Originally Posted by Ambergirl (Post 14926549)

My vote is for the guy most likely to adopt the Fair Tax plan:

www.fairtax.org

It eliminates income tax, social security tax, medicare tax and payroll tax..and eliminates the IRS completely. And moves the country to a consumption tax only.

Originally Posted by Ambergirl (Post 14926549)

My vote is for the guy most likely to adopt the Fair Tax plan:

www.fairtax.org

It eliminates income tax, social security tax, medicare tax and payroll tax..and eliminates the IRS completely. And moves the country to a consumption tax only.

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 14926648)

The question is who would you rather run YOUR biz?
Obama/Biden

The former president of harvard law as well as a proven uniter who works with all people rich or poor.
A VP who is an expert in foreign affiars and is a stable family man who doesnt have millions in the bank.

Mccain/Palin

A self proclaimed Maverick, who has always displayed poor discipline during his time as a poorly rated officer, a hot head who his own supporters have publicly stated that the thought of him having his hand on the button scares them to death. One of the WORST students the academy was lucky enough to try and teach, a horrible fighter pilot who didnt take commands from the tower and crashed his plane multiple times, who has one of the most dangerous types of cancer at age 72, and that brings us to his great choice for VP

Sarah Palin is not worth my time to explain how many problems are clearly visible with her running the entire USA. If your brain dead enough to believe she can sucessfully run our country I have a bridge in Alasaka you might want to buy.

For MY biz I go with the smart guy EVERY time.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14926638)

I got one for you that considering most here work in adult really have to look at. Chances are the next president will pick to supreme court justices, that could effect your business big time.
For someone make $280k I read it would be an extra $770 dollars in taxes. If that runs someone out of business, then taxes weren't their problem. Why do you think Larry Flynt votes Democrat? He is a very rich man,its because he knows first hand the history of porn.
Also trickle down doesn't work, during W more wealth has been created but wages dropped and unemployment was down. Its the middle class that buys our goods and services in the largest numbers.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14926710)

For those like bmb I would strongly urge you to consider voting for a third party...Libertarian is my choice of course.

I think most of you would look at the Libertarian platform and find that all in all its the closest to what you agree with but all that aside if you are ina swing state like Ohio or Florida you will find that vote is highly coveted and giving it to a party that more closely represents your ideas forces candidates in both parties to take you way more seriously in the future.

If you look at the numbers it always boils down to this

You have 40% of the people who will vote Republican no matter what
40% will vote democrat no matter what

that leaves 20% that really swings the election one way or the other, when you have third parties sucking away those votes in doublr digit percentage points like ross perot did you have a very strong voice in that third party (why do you think the republicans jumped on so many of perots ideas (contract with america) etc?

If you really want change it isnt going to come from voting for obama or mccain thats voting for the status quo.

send a message vote third party anywhere you can and vote against the incumbent everywhere else.

Originally Posted by GregE (Post 14926788)

What he said, plus:

1. Obama has gone on record as opposing censorship. Odds are better than even therefore that he'll call the dogs off the industry.
2. Obama is for net neutrality, McCain isn't.
3. Phil Gramm has never been associated with Obama's campaign.

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14926805)

who's phil gramm?

Originally Posted by GregE (Post 14926822)

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14926801)

if everyone would vote there would be a chance for a third party to win, now it just dumps votes from mccain more than likely. I agree the choices aren't that great, and usually aren't unless you're a 'polorized' personality.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14928066)

actually no my second choice would be obama, Im in a state that has recently become "in play" as well so my vote for Bob Barr actually hurts Obama way more than it does McCain, who because of Sarah Palin would never in a million years get my vote.

Do you really want a 17 y/o unwed mother roaming the west wing of the white house?

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 14928468)

If big government is the enemy, then Democrats won't make things better.

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 14928468)

If big government is the enemy, then Democrats won't make things better.

Originally Posted by psili (Post 14928134)

I think I read your posts wrong: You'll vote a 3rd party candidate, which hurts Obama, even though you'd rather have Obama than McCain?

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14925611)

so if you're just a 'flametard' you can pass on this thread pls.

I'm thinking about the candidates for prez and to be honest I'm not really that impressed with either choice. and here's why: they never do a damn thing they say they're gonna do anyway.

now obama says, hey fuck iraq, I'll get the troops home. the reality is it might take him 2 years to get that to happen so it's just bullshit from the jump every time he pops with that. in actuality I doubt if he can get them home any quicker than mc cain.

the jesus bullshit: mc cain has that nut palin for some reason, who knows the real reason for that, and obama was brought up in a white hating black church. he''s got just as many roots in the hard christian right as anybody. who knows what mc cain really thinks.

so now how about experience: mc cain has plenty of connections and experience with biz and goverment, i.e. making shit happen. nothing gets done with out that. sorry, that's just the damn truth of the way it is. now obama has biden, that fucking guy is locked into the whole machine and has been for years.

so right now I'm not seeing any clear advantage with 'political' connections. the only real difference I'm seeing is one guy is taller with a great tan. what's your thinking?

pls no hysteria about gov/big biz/oil money pls... grow the fuck up. that's just the true facts of life and it ain't gonna change in november, no matter who wins. if you think it will you have bigger probs than hanging at GFY :)

-bmb

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14928726)

no you read it right. Im not going to waste my vote by voting for someone who only wants to fuck me, that includes Obama and McCain My vote is going to the party that has EARNED it, the Libertarians. if you wish to waste your vote on more of the same be my guest.
Im not going to vote for the lesser of two shit heads.

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 14928950)

Some food for thought:

Get Ready for the New New Deal

A Liberal Supermajority

Obama to Declare Carbon Dioxide Dangerous Pollutant

That last one is going to hurt - whether you make $20 a year or $250,000 a year.

Originally Posted by psili (Post 14928776)

I guess I don't understand your reasoning. I almost wrote in Mickey Mouse for president on a two page ballot of other stuff I got to vote on. I didn't and picked one of the two I disliked the least; one of the two that have any chance of winning. You said, by choosing a candidate other than McCain or Obama, you're actually helping McCain.

Anyway... at least you voted, man. It's more than a lot of people will do. Apologies on my post.