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Old 10-23-2008, 02:35 PM   #51
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Seriously, do you really believe that?
You know he does.
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Old 10-23-2008, 02:38 PM   #52
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If it had said "howz bout you" I might have just shit myself right here and now.

eh, "how about yall" would have been better, imo.
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Old 10-23-2008, 03:03 PM   #53
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How is he going to pay 50k in takes when the guy only makes 40k.
If you read the page that Tony posted (what this thread is about), it assumes an income of 300+k, not 40k
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Old 10-23-2008, 03:06 PM   #54
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You know he does.
Sigh. I shall now excuse myself from the Obama rally

Ya know, L, it might be time to move into the clubhouse and fly under the radar
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Old 10-23-2008, 03:26 PM   #55
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Sigh. I shall now excuse myself from the Obama rally

Ya know, L, it might be time to move into the clubhouse and fly under the radar
I am almost hoping he wins just so I can say, "I told you so."
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:00 PM   #56
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I am almost hoping he wins just so I can say, "I told you so."
I'm hoping he wins now. It will be 4 years of pure comedy to hear the left wing and peace activists in Canada claim that our P.M. is the lapdog of fascist Obama and his illegal war in Afghanistan, etc. It's going to be pure gold.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:18 PM   #57
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How is that ? Under Bush wages have dropped and employment has dropped and that was even before the blow up of the economy.
How many years was unemployment lower than it was after Clinton? Don't mention that though.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:32 PM   #58
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Sigh. I shall now excuse myself from the Obama rally

Ya know, L, it might be time to move into the clubhouse and fly under the radar
I show you true numbers and that's all you have? Some me numbers not what the pundits said.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:33 PM   #59
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I am almost hoping he wins just so I can say, "I told you so."
Or if its great will you be man enough to say I was wrong?
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:37 PM   #60
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How many years was unemployment lower than it was after Clinton? Don't mention that though.
Show me how that the rules regarding what an unemployed person even was had not been changed during such periods. Oh wait huge numbers of people do not count as unemployed since they were not full time, or benefits ran out, or a whole fucking list of ways to fuck with the numbers.
I know damn well both sides have adjusted such over their terms. Does not make it right for either party. It has recently just been adjusted to the point that it is now a useless number all together, from a partially useless number.
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Old 10-23-2008, 05:29 PM   #61
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Or if its great will you be man enough to say I was wrong?
Of course, just like if he wins I will take back my assertion that he was unelectable.

Of course, if he loses you will accuse the Republicans of stealing the election. You can't deny that.
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Old 10-23-2008, 07:43 PM   #62
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Of course, just like if he wins I will take back my assertion that he was unelectable.

Of course, if he loses you will accuse the Republicans of stealing the election. You can't deny that.
No I cant lol
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Old 10-23-2008, 08:13 PM   #63
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No I cant lol
At least you are honest about how blind you are. I will give you credit for that.
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Old 10-23-2008, 08:15 PM   #64
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At least you are honest about how blind you are. I will give you credit for that.
Blind thats funny. Things are so great now, you guys are a trip.Im always honest, its fucking politics at the end of the day.
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:15 PM   #65
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth

The top 1% in this country own 38% of our nation's wealth.

The top 10% own 71%.

The bottom 40% own less than 1% of our country's wealth.

These figures were from 2001, and are undoubtedly more skewed now toward the top 1% and 10%, respectively.

The top 10% own over 71% of the nation's wealth and paid 65% of the taxes. That's hardly a case of "making the rich pay more"
Even though marginal rates are higher at the top, the wealthy in this country don't pay a disproportionate amount in taxes. The percentage of taxes they pay is in direct proportion (or less than direct proportion) to the percentage of wealth they hold.

Even though the marginal rate on the top tax bracket is 3.5 times higher than the marginal rate on the bottom bracket, when you look at what is actually paid (after deductions, loopholes, shelters, etc etc) the wealthy, by and large, pay a smaller percentage of their overall income in taxes than do the middle and lower classes, who don't have the resources to hire attorneys and accountants to get them out of their tax obligations.

Even if that weren't the case, I think it's laughable that people clearing over 250K per year are boo-hooing about paying another 4 cents on the dollar so that we can fix the health care system and pay down our $10 trillion debt, among other things.
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:21 PM   #66
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:25 PM   #67
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Of course, just like if he wins I will take back my assertion that he was unelectable.
Well it would be kind of weird for you to still be saying he's unelectable after he got elected.
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Old 10-24-2008, 08:43 AM   #68
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if he loses you will accuse the Republicans of stealing the election.
You can expect riots in the streets.

The deal with the Obama core is that they'll tell pollsters "YES! I'm gonna vote for Obama!!!" when they get called on these phone surveys, but being a bunch of slackers, they won't actually bother to go out and vote.

They WILL however bother to burn down the Wal-Mart and grab a new TV on the way out "as a protest against the Republicans stealing the election."

We have an old expression in motorsports: "you don't race a dyno"

This won't be over on election day
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Old 10-24-2008, 12:24 PM   #69
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Old 10-25-2008, 07:45 PM   #70
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth

The top 1% in this country own 38% of our nation's wealth.

The top 10% own 71%.

The bottom 40% own less than 1% of our country's wealth.

These figures were from 2001, and are undoubtedly more skewed now toward the top 1% and 10%, respectively.

The top 10% own over 71% of the nation's wealth and paid 65% of the taxes. That's hardly a case of "making the rich pay more"
Even though marginal rates are higher at the top, the wealthy in this country don't pay a disproportionate amount in taxes. The percentage of taxes they pay is in direct proportion (or less than direct proportion) to the percentage of wealth they hold.

Even though the marginal rate on the top tax bracket is 3.5 times higher than the marginal rate on the bottom bracket, when you look at what is actually paid (after deductions, loopholes, shelters, etc etc) the wealthy, by and large, pay a smaller percentage of their overall income in taxes than do the middle and lower classes, who don't have the resources to hire attorneys and accountants to get them out of their tax obligations.

Even if that weren't the case, I think it's laughable that people clearing over 250K per year are boo-hooing about paying another 4 cents on the dollar so that we can fix the health care system and pay down our $10 trillion debt, among other things.
Funny how when you bring facts into the conversation instead of rhetoric all of the supply side tax cut worshippers STFU.
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Funny how when you bring facts into the conversation instead of rhetoric all of the supply side tax cut worshippers STFU.
you bring in facts the righties lose this time lol
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Old 10-26-2008, 12:09 AM   #72
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This end of the porn industry lives off people earning low wages. The vast majority of the people who sign up are on less than $50,000 a year. So putting more money in their pockets brings more money to your pockets.

This was told to me by a porn multi millionaire, in British pounds not US dollars.

A man like me takes a girl to the Bahamas for a week to fuck her.
A multi millionaire takes her to Paris.
A millionaire takes her to the Savoy.
A person on half that takes her to his flat.
A guy on $25,000 buys my mags with your porn pictures in.

Think about that. The more the low paid have the more they have to spend on porn. The more the high paid have to spend the more they can spend on expensive hookers.

It's the trickle up effect working well.
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Old 10-26-2008, 12:16 AM   #73
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If the election were like this

Candidates for Prez and VP

A) Republican: President Adolph Hilter VP Joseph Stalin

B) Democrat: President God VP Jesus Christ

Sticky and his ilk would choose A no doubt just beause of the R next to their names. And that's just sad.
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