WebsiteBilling Pty Ltd Don't Pay - GoFuckYourself.com

pentae · 11-05-2002, 05:39 PM

Website billing dont pay.

greentea · 11-05-2002, 05:39 PM

Explain

Bobo · 11-05-2002, 05:41 PM

If you're going to make that kind of accusation do some explaining. That's a pretty serious claim.

Brown Bear · 11-05-2002, 05:41 PM

Explain

pentae · 11-05-2002, 05:41 PM

It's really not all that complicated.

I have set up two different companies with WSB over the last 8 months, and neither have received their money, regardless of sending them an email every day.

Naughtyandlive in particular is owed a fair amount of cash, because we had to switch to them for 24 hours because our merchant was down.

mrthumbs · 11-05-2002, 05:41 PM

Ibill doesnt pay

mrthumbs · 11-05-2002, 05:42 PM

ccbill doesnt pay

pentae · 11-05-2002, 05:43 PM

No check, no wire, no interest on their part.

redshift · 11-05-2002, 05:45 PM

Ok now tell us the "rest of the story"

pentae · 11-05-2002, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs
Ibill doesnt pay

Ibill have been paying me for years.

If you people want the gory details, they only owe us a small amount, as they have been a backup processor.. between both companies it would be about $3,500usd.

Both are entirely seperate entities. They havent sent us shit. I've even left it in the hands of my accountant who is calling them and emailing them, they keep saying they will pay us but they dont.

Penrod · 11-05-2002, 05:47 PM

Why don't you call and ask for the owner. We have been dealing with WSB for years and have never had a single problem. I call BULLSHIT!

Asthma · 11-05-2002, 05:47 PM

they never have been late on payments to collegefuckfest.com

mrthumbs · 11-05-2002, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pentae

If you people want the gory details, they only owe us a small amount, as they have been a backup processor.. between both companies it would be about $3,500usd.

I want the gory details: not your claim on how much they owe you..

I cant imagine WSB simply NOT paying you the 3500 and
ignoring all your communication efforts...if it was
$35.000 or $350.. yes.......
there's got the be another side...what-o-what......

pentae · 11-05-2002, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Penrod
Why don't you call and ask for the owner. We have been dealing with them for years and have never had a single problem. I call BULLSHIT!

You call bullshit? heh.

Maybe they only pay stupid yanks like yourself? I dont know, you tell me. I've called the owner, Rick Rodriguez myself. He told me he'd look into it.

Why the fuck would I make something like this up? I assumed they'd pay, I just got tired of waiting after a few months of not seeing any action. Don't be a lamer.

pentae · 11-05-2002, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs

I want the gory details: not your claim on how much they owe you..

I cant imagine WSB simply NOT paying you the 3500 and
ignoring all your communication efforts...if it was
$35.000 or $350.. yes.......
there's got the be another side...what-o-what......

Yeah, I cant really understand it myself.

mrthumbs · 11-05-2002, 05:56 PM

that penrod/pentae thing we've got here goin' confuses me..

some_idiot · 11-05-2002, 05:56 PM

Got my check...

You do know there's a hold period right???

pentae · 11-05-2002, 05:57 PM

Anyway, whatever. They can keep the money.

We just won't be using them anymore. I also find it interesting that they have dicked me on these two seperate ocassions for different companies.

I could understand if the payment information wasnt correct for one, but 2 out of 2 is far too suspicious. After waiting for months and months, and my accountant is emailing them every day, why shouldnt I start a thread to see if other people, Australians in particular, are having these problems.

Fletch XXX · 11-05-2002, 05:58 PM

Mine cash the same as always.

;)

mrthumbs · 11-05-2002, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pentae
Australians in particular, are having these problems.

Ahhhhhhhh... the real issue starts to surface!!!

But seriously: why bring this up if you already decided
'they can keep the money'.

WSB had/has a pretty good name in my book (not using them
though) so now you've brought this up.. i wanna see
some details and proof..

juicybucks · 11-05-2002, 06:01 PM

pentae is correct, he's not bullshitting at all guys, it's wierd they seem to have missed it in the pipeline somewhere ....

pentae · 11-05-2002, 06:01 PM

Yeah, I realise theres a holdback. We stopped sending traffic about 2 months ago.

I feel i've given them a fairly considerable length of time to pay us our money we made for them. Maybe they dont know how to pay anyone outside of the USA.

pentae · 11-05-2002, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicybucks
pentae is correct, he's not bullshitting at all guys, it's wierd they seem to have missed it in the pipeline somewhere ....

Hey Scott,

big poster, eh?

juicybucks · 11-05-2002, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pentae

Hey Scott,

big poster, eh?

yeah man, you can tell I don't exactly hang on this board

we have our own board remember

just thought if these knobs were going to call you a liar , maybe you needed somebackup ! They fail to see that you have no reason to bullshit about it

some_idiot · 11-05-2002, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pentae
Yeah, I realise theres a holdback. We stopped sending traffic about 2 months ago.

I feel i've given them a fairly considerable length of time to pay us our money we made for them. Maybe they dont know how to pay anyone outside of the USA.

Most of the time is 6 months and $XX to release...
Give it 6 months, then it's court time.

You're still too soon bring it to a public forum, you haven't
been ripped off by U.S. law yet. You're just stuck in
accountant hell.

pentae · 11-05-2002, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by some_idiot

Most of the time is 6 months and $XX to release...
Give it 6 months, then it's court time.

You're still too soon bring it to a public forum, you haven't
been ripped off by U.S. law yet. You're just stuck in
accountant hell.

Hey your not such an idiot after all!

this ones for the haters..

Penrod · 11-05-2002, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs
that penrod/pentae thing we've got here goin' confuses me..

All I know is Penrod is my given name.

Loch · 11-05-2002, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by some_idiot

Most of the time is 6 months and $XX to release...
Give it 6 months, then it's court time.

You're still too soon bring it to a public forum, you haven't
been ripped off by U.S. law yet. You're just stuck in
accountant hell.

Why the fuck should he wait till court time???????????
No reason for that, personally i would have gone public allot sooner......2 months is still fucking somone mkay.

This thread (because only 2 months) does not say that wsb fuck over their customers...for now it just tells that they are slow or have NO customer service what so ever.

I have personal felt their lack of comunication, but i delt with it.

SunTzu · 11-05-2002, 06:30 PM

Most processors as stated in their contracts, have the option of holding your money for 6 months if you aren't sending them sales anymore.

It sucks, but you have no reason to bitch yet.

pentae · 11-05-2002, 06:33 PM

Actually SunTzu, thats bullshit.

Regardless of whether thats the case, they should notify us. Lets not forget that the processer isnt doing me any favours, they arent paying the girls' wages every week.

If we said to our girls "Sorry ladies, our credit card processor has held our payment back a few months, no pay till then", do you think thats a way to run a business? Get the fuck out of here.

UnseenWorld · 11-05-2002, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Penrod
Why don't you call and ask for the owner. We have been dealing with WSB for years and have never had a single problem. I call BULLSHIT!

I'm getting tired of these guys coming on and saying this or that billing co. doesn't pay. I've got to wonder why so many others don't have the problems they say they have.

pentae · 11-05-2002, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UnseenWorld

I'm getting tired of these guys coming on and saying this or that billing co. doesn't pay. I've got to wonder why so many others don't have the problems they say they have.

Maybe our sites arent professional enough.

SunTzu · 11-05-2002, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pentae
Actually SunTzu, thats bullshit.

Regardless of whether thats the case, they should notify us. Lets not forget that the processer isnt doing me any favours, they arent paying the girls' wages every week.

If we said to our girls "Sorry ladies, our credit card processor has held our payment back a few months, no pay till then", do you think thats a way to run a business? Get the fuck out of here.

I agree that they should notify you first...

That said, you're the one responsible for not knowing the rules of the game. And also responsible for having enough funds on hand to pay your employees if you're going to change processors. I'm not saying I like the clause of holding funds, but I make sure I know about it when I signed up.

pentae · 11-05-2002, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SunTzu

I agree that they should notify you first...

That said, you're the one responsible for not knowing the rules of the game. And also responsible for having enough funds on hand to pay your employees if you're going to change processors. I'm not saying I like the clause of holding funds, but I make sure I know about it when I signed up.

I agree with you. But I dont agree with the slant your taking.. where its 'okay for them not to talk to me, or pay me, because theres a small line in the contract saying they can hold my funds for 6 months if the sales stop'

Want to know why that clause is there? Chargebacks.

Want to know why I think thats bullshit, and at the same reason, WHY you shouldnt be using this in their defence? Because our site actually delivers the product the surfer pays for.

We're not running a scat site or an animal site here. We are very upfront with rebills, simply take a look at our join page.. its a first in the industry.

We also deliver what was promised in the members area.

So why the hell should a two-bit company like WSB not pay us our money? I'll tell you why. They are only interested in the people using them as their primary processor. Everyone else they dick. Same thing happened at my other program, which, by the way, we signed up with over a year ago as our secondary processor.. havent seen a dime.

And regarding us paying girls wages and so forth, I agree that we should be responsible for that. The same way WSB as a processor should be responsible for paying the hand that feeds THEM.

hyper · 11-05-2002, 07:38 PM

you should get paid.. plain and simple.
there is no reason for this if you have not broken any terms

send THEM a bill and charge them interest for every month they dont pay you

and hire an attorney you can get 3 times the amount they owe you if you sue them

SpeakEasy · 11-05-2002, 08:09 PM

Hey is porn Legal to operate in Australia??, I was under the assumption is was not???

SpeakEasy · 11-06-2002, 02:03 PM

Well ???? Nobody knows the answer ??

bawdy · 11-06-2002, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SpeakEasy
Hey is porn Legal to operate in Australia??, I was under the assumption is was not???

this has been discussed before at length.... try the search function

SpeakEasy · 11-06-2002, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bawdy

this has been discussed before at length.... try the search function

I know all about the search option, If I wanted to read through a ton of stupid worthlesss crap to get the answer I would have. This question was related to the topic here, so it is appropriate that it was asked.!! Now if you know the correct answer, then please reply, if not then YOUR post was nothing more then the crap I didnt want to have to search through.....and basically another post to add to your post totals. I'm not here to waste my time, some of us do work you know

pentae · 11-06-2002, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SpeakEasy
Hey is porn Legal to operate in Australia??, I was under the assumption is was not???

I get asked this nine times a day. Its only illlegal to host porn on a server in Australia, which nobody does anyway because our bandwidth here sucks.

I'm really sick of answering this question, mainly because the comfortable American asking it think they know more than we do about our own laws.

Whats that old saying, "A little knowledge is a bad thing"?

AcidMax · 11-06-2002, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pentae

I'm really sick of answering this question, mainly because the comfortable American asking it think they know more than we do about our own laws.

Not to be an ass, but that was kind of a shitty thing to say, the person was just asking a question and you started saying "The comfortable American acting like they know more than me." No one said that , it was a simple question they asked.

I know you are owed some money bro, but damn don't be a dick.

Andy

Maximus · 11-06-2002, 06:52 PM

Hello Pentae,

I have been notified that you are proclaiming that WSB "Dont Pay". In actuality your funds are currently sitting in your bank account begging to be spent. Lets bring to light what has transpired in your case. I dont normally go thru customers account here on the board but I will in your case.

You only did transcations for a 7 day period from 9/1 to 9/8 , although you had been an active account for quite some time, you only did first time sales this 7 day period. Your scheduled release date was 10/1. But when payment time came so did a red flag with your name on it. In less than 3 weeks we already had 7 charge backs (10.45%) and 6 credits ( 8.96%) . This is about 20 % of your revenue returned in less than a month. Along with no new sales this is cause for concern.

We wouldnt be in business if we did not have filters in place for spotting this type of pattern. In any event, in your case the account was reviewed and an extension of 30 days was added before release as a precaution. Usually its much more but in this case the amount is not that great. At this time we notify customers by phone. Your salesman should have spoken with you.

After 30 days your account went up again for payment and was approved. In your case you receive wire transfer. An email was sent out requesting verification of a semi ledgeable swift code. Paranoid as we are we requested your comfirmation of the swift code needed in order to deposit your funds safely into your account. We then received back from you a confirmation 10/31 (see below).

Subject: Re: wsb wire info
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:03:18 +1000
From: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>

Yes that is the correct swift code...

Let me know if you need anything else clarified

thanks
---
Accounts
naughtyandlive

We then moved your account to a pay status and you we wired your funds. We did find that you sent a reminder email that was not replied to. We get to all our emails everyday but in your case we did not reply right after your wire was processed, but rest assured you were on the list to be paid... I checked your account statement area and it reads you were paid today 11/6/02 sometime before 5:30 pm EST, cut off time for wires. We print out all wires daily so if you need further verification of todays transfer I can retreive that tomorrow.

Hope this longwinded reply answers your concerns and I certainly hope you enjoy your hard earned cash. Thanks to all of you who know and stuck up for WSB... cheers.

pentae · 11-06-2002, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AcidMax

Not to be an ass, but that was kind of a shitty thing to say, the person was just asking a question and you started saying "The comfortable American acting like they know more than me." No one said that , it was a simple question they asked.

I know you are owed some money bro, but damn don't be a dick.

Andy

You missed the part where I said I got asked it nine times a day ;)

pentae · 11-06-2002, 08:11 PM

Wow!

My accountant told me it hadnt been paid yet this morning, but I got her to check the account just then our money is finally there.

Maximus, thanks finally for your attention to this matter, I appreciate it.

Quote:

You only did transcations for a 7 day period from 9/1 to 9/8 , although you had been an active account for quite some time, you only did first time sales this 7 day period. Your scheduled release date was 10/1. But when payment time came so did a red flag with your name on it. In less than 3 weeks we already had 7 charge backs (10.45%) and 6 credits ( 8.96%) . This is about 20 % of your revenue returned in less than a month. Along with no new sales this is cause for concern.

I am curious as to why you didnt email us about this? It would have caused a hell of a lot less panicking, and I certainly wouldnt have brought things to the board.

Quote:

Your salesman should have spoken with you.

Maybe you should ask him why he didnt call us :/

Okay people, it turns out WSB Pay after all!

Quote:

Originally posted by Maximus
Hello Pentae,

I have been notified that you are proclaiming that WSB "Dont Pay". In actuality your funds are currently sitting in your bank account begging to be spent. Lets bring to light what has transpired in your case. I dont normally go thru customers account here on the board but I will in your case.

You only did transcations for a 7 day period from 9/1 to 9/8 , although you had been an active account for quite some time, you only did first time sales this 7 day period. Your scheduled release date was 10/1. But when payment time came so did a red flag with your name on it. In less than 3 weeks we already had 7 charge backs (10.45%) and 6 credits ( 8.96%) . This is about 20 % of your revenue returned in less than a month. Along with no new sales this is cause for concern.

We wouldnt be in business if we did not have filters in place for spotting this type of pattern. In any event, in your case the account was reviewed and an extension of 30 days was added before release as a precaution. Usually its much more but in this case the amount is not that great. At this time we notify customers by phone. Your salesman should have spoken with you.

After 30 days your account went up again for payment and was approved. In your case you receive wire transfer. An email was sent out requesting verification of a semi ledgeable swift code. Paranoid as we are we requested your comfirmation of the swift code needed in order to deposit your funds safely into your account. We then received back from you a confirmation 10/31 (see below).

Subject: Re: wsb wire info
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:03:18 +1000
From: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>

Yes that is the correct swift code...

Let me know if you need anything else clarified

thanks
---
Accounts
naughtyandlive

We then moved your account to a pay status and you we wired your funds. We did find that you sent a reminder email that was not replied to. We get to all our emails everyday but in your case we did not reply right after your wire was processed, but rest assured you were on the list to be paid... I checked your account statement area and it reads you were paid today 11/6/02 sometime before 5:30 pm EST, cut off time for wires. We print out all wires daily so if you need further verification of todays transfer I can retreive that tomorrow.

Hope this longwinded reply answers your concerns and I certainly hope you enjoy your hard earned cash. Thanks to all of you who know and stuck up for WSB... cheers.

11-05-2002, 05:39 PM	#1
pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	WebsiteBilling Pty Ltd Don't Pay Website billing dont pay.

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11-05-2002, 05:47 PM	#11
Penrod Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,579	Why don't you call and ask for the owner. We have been dealing with WSB for years and have never had a single problem. I call BULLSHIT! Last edited by Penrod; 11-05-2002 at 05:50 PM..

11-05-2002, 05:47 PM	#12
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11-05-2002, 05:41 PM	#3
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	If you're going to make that kind of accusation do some explaining. That's a pretty serious claim.

11-05-2002, 05:41 PM	#6
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	Ibill doesnt pay

11-05-2002, 05:42 PM	#7
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	ccbill doesnt pay

11-05-2002, 05:43 PM	#8
pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	No check, no wire, no interest on their part.

11-05-2002, 05:45 PM	#9
redshift Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: anus fuckin' yo mama Posts: 1,044	Ok now tell us the "rest of the story"

11-05-2002, 05:56 PM	#16
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	that penrod/pentae thing we've got here goin' confuses me..

11-05-2002, 05:56 PM	#17
some_idiot Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Doesn't matter, I'm not buying you another pint! Posts: 1,511	Got my check... You do know there's a hold period right???

11-05-2002, 05:57 PM	#18
pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	Anyway, whatever. They can keep the money. We just won't be using them anymore. I also find it interesting that they have dicked me on these two seperate ocassions for different companies. I could understand if the payment information wasnt correct for one, but 2 out of 2 is far too suspicious. After waiting for months and months, and my accountant is emailing them every day, why shouldnt I start a thread to see if other people, Australians in particular, are having these problems.

11-05-2002, 05:58 PM	#19
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11-05-2002, 06:01 PM	#21
juicybucks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: JuicyBucks Office in the sunshine. Posts: 1,235	pentae is correct, he's not bullshitting at all guys, it's wierd they seem to have missed it in the pipeline somewhere .... __________________ JuicyBucks.com $40 per signup Celebrity Sites are our Speciality Tons of Promotional Material

11-05-2002, 06:30 PM	#29
SunTzu Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: the box Posts: 456	Most processors as stated in their contracts, have the option of holding your money for 6 months if you aren't sending them sales anymore. It sucks, but you have no reason to bitch yet. Last edited by SunTzu; 11-05-2002 at 07:06 PM..

11-05-2002, 06:33 PM	#30
pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	Actually SunTzu, thats bullshit. Regardless of whether thats the case, they should notify us. Lets not forget that the processer isnt doing me any favours, they arent paying the girls' wages every week. If we said to our girls "Sorry ladies, our credit card processor has held our payment back a few months, no pay till then", do you think thats a way to run a business? Get the fuck out of here.

11-05-2002, 07:38 PM	#35
hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	you should get paid.. plain and simple. there is no reason for this if you have not broken any terms send THEM a bill and charge them interest for every month they dont pay you and hire an attorney you can get 3 times the amount they owe you if you sue them __________________

11-05-2002, 08:09 PM	#36
SpeakEasy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Internet Posts: 2,681	Hey is porn Legal to operate in Australia??, I was under the assumption is was not???

11-06-2002, 02:03 PM	#37
SpeakEasy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Internet Posts: 2,681	Well ???? Nobody knows the answer ??

11-06-2002, 06:52 PM	#42
Maximus Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 81	Hello Pentae, I have been notified that you are proclaiming that WSB "Dont Pay". In actuality your funds are currently sitting in your bank account begging to be spent. Lets bring to light what has transpired in your case. I dont normally go thru customers account here on the board but I will in your case. You only did transcations for a 7 day period from 9/1 to 9/8 , although you had been an active account for quite some time, you only did first time sales this 7 day period. Your scheduled release date was 10/1. But when payment time came so did a red flag with your name on it. In less than 3 weeks we already had 7 charge backs (10.45%) and 6 credits ( 8.96%) . This is about 20 % of your revenue returned in less than a month. Along with no new sales this is cause for concern. We wouldnt be in business if we did not have filters in place for spotting this type of pattern. In any event, in your case the account was reviewed and an extension of 30 days was added before release as a precaution. Usually its much more but in this case the amount is not that great. At this time we notify customers by phone. Your salesman should have spoken with you. After 30 days your account went up again for payment and was approved. In your case you receive wire transfer. An email was sent out requesting verification of a semi ledgeable swift code. Paranoid as we are we requested your comfirmation of the swift code needed in order to deposit your funds safely into your account. We then received back from you a confirmation 10/31 (see below). Subject: Re: wsb wire info Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:03:18 +1000 From: [email protected] To: <[email protected]> Yes that is the correct swift code... Let me know if you need anything else clarified thanks --- Accounts naughtyandlive We then moved your account to a pay status and you we wired your funds. We did find that you sent a reminder email that was not replied to. We get to all our emails everyday but in your case we did not reply right after your wire was processed, but rest assured you were on the list to be paid... I checked your account statement area and it reads you were paid today 11/6/02 sometime before 5:30 pm EST, cut off time for wires. We print out all wires daily so if you need further verification of todays transfer I can retreive that tomorrow. Hope this longwinded reply answers your concerns and I certainly hope you enjoy your hard earned cash. Thanks to all of you who know and stuck up for WSB... cheers. __________________ Maximus Websitebilling Last edited by Maximus; 11-06-2002 at 07:22 PM..