way.

They don't eat chickens anyway. They eat tofurkey!

baddog · 11-07-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

They don't eat chickens anyway. They eat tofurkey!

Good point.

sortie · 11-07-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

If you want to rely on farms that have enough room to let chickens scratch around looking for corn the price of chicken is going to go thru the roof. You can already count on a price hike as a result of this stupid measure.

Oh, I don't eat chicken beaks, so I could not really care if they chop them off or not.

You say that as if you do KFC everyday or something.

Actually it could make the price go down.
Harder rules on animal treatment will make small producers more competitive with
bigger corps. Meaning more smaller guys doing start ups.

Sly · 11-07-2008, 06:22 PM

What is Prop 2?

Sometimes I think it would be better if we split up into 50 countries...

baddog · 11-07-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

You say that as if you do KFC everyday or something.

Just because you only frequent fast food establishments doesn't mean the rest of us do.

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Actually it could make the price go down.
Harder rules on animal treatment will make small producers more competitive with
bigger corps. Meaning more smaller guys doing start ups.

Right. Cut down on the ability to mass produce them. Make it more labor intensive to raise them. That should help.

pocketkangaroo · 11-07-2008, 07:17 PM

How is opposing animal cruelty some kind of hippie tree hugging? There are a lot of companies that offer cage free eggs that are priced just as cheap. In any event, I'll pay an extra dime for my eggs if it means we aren't torturing animals.

Everyone should buy cage free eggs anyway in my opinion. They are in every grocery store.

moeloubani · 11-07-2008, 07:22 PM

i dont think people understand that humans are the only creatures that aren't happy with just the basic necessities of life

chickens dont care if theyre in a cage as long as they have food and water and get their eggs fertilized then they are A ok

its not like a person that longs for the outside world, misses their chums and wants a home cooked meal

its a chicken

baddog · 11-07-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

i dont think people understand that humans are the only creatures that aren't happy with just the basic necessities of life

chickens dont care if theyre in a cage as long as they have food and water and get their eggs fertilized then they are A ok

its not like a person that longs for the outside world, misses their chums and wants a home cooked meal

its a chicken

Apparently it is torture if they don't get yard time and a color TV with basic cable.

Brujah · 11-07-2008, 07:27 PM

AaliyahLove · 11-07-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Prop 2 passed as well. I can't believe the tree huggers in this state.

I blame it on the influx of people from elsewhere voting. I think State measures should only be voted on by natives. If you moved here fine, not much we can do to keep you out, but please leave our politics alone.

I voted for gay rights and animal rights and got 1/2 so far..

darnit · 11-07-2008, 08:17 PM

d-null · 11-07-2008, 08:21 PM

I eat free-range or organic all the time and it is barely more expensive than the antibiotic hormone filled birds.

we need to be responsible when it comes to unnecessary cruelty, we have the power to make the decisions, most people don't want to see the cruelty that their choices cause

d-null · 11-07-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

i dont think people understand that humans are the only creatures that aren't happy with just the basic necessities of life.....

you say that like you actually believe yourself

think about it and open your mind to other possibilities for a change, you are so wrong and state it so matter of factly that it amazes me

have you ever watched animals play? have you ever seen animals grieve at the loss of a friend or partner? there are so many more examples I could bring up......

AmeliaG · 11-07-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

If you want to rely on farms that have enough room to let chickens scratch around looking for corn the price of chicken is going to go thru the roof. You can already count on a price hike as a result of this stupid measure.

Oh, I don't eat chicken beaks, so I could not really care if they chop them off or not.

I already pay more to eat all free range and organic. Voted YES on helping animals and NO on discriminating against homosexuals. Guess I'm just a typical tree hugger.

MikeSmoke · 11-07-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Prop 2 passed as well. I can't believe the tree huggers in this state.

I blame it on the influx of people from elsewhere voting. I think State measures should only be voted on by natives. If you moved here fine, not much we can do to keep you out, but please leave our politics alone.

What if we moved here almost ten years ago from another blue state (that incidentally, DOES allow gay marriage and just decriminalized possession) --- is there a statute of limitations?

moeloubani · 11-07-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

you say that like you actually believe yourself

think about it and open your mind to other possibilities for a change, you are so wrong and state it so matter of factly that it amazes me

have you ever watched animals play? have you ever seen animals grieve at the loss of a friend or partner? there are so many more examples I could bring up......

i know i know and its hard not to relate those scenarios with human feelings and they are very similar, however the difference is a huge difference and thats the ability to self reflect on those feelings

a dog in pain doesnt realize hes the one in pain, it just feels pain and jumps away

at an early age little kids are the same way - they dont have feelings the same way me and you do and its not until they are self aware and able to reflect on themselves that things like feelings and consciously recallable memory start to happen

StickyGreen · 11-07-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I blame it on the influx of people from elsewhere voting. I think State measures should only be voted on by natives. If you moved here fine, not much we can do to keep you out, but please leave our politics alone.

That statement is just so fucking retarded I don't even know where to start dissecting it... so fuck it lol...

Baddog the "true California native!" lol... he was chillin here the whole time with his Indian tribe friends back in the day....

cherrylula · 11-07-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

I eat free-range or organic all the time and it is barely more expensive than the antibiotic hormone filled birds.

we need to be responsible when it comes to unnecessary cruelty, we have the power to make the decisions, most people don't want to see the cruelty that their choices cause

go veg

cherrylula · 11-07-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

What is Prop 2?

Sometimes I think it would be better if we split up into 50 countries...

http://www.yesonprop2.com/

baddog · 11-07-2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

have you ever watched animals play? have you ever seen animals grieve at the loss of a friend or partner? there are so many more examples I could bring up......

Yeah, show me a picture of a chicken playing or grieving. How about a cow?

baddog · 11-07-2008, 09:42 PM

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What if we moved here almost ten years ago from another blue state (that incidentally, DOES allow gay marriage and just decriminalized possession) --- is there a statute of limitations?

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. We don't have common law marriage either.

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That statement is just so fucking retarded I don't even know where to start dissecting it... so fuck it lol...

Baddog the "true California native!" lol... he was chillin here the whole time with his Indian tribe friends back in the day....

Are you that stoned that you do not know what it means to be a native of a state or did you move so many times you do not know where you are from?

For the record, I am 5th generation Californian. My family helped settle this state.

Warren · 11-07-2008, 09:55 PM

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Yeah, show me a picture of a chicken playing or grieving. How about a cow?

Not cows, but pretty close

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

AaliyahLove · 11-07-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren

Not cows, but pretty close

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

WOW Warren that vid was pretty cool

I bookmarked it

BadDog, I love you bunches but I can't believe the argument you are trying to make here and it makes me sad that people still have such primitive thoughts about animals and their rights.

pocketkangaroo · 11-07-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

i dont think people understand that humans are the only creatures that aren't happy with just the basic necessities of life

chickens dont care if theyre in a cage as long as they have food and water and get their eggs fertilized then they are A ok

its not like a person that longs for the outside world, misses their chums and wants a home cooked meal

its a chicken

Chickens don't have pain receptors in their body? They don't suffer immense stress from not being able to perform natural functions? I think you underestimate the mental capacity of these animals. They are not zombies.

baddog · 11-07-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren

Not cows, but pretty close

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

Okay, you have proven that lions and crocodiles like to play tug-of-war, and lions will win.

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WOW Warren that vid was pretty cool

I bookmarked it

BadDog, I love you bunches but I can't believe the argument you are trying to make here and it makes me sad that people still have such primitive thoughts about animals and their rights.

Are you a vegan or something?

Warren · 11-07-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Okay, you have proven that lions and crocodiles like to play tug-of-war, and lions will win.

Are you a vegan or something?

Ok so they won the tug of war, but not there dinner.

baddog · 11-07-2008, 10:20 PM

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But the lions did not win that time.

Well, they lost against the buffalo, but they seemed to have beaten the croc . . . unless some GFYer wants us to presume that the croc and buffalo thought up a game plan where the croc distracted the lions long enough for the buffalo to mount an attack.

Warren · 11-07-2008, 10:23 PM

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Well, they lost against the buffalo, but they seemed to have beaten the croc . . . unless some GFYer wants us to presume that the croc and buffalo thought up a game plan where the croc distracted the lions long enough for the buffalo to mount an attack.

Too slow, you got me, get back on topic lol.

d-null · 11-07-2008, 10:32 PM

some humans are arrogant to believe that they are the only species in this world that feels

we are more similar than many of you care to believe in your arrogant superiority complex

just because an animal doesn't do mathematics like we do doesn't mean it doesn't have emotions.... they are self aware, whether you want to believe it or not.

baddog · 11-07-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

some humans are arrogant to believe that they are the only species in this world that feels

we are more similar than many of you care to believe in your arrogant superiority complex

just because an animal doesn't do mathematics like we do doesn't mean it doesn't have emotions.... they are self aware, whether you want to believe it or not.

Really? What emotions does a chicken feel?

Brujah · 11-07-2008, 11:01 PM

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MikeSmoke · 11-07-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. We don't have common law marriage either.

So let me understand your logic --- when my daughter is 18, she CAN vote here because she was born here --- but even though I will have lived here 8 years longer than her (and will have paid 26 years of California property taxes to help pay for her education), I still CAN'T vote here?

baddog · 11-07-2008, 11:07 PM

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So let me understand your logic --- when my daughter is 18, she CAN vote here because she was born here --- but even though I will have lived here 8 years longer than her (and will have paid 26 years of California property taxes to help pay for her education), I still CAN'T vote here?

moeloubani · 11-07-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

some humans are arrogant to believe that they are the only species in this world that feels

we are more similar than many of you care to believe in your arrogant superiority complex

just because an animal doesn't do mathematics like we do doesn't mean it doesn't have emotions.... they are self aware, whether you want to believe it or not.

superiority complex? its a fucking chicken dude...the day i give a chicken the same rights as me is the day i use my dick to hang myself

its a fucking chicken. whether YOU want to believe it or not animals can't look at themselves and reflect about their day. they don't have that.

yes, they are zombies. exactly, that's what an animal is.

it might be hard for you to think that some tiny little dog thats oh so cute is just crying because he misses his mom, but in reality he has no choice - he has to cry because thats what evolution has put in him as a stay alive mechanism.

sure an animal KNOWS it in a cage but an animal doesn't think to itself 'fuck, this is a fucking horrible cage' it just does whatever it can in that cage. But it doesnt get upset or anything as long as its essential needs aren't covered in which case it will react through instinct, not feelings.

What about spiders, do they have feelings too? And ants? And bacteria? We shouldn't throw out food because there might be bacteria on it!! We can't have walls because we will trap mold and make it sad!! Give me a fucking break dude. There is only one creature on earth with feelings and that is humans. Anything else is instinct.

11-08-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

i know i know and its hard not to relate those scenarios with human feelings and they are very similar, however the difference is a huge difference and thats the ability to self reflect on those feelings

a dog in pain doesnt realize hes the one in pain, it just feels pain and jumps away

at an early age little kids are the same way - they dont have feelings the same way me and you do and its not until they are self aware and able to reflect on themselves that things like feelings and consciously recallable memory start to happen

Are you high? Dogs does realize when they are in pain. I have a German Shepherd with Arthritis and believe me, she knows what pain is. How do dogs and children not have feelings like adults? Children are very self aware and they do reflect on themselves.

AaliyahLove · 11-08-2008, 12:04 AM

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Okay, you have proven that lions and crocodiles like to play tug-of-war, and lions will win.

Are you a vegan or something?

I have been a vege for 13 years hun

with the exception of fish, which I started eatting a couple years ago..but do you really think that animals don't have feelings and shouldn't be treated with compassion BadDog or are you just tryin to piss some GFYers off??? Have you ever owned a dog?

I agree its fucking lame and unfair that prop 8 didn't get passed, but giving animals rights doesn't take away from human rights at all.. which is why like when someone on here tries to do a compassionate thing and try to save a poor suffering dog and people jump all over her with "people are starving in africa and you try to save a stupid dog" comments, they end up looking just unnecessarily mean and ignorant. Dontcha think?

11-08-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by d-null

some humans are arrogant to believe that they are the only species in this world that feels

we are more similar than many of you care to believe in your arrogant superiority complex

just because an animal doesn't do mathematics like we do doesn't mean it doesn't have emotions.... they are self aware, whether you want to believe it or not.

Nice post.

AaliyahLove · 11-08-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Really? What emotions does a chicken feel?

Chickens that have their beaks cut off and are confined in cages 20x deep with shit dripping on them all day and not enough room to stretch out feel pain and sadness, I guarantee you..
My dog gets very sad if I ignore him or don't walk him enough and he tears my shit apart to show me that.. and he gets very happy when I bring him to the dogpark and he gets to sniff a buncha dog's asses and play in the mud..
Pigs are very intelligent and you can train them to do tricks n stuff just like a dog..

http://blog.peta.org/archives/chickens/

yep I linked to PETA on GFY. go ahead, flame me, I don't care LOL

baddog · 11-08-2008, 12:34 AM

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I have been a vege for 13 years hun

with the exception of fish, which I started eatting a couple years ago..but do you really think that animals don't have feelings and shouldn't be treated with compassion BadDog or are you just tryin to piss some GFYers off??? Have you ever owned a dog?

So you are a vegetarian, not a vegan, right? Big difference. A chicken that is raised to be slaughtered does not have feelings and it should not be treated with compassion.

In case you think that was a typo, a chicken that is raised to be slaughtered does not have feelings and it should not be treated with compassion. It should be fed, killed, plucked, washed, packed and sold. That's it. It's sole purpose on this earth is to be eaten. Nothing more.

And personally, I am glad they are there because I really would not have to run around chasing them if they were wild.

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I agree its fucking lame and unfair that prop 8 didn't get passed, but giving animals rights doesn't take away from human rights at all.. which is why like when someone on here tries to do a compassionate thing and try to save a poor suffering dog and people jump all over her with "people are starving in africa and you try to save a stupid dog" comments, they end up looking just unnecessarily mean and ignorant. Dontcha think?

I had to edit my original response.. But no, my dog and I enjoy each others company but I do not love him any more than he loves me. I am the pack leader, It has zero to do with emotion.

He greets me with the same enthusiasm he greets his buddies at the park. I don't think he loves them . . . . does he?

baddog · 11-08-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AaliyahLove

Chickens that have their beaks cut off and are confined in cages 20x deep with shit dripping on them all day and not enough room to stretch out feel pain and sadness, I guarantee you..
My dog gets very sad if I ignore him or don't walk him enough and he tears my shit apart to show me that.. and he gets very happy when I bring him to the dogpark and he gets to sniff a buncha dog's asses and play in the mud..
Pigs are very intelligent and you can train them to do tricks n stuff just like a dog..

http://blog.peta.org/archives/chickens/

yep I linked to PETA on GFY. go ahead, flame me, I don't care LOL

I'm sorry, maybe I am reading too much into this. Are you a supporter of PETA?

d-null · 11-08-2008, 01:38 AM

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....... It's sole purpose on this earth is to be eaten. Nothing more.

who decided this 'sole purpose' thing you speak of? What is your purpose on earth? just curious

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I had to edit my original response.. But no, my dog and I enjoy each others company but I do not love him any more than he loves me. I am the pack leader, It has zero to do with emotion.

you must be pretty cold hearted (or I really think you might be in denial) if you say you do not love your dog nor he loves you, but regardless in the context of this discussion, this shouldn't be a yardstick to decide whether cruelty should be fine or not...

but anyways, alluding to another off-base point made in this thread about animals being robots, your dog is not a robot...

anyone that has spent time raising a family of puppies will see the individuality of the dogs, each puppy has it's own personality, some shy, some brave, but they are definitely individuals and not robots

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