recession and porn sales?

Blockbuster, Movie Gallery, and your local movie rental store are soon to be a thing of the past. Yes Netfilx and Redbox have taken some of that business, but that business collectively is nowhere near the level it was a few years ago.

love the ads, you cats are possibly more demented than i am.

will have to give you a spin-

is anyone doing a redbox for porn? as long as the boxes displayed were pg they wouldnt have problems there, just the legal locations where to place them. then again a bunch of jeezoids would probably start torching them.

you'd have to equip them with surveillance cams but it would work. nowadays alot of people dont give a fuck if other people know they rent porn or not, so that era of "hidden porn caches" is over imo.

looks to me like some people dont understand luxury impulse buying

Please stop making sense or I'll have you banned. Strike 1!

I'm not seeing that. And how can there be "exceptions"? Either people have money or they don't.

I go out all the time here in Vegas. Every bar is slammed on the weekends. And I'm not just talking about tourist stuff on the strip. I'm talking local bars.

Every restaurant is packed. And again, I'm not talking about "fancy" joints. I'm talking Macaroni Grill. lol

I've said this before in several threads. I played music for a living for most of my life. And the worst recession any of us had seen in our lifetimes before happened in the late 1970's (Carter years) up until the early 1980's. And on top of the recession was a horrendous "gas shortage"

It was depressing! Here are some unemployment numbers for you...
1982-11 10.80 10.8
1982-12 10.80 10.8
1983-01 10.40 10.4
1983-02 10.40 10.4
1983-03 10.30 10.3
1983-04 10.20 10.2
1983-05 10.10 10.1
1983-06 10.10 10.1
1983-07 9.40
1983-08 9.50
1983-09 9.20

And the bars? We were SLAMMED! My band never had a night off and we were making big money at that time. 7 nights a week, 5 sets a night.

As for the movie industry now...they just set a record with Avatar. All those "Twilight" movies have come out during this recession and all made fortunes. And of course both Iron Man movies, the Transformer movies...the list goes on and on and on.

My point is...people DO have some income for recreation. They always do in a time of recession. They may not pay the bills on time, but they always have their beer and cigarettes.

They always did and they always will. And we wouldn't be affected to a great degree by this thing...except for piracy.

ONE DOLLAR A DAY gets you a paysite membership. Going to the movies with the wife and kids costs you $100 for a couple of hours.

But people do it.

Now you open a movie theater in every town in America and show those same movies for free? The movie industry will crash.

The computer IS our movie theater when it comes to online porn biz. And that is what is happening to us. I can't sell memberships to paysites that are completely ripped for free AND everybody knows where to download it thanks to surfer porn forums.

It really is just that simple.

Let the economy come roaring back tomorrow. Let there be 0% unemployment.
It won't matter. People aren't stupid. And they aren't going to pay for something that is free.

That is why I still make good sales everyday on the paysite I own. And others...not so much.

The 3 R's...

Recessions Roll in Riches

? 2008

Robbie, I have enormous respect for you and I'm not saying piracy is not a problem, but I think the economy is a bigger one.

You may have gone to some events in Nevada which made money, but Nevada leads the nation in unemployment. I used to go to Vegas pretty often, and I always got the nice suite and the high end dining etc., but skipping those trips is a really easy belt-tightener. Because I used to spend there, I'm on all the mailing lists for those things, and they are all on super-sale right now. The hotels and restaurants would not be offering huge discounts if everything were going awesome for them.

Even with piracy, many people will pay for content they like. Even savvy people who could figure out how to steal it easily. For example, if you are never going to a particular restaurant again, the good service you got does have to cost you anything extra, but I bet you still tip appropriately. But a lot of people are more likely to steal -- both bread and entertainment -- when they have fiscal woes.

In the movie industry, some people have hit upon great formulas to get good box office on a particular movie. But, on the overall, approximately 100 fewer theatrical releases are coming out per year than there were a couple years ago. Although a few people have done well, on the overall, that represents a lot of people out of work and a lot of budgets slashed.

Is it still possible to make some dough? Definitely yes. Are the larger economic problems -- unemployment, underemployment, contraction of consumer credit markets, contraction of business capital markets, 1 in 8 Americans on Food Stamps which can't be used to purchase entertainment -- big obstacles to making that dough? I think also definitely yes.

Amelia, I agree the economy is hurting people. But I disagree on the effect it's had on entertainment and the porn business.

My question to you again is this: IF the economy comes back tomorrow BOOMING. And it's better than it ever was. Unemployment drops to ZERO and there is NO poverty. In other words I'm saying the impossible...but just IF it did.

Do you think that people would then buy memberships to paysites that are available for free on file sharing sites. AND have the links to all of it categorized and readily available for them on "surfer forums" which have millions of members.

In my humble opinion...just using common sense...I say "no".

This should be the mantra of any small business owner here. Focus on the solution instead of the problem.

(not targeted at you Amelia, just the only point which I think needs to be highlighted).

well, you're probably right on this, but there's more. Historically, people tends to cut their entertainment budget last and even increase it on crisis times. The Great Depression, WW2 or even NOW are great examples. There's an obvious psychological reason for this, people likes to think everything is as usual and get away from thinking about their troubles. However, entertainment is being chosen more selectively, and here's where what you say is right: why pay for something that is free (unless it has some added value)?

This being said, like in any other circumstance, this will create a trend from where there will be no turning back, so that answers your question: even if economy gets to a booming time, people won't get back to pay for what they're used to get for free. UNLESS there's some kind of change (legal, technological, whatever) or sponsors realize business has changed and things will never be the same again, therefore they need to change or get out of the road

just my

Our sales are up, honestly.


I cannot understand people moaning about a recession. Even with cash flow problems. When people want to enjoy a little porn, they shall forget the eighth of blow, the 6pack of lager or maybe the night out midweek and enjoy a month of porn for about the same or less cash.

Adapt Or Die!!!

Hollywood movies have piracy problems too. I'm pretty certain you can find illegal DL sites, torrents and tubes with the latest Hollywood movies. How do you explain the divergence between how the box office has avoided a dive in revenues due to piracy, while the porn adult industry has experienced a sharp decline?

Already did that.

People go to the movie theater for the experience. They do it with their girlfriend, their wife, their friends, or their family. Everybody wants to see the latest block buster on the big screen in the company of their people.

Online IS the "theater" for pornography. The fact that it is anonymous and you can do it alone in your home without anybody knowing is the whole point. Didn't you already know all of this?

Americans have the cash.

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/cbuil...ker1=MZM%3AIND

About 9.4 trillions of it. All cash, deposits and money market accounts (money at zero maturity). A record high that can buy the entire SP500. Poor sales must be caused by something else, like a deep consumer strike that is lifted for specific services/goods only. Under this mood, there is no way americans will spend on something they can have for free. They spend ONLY when there is no substitution.