Hiring: PHP Programmers - 4 Full Time Positions available! - GoFuckYourself.com

Kenny B! · 10-23-2008, 11:56 AM

I?m posting this for an adult company based out of Toronto, they are looking for 3 PHP Programmers and 1 Team Lead, salary is 65K - 80K depending on experience.

All the requirements, responsibilities and expectations are listed below, if you would like more information please contact:
Tobias Liu
[email protected]
(647) 883-9003

Sr. PHP Programmer

Skills Requirements
o Strong written/verbal communication
o Solid team player with passion to participate in mentoring and team building
o Strong web application documentation, design, coding and testing experience
o Proven analytical ability to create/modify application code to support new functionality.
o Strong debugging experience with code written by other developers
o Proven ability to provide effort and elapsed time estimates for assigned work.
o Proven ability to execute project deliverables within effort and elapsed time estimates
o Proven experience in meeting workload estimates as defined in project work plan.

Responsibilities:
o Construct, develop, code, debug and maintain web site applications.
o Conform to in-house software development processes
o Conform to define software design methodology for the development and implementation of Internet based application to support all aspects of web site functionalities.
o Perform code evaluation and determine recommendations for adaptation.
o Creation of Low Level Design Document from Functional Specification and Technical design document.
o Conduct Low Level Design Review with Team Lead and Technical Lead to ensure that the Low Level Designs conform to respective Functional Specifications and Technical Designs.
o Participate in code reviews with Team Lead and Technical Lead to ensure that the code adheres to the low level design, and that the code meets coding standards compliance.
o Apply rigorous testing methodologies and use cases to analyze and verify software programs, algorithms, data transformation, forms, reports and interfaces.
o Timely communication of issues and status information to Team Lead concerning system development activities.
o Generate application test data as necessary and validate any data conversion requirements for final implementation and production rollout.
o Participate in project status review meeting with Team Lead.

Technical Expectations
o 4+ years of PHP design/coding/testing in Open Source environment building large scale distributed web sites.
o Experience working in a formal software development environment
o 2-3+ years of Object Orientation software coding experience for web application
o 1-2+ years of Working with a second object oriented language such as perl or java.
o Linux, Mac O/S, MySQL, PHP 4/5, Apache/Light HTTP technology experience based on LAMP model
o Computer Science trained graduate or with equivalent work experience

Web Development Team Lead

Skill Requirements

o Proven team building and leadership experience in a web development environment
o Staff training and team development skills and experience
o Strong written/verbal communication skills
o Experienced in estimating effort and elapsed time required to complete project deliverables.
o Skilled in both Object Oriented and Non-Object Oriented Design and programming techniques.
o Several years of skill in PHP and at least one other object oriented language such as perl or Java.
o Experience designing with large scale distributed databases.
o Strong business and technical analytical ability so as to create robust technical design documentation from business requirements documentation.
o Proven ability to define success criteria to meet and measure quality expectations.

Responsibilities:

o Provide feedback on business requirements documentation to ensure resolution of any apparent ambiguity or contradictions.
o Functional Breakdown, Design, Programming, testing and maintaining web site applications to support the business requirements.
o Perform impact analysis for design modification and obtain signoff from the Architecture Team.
o Participation in the selection and implementation of third party software to support design where it is practicable.
o Appropriate documentation for each development step ? including functional, design, and testing specifications.
o Developing and documenting workload estimates (ie: Creation of workload breakdown plan to define and track software development efforts)
o Delivering functionality within these estimated effort and time frames
o Selection, implementation and/or modification of web development practices and methodologies to support continuous improvement efforts.
o Provide assistance to junior programmers to generate Low Level Design documentation for new or modified functionality.
o Conduct Design reviews with Technical Architect, Project Manager and Manager of Software Development for final design approvals.
o Conduct documentation and code reviews for their team members to ensure standards compliance.
o Define test methodology and use cases to analyze and verify software programs, forms, reports and interfaces.
o Communicate issues and status information to Project Management Office concerning system development activities.
o Liaison with Project Mangement Office to resolve scheduling conflict and project dependencies.
o Update system data and prepare conversion requirement as necessary for new implementation and production rollout.
o Participate in project status review meetings with other Team Leads and the Development Manager

Technical Expectations

o 5?6+ years of PHP 4/5 design/coding/testing/implementing using Open Source approach
o Supervise and lead a team of 6 ? 10 programmers
o 4+ years of Object Orientation design and development experience for large scale distributed web applications
o Linux, Mac O/SX, MySQL, PHP, Apache/Light HTTP technologies experience
o Computer Science trained graduate or equivalent work experience

For more information please contact:
Tobias Liu
[email protected]
(647) 883-9003

Thanks!

mrkris · 10-23-2008, 12:32 PM

Your low ball of 65k is actually an insult to anyone that meets those requirements.

Chris · 10-23-2008, 12:34 PM

that is alot of programmin

pr0 · 10-23-2008, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkris

Your low ball of 65k is actually an insult to anyone that meets those requirements.

In these market conditions i think 65-80k is quite fair for a new hire

sextoyking · 10-23-2008, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

In these market conditions i think 65-80k is quite fair for a new hire

yep...........

mrkris · 10-23-2008, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

In these market conditions i think 65-80k is quite fair for a new hire

Perhaps if the position was for running a bank, but this is for a developer position. Good developers are in demand and even 80k is low. Adult tends to be cheap, wanting more bang for little buck, so I can understand your response.

borked · 10-23-2008, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkris

Perhaps if the position was for running a bank, but this is for a developer position. Good developers are in demand and even 80k is low. Adult tends to be cheap, wanting more bang for little buck, so I can understand your response.

quoted for truth

pr0 · 10-23-2008, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkris

Perhaps if the position was for running a bank, but this is for a developer position. Good developers are in demand and even 80k is low. Adult tends to be cheap, wanting more bang for little buck, so I can understand your response.

I'm not just talking adult. I know plenty of programmers losing their jobs. In fact i have a buddy that just picked up 2 guys from Yahoo.

But i do have 1 "fact".

Most programmers have heads bigger than their actual wallets.

mrkris · 10-23-2008, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

I'm not just talking adult. I know plenty of programmers losing their jobs. In fact i have a buddy that just picked up 2 guys from Yahoo.

But i do have 1 "fact".

Most programmers have heads bigger than their actual wallets.

What I am saying is there are plenty of jobs available. You just have to meet the criteria. If you are an entry level developer, sure it might be difficult, but if you have the skills, it's not that difficult.

Ethersync · 10-23-2008, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

Most programmers have heads bigger than their actual wallets.

So fucking true...

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-23-2008, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

In these market conditions i think 65-80k is quite fair for a new hire

Unless that new hire is fresh out of college or has a slight understanding of whats going on, its a lowball...

New hire does not mean not qualified and doesn't deserve pay as they should.

Sands · 10-23-2008, 12:49 PM

I'll do it for tree fiddy.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-23-2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

Most programmers have heads bigger than their actual wallets.

Most non-programmers can have the same thing said for them, why do you think its so hard to find a good programmer?

mrkris · 10-23-2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

Most non-programmers can have the same thing said for them, why do you think its so hard to find a good programmer?

Zing

pr0 · 10-23-2008, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

why do you think its so hard to find a good programmer?

because they all already work for me

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-23-2008, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

because they all already work for me

I can name 5 very good programmers, who don't work for you

pr0 · 10-23-2008, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

I can name 5 very good programmers, who don't work for you

yea you're right...all the programmers in this thread are AMAZINGLY good, drive ferraris & dont work for me

Sands · 10-23-2008, 01:00 PM

PHP Code:


			
if($sands == 'cool') {echo 'Yaaay!';} else {echo 'Booo!'}

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-23-2008, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

I've ran through every half ass programmer on GFY (from 2001-2007). So if you know some that don't work for me, they don't post here.

I know 5 very good programmers who post here that haven't worked for you

mrkris · 10-23-2008, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

I've ran through every half ass programmer on GFY (from 2001-2007). So if you know some that don't work for me, they don't post here.

Yes, I'm so sure you have.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-23-2008, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sands

PHP Code:


			
if($sands == 'cool') {echo 'Yaaay!';} else {echo 'Booo!'}

if($sands == 'cool') echo 'Yaaay!'; else echo 'Booo!';

Sands · 10-23-2008, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

if($sands == 'cool') echo 'Yaaay!'; else echo 'Booo!';

I like adding the curlies

borked · 10-23-2008, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

if($sands == 'cool') echo 'Yaaay!'; else echo 'Booo!';

echo ($sands == 'cool' ? 'Yaaay' : 'Boooo!');

fuzebox · 10-23-2008, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkris

Your low ball of 65k is actually an insult to anyone that meets those requirements.

Disagree

The post dot-com tech world is pretty low paying, especially for an average php developer position... I've seen many offers starting at the 30-40k range get filled pretty quick.

Obviously being a freelance consultant is a lot different than having a dayjob.

borked · 10-23-2008, 01:27 PM

I've never seen a lead on $80k

camperjohn64 · 10-23-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sands

I like adding the curlies

The curlies are really imporant when on a team. If a junior programmer adds code, he may miss that they were never there to begin with and the program fucks up.

I agree that 65-80k is low. Anyone you get, will only stay until they find a real job. Maybe that is your goal though - to find a cheap programmer for 3 months.

cgu · 10-23-2008, 01:40 PM

I think every prog is on board until they find a better deal. In LA a good prog will go for 95k. I think Texas Instruments pays 250k + tons of benefits for MIT grads. So enjoy a good prog while you've got them the market will eventually take them away from you.

Better to just hire a programming company to do the work then you've got someone to yell at at the end of the day aside from yourself.

mrkris · 10-23-2008, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Disagree

The post dot-com tech world is pretty low paying, especially for an average php developer position... I've seen many offers starting at the 30-40k range get filled pretty quick.

Obviously being a freelance consultant is a lot different than having a dayjob.

Maybe it's your location. Yes, 30-40k range are filling up ... for junior developers, but not lead developers. I get emails regularly for interviews at places starting at 90k+ with what I would consider a low end senior developer.

jwerd · 10-23-2008, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

if($sands == 'cool') echo 'Yaaay!'; else echo 'Booo!';

PHP Code:


			
echo ($sands == 'cool') ? "Yaaay!" : "Booo!";

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-23-2008, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

echo ($sands == 'cool' ? 'Yaaay' : 'Boooo!');

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamerhooD

PHP Code:


			
echo ($sands == 'cool') ? "Yaaay!" : "Booo!";

You fail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

k0nr4d · 10-23-2008, 03:27 PM

hell, i'd probably do full time for about 90-100k

Deej · 10-23-2008, 05:44 PM

quality interview thread

Un4given · 10-23-2008, 06:38 PM

At least they seem to know what they want, most don't have a clue.

If a person did have those skills they could be a great asset to a company.

viencarl · 10-24-2008, 04:24 AM

just a bump for all programmers here

InternetIsForPorn · 10-24-2008, 05:35 AM

Lol and here I am paying $600/mo to my lead developers! Haha.

Good thread, keep it going.

Kenny B! · 10-24-2008, 12:47 PM

I'm sure a bump in salary can be discussed if the candidate is that great. The employer will also pay for all relocation costs!

Ethersync · 10-24-2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InternetIsForPorn

Lol and here I am paying $600/mo to my lead developers! Haha.

Good thread, keep it going.

Yeah, I have 5 full time programmers and I don't pay anywhere near 80k a year total for them. They are top notch guys too and earm 3 to 4 times what most people in their town make.

Voodoo · 10-24-2008, 01:59 PM

Code:

switch ($sands) {
case "cool":
    echo "Yaaay!";
    break;
default:
    echo "Boooo!";
}

Voodoo · 10-24-2008, 02:01 PM

Code:

$sands="cool";
     while($sands != "not cool"){
        echo "Yaaay!";
}
else
{
     echo "Booo!";
}

Kenny B! · 11-03-2008, 02:21 PM

Bumpedy Bump!

GrouchyAdmin · 11-03-2008, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

echo ($sands == 'cool' ? 'Yaaay' : 'Boooo!');

I love abusing ternary, too.

Code:

<?php
define('RAD', TRUE);
define('BOGUS', FALSE);
define('DUDE', '');
define('NOWAY', 'Fucknaw.');
define('TOTALLY', 'Furshure.');
define('BEDAT', '==');
echo ( DUDE . $sands . BEDAT . RAD . DUDE ? TOTALLY . DUDE : NOWAY . DUDE) ."\n";
?>

Juicy D. Links · 11-03-2008, 02:52 PM

i cod guud

mrkris · 11-03-2008, 02:55 PM

Nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop

Sands · 11-03-2008, 02:57 PM

I must not code. Code is the mind-killer. Code is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my code. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when my code is gone I will turn and face PHP's path, and only I will remain.

V_RocKs · 11-03-2008, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

In these market conditions i think 65-80k is quite fair for a new hire

I have 1/5th of these qualifications and I wouldn't do the job for less than $200K a year... But then that is because I actually know how to turn that 1/5th into cold hard cash...

V_RocKs · 11-03-2008, 04:30 PM

As far as pay goes...

I can see the lower level guy taking $75K and liking it... Thinking this is a step into more experience...

But the team leader should be asking for $100-120K and they should be getting a signing bonus + moving expenses...

farkedup · 11-03-2008, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

As far as pay goes...

I can see the lower level guy taking $75K and liking it... Thinking this is a step into more experience...

But the team leader should be asking for $100-120K and they should be getting a signing bonus + moving expenses...

You don't know how bad this economy has gotten do you? Here in MI jobs are extremely hard to come by.

Salary isn't everything, BUT if you're expecting to get a guy in for 60-80hrs a week then obviously that salary isn't even close BUT if its a good 9-5 type job or hell 11-7 I prefer with flexibility and perks its not bad at all.

V_RocKs · 11-04-2008, 03:13 AM

You are correct. I don't know how bad the economy is...

I make enough to not have to worry about it...

AdPatron · 11-04-2008, 03:37 AM

I make $150K doing my own thing. If someone wants to hire me to program, they will need to beat that.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 11-04-2008, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

You are correct. I don't know how bad the economy is...

I make enough to not have to worry about it...

Best reply ever.

10-23-2008, 11:56 AM	#1
Kenny B! Confirmed Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,718	Hiring: PHP Programmers - 4 Full Time Positions available! I?m posting this for an adult company based out of Toronto, they are looking for 3 PHP Programmers and 1 Team Lead, salary is 65K - 80K depending on experience. All the requirements, responsibilities and expectations are listed below, if you would like more information please contact: Tobias Liu [email protected] (647) 883-9003 Sr. PHP Programmer Skills Requirements o Strong written/verbal communication o Solid team player with passion to participate in mentoring and team building o Strong web application documentation, design, coding and testing experience o Proven analytical ability to create/modify application code to support new functionality. o Strong debugging experience with code written by other developers o Proven ability to provide effort and elapsed time estimates for assigned work. o Proven ability to execute project deliverables within effort and elapsed time estimates o Proven experience in meeting workload estimates as defined in project work plan. Responsibilities: o Construct, develop, code, debug and maintain web site applications. o Conform to in-house software development processes o Conform to define software design methodology for the development and implementation of Internet based application to support all aspects of web site functionalities. o Perform code evaluation and determine recommendations for adaptation. o Creation of Low Level Design Document from Functional Specification and Technical design document. o Conduct Low Level Design Review with Team Lead and Technical Lead to ensure that the Low Level Designs conform to respective Functional Specifications and Technical Designs. o Participate in code reviews with Team Lead and Technical Lead to ensure that the code adheres to the low level design, and that the code meets coding standards compliance. o Apply rigorous testing methodologies and use cases to analyze and verify software programs, algorithms, data transformation, forms, reports and interfaces. o Timely communication of issues and status information to Team Lead concerning system development activities. o Generate application test data as necessary and validate any data conversion requirements for final implementation and production rollout. o Participate in project status review meeting with Team Lead. Technical Expectations o 4+ years of PHP design/coding/testing in Open Source environment building large scale distributed web sites. o Experience working in a formal software development environment o 2-3+ years of Object Orientation software coding experience for web application o 1-2+ years of Working with a second object oriented language such as perl or java. o Linux, Mac O/S, MySQL, PHP 4/5, Apache/Light HTTP technology experience based on LAMP model o Computer Science trained graduate or with equivalent work experience Web Development Team Lead Skill Requirements o Proven team building and leadership experience in a web development environment o Staff training and team development skills and experience o Strong written/verbal communication skills o Experienced in estimating effort and elapsed time required to complete project deliverables. o Skilled in both Object Oriented and Non-Object Oriented Design and programming techniques. o Several years of skill in PHP and at least one other object oriented language such as perl or Java. o Experience designing with large scale distributed databases. o Strong business and technical analytical ability so as to create robust technical design documentation from business requirements documentation. o Proven ability to define success criteria to meet and measure quality expectations. Responsibilities: o Provide feedback on business requirements documentation to ensure resolution of any apparent ambiguity or contradictions. o Functional Breakdown, Design, Programming, testing and maintaining web site applications to support the business requirements. o Perform impact analysis for design modification and obtain signoff from the Architecture Team. o Participation in the selection and implementation of third party software to support design where it is practicable. o Appropriate documentation for each development step ? including functional, design, and testing specifications. o Developing and documenting workload estimates (ie: Creation of workload breakdown plan to define and track software development efforts) o Delivering functionality within these estimated effort and time frames o Selection, implementation and/or modification of web development practices and methodologies to support continuous improvement efforts. o Provide assistance to junior programmers to generate Low Level Design documentation for new or modified functionality. o Conduct Design reviews with Technical Architect, Project Manager and Manager of Software Development for final design approvals. o Conduct documentation and code reviews for their team members to ensure standards compliance. o Define test methodology and use cases to analyze and verify software programs, forms, reports and interfaces. o Communicate issues and status information to Project Management Office concerning system development activities. o Liaison with Project Mangement Office to resolve scheduling conflict and project dependencies. o Update system data and prepare conversion requirement as necessary for new implementation and production rollout. o Participate in project status review meetings with other Team Leads and the Development Manager Technical Expectations o 5?6+ years of PHP 4/5 design/coding/testing/implementing using Open Source approach o Supervise and lead a team of 6 ? 10 programmers o 4+ years of Object Orientation design and development experience for large scale distributed web applications o Linux, Mac O/SX, MySQL, PHP, Apache/Light HTTP technologies experience o Computer Science trained graduate or equivalent work experience For more information please contact: Tobias Liu [email protected] (647) 883-9003 Thanks! __________________ Kenny -at- YourPaysitePartner.com Skype: kennyb514 Do business with us: Your Paysite Partner Kenny's Pennies Sticky Dollars Radical Cash Indie Bucks Stand Ahead Read My Ambush Interview Here

10-23-2008, 12:32 PM	#2
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InternetIsForPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 848	Lol and here I am paying $600/mo to my lead developers! Haha. Good thread, keep it going.

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	As far as pay goes... I can see the lower level guy taking $75K and liking it... Thinking this is a step into more experience... But the team leader should be asking for $100-120K and they should be getting a signing bonus + moving expenses...

11-04-2008, 03:13 AM	#48
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AdPatron No commissions, no fees. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,706	I make $150K doing my own thing. If someone wants to hire me to program, they will need to beat that.