here's my thinking: the world is at war with us, the middle east with terror and oil and the Chinese and the Russians with financing and oil... we won't admit that on a public level. however it's very obvious to me.

so you're saying that we wouldn't be in the economical crises we are in if the dems had been running stuff? I'm not sure that's true. I am sure jr bush has done some that might not be right however I'm also sure he's probably done a few things right.

If a company goes out of business for tax reasons then they're retarded anyway

fair enough...that's probably what I'll do when I go to vote. :)

I guess you cant teach a lobster to read

Powell has always gone against the grain from republicans... always

But oh well believe what you want.... Powell backs Obama like many other republicans do... Because he is the best choice

.... Funny how just because he is black ... you and BM feel his support is based solely on this fact..... pretty sad

I thank god I have a brain:2 cents:

heh, of course the media is biased:) And I'm not convinced they even know it. I've through giving people credit for being intelligent. hehe.

Who decided it was a valid topic to ask for months "should hillary quit?" for example?

Why has there not been day long, week long, month long questions of "should mccain quit?"?

Some choice answers from back when hillary was being wondered about in this unprecedented way were: For the good of the american people. To end divise negative politics. Because at this time in our countrys history, we should not be fighting amongst ourselves.

god, this election season just needs to be over.

I liked McCain in 2000. THATS when he earned his Maverick label. Go to google and search for "mccain omnibus bill" (without quotes) and you will find his rants from the mid and late 90's all about peoples earmarks and pork stuffed in the annual budget. He was a maverick when he denounced the divisive right wingers and left wingers. Then he unmavericked himself by making up with them so he could get the right vote. He was a maverick when he denounced the tactics of swift boaters and karl rove, then unmavericked himself by saying he'd invite roves advice, taking a donation from him, then making it official that he's an adviser. lmfao.

Look I can't explain in a message why I prefer the dems this time, but it had nothing to do with any attack from any other party. My preference would have been a Clinton/Obama ticket. She got more votes and that was going against the grain, upstream against even the "left" media attacking her candidacy! LOL!

But that didnt happen, so life goes on. I can not vote for Mccain. It's just not in the cards after all of this time.. years and years.. and it's come down to him talking about joe and bill. Not biden n clinton.. the plumber and ayers. He's become what he hates.

I think powell is a smart man, I think he has valid reasons for what he did. the question is do I agree. that's why I started this thread. to get information. GFY actually has a few insightful people posting at times. $.02

maybe, I once read in a financial magazine that one of the hardest issues a company has is to survive taxes in the first 5 years.

and how are comments like this helping anything?

This is the second time you briefly touch upon the importance of being proud, patriotic and fighting for America. It seems a big issue to you and i think to many Americans who vote for McCain.

I'll think about all this, thanks

but, correct me if i am wrong, the taxes will be higher only for the income. the money you take home. so i dont understand how it is possible to hurt a small company.

without America my life would be non existent for sure. I'm sure you've read this before: if you can read this, thank a teacher. if you can read this in English, thank a soldier.

and now a question to you: why are you here? if America is not better why did you come here? I'm not so much interested in fighting for america as I am leaving all those other countries alone and focusing on our own social problems. let the shites and 'whatever the fuck there are' sort out their own problems with out us etc...

you are correct however when someone pulls 30+ % of your profit it does matter :) my advice would be to start a small biz and see how it goes..

Exactly!!!

The tax increase is on individual incomes over 250k

everyone else will recieve a taz break

That is the actual fact of the matter

now... the craziest craziest thing about this is that somehow .... the poorest people who would benefit from the Obama plan have been fooled into thinking that the top down cuts work better for them LMAO LMAO

Joe the whatever would see a tax cut.... not a tax increase

its a shame how easy some people are confused and brainwashed

haha finally someone sets the record straight on the spew of shit from the McSame campaign lol:thumbsup:thumbsup

Wait, these are 2 very different points.

1. The world is not at war with the US. However, there are terrorists pin pointing the US and its' not because of it's "freedom" no matter how much Bush would tell you otherwise. And those that just resent the US don't hate it's citizens, just it's government. It's not hard to figure out why.

2. The economic crisis started before 8 years ago, and the government did nothing to prevent it since. Can you please point out a few things that Bush Jr did right as I am drawing a blank.

BM... you said you wanted to have a sensible thread..... now seriously... lets be sensible mature adults here

You do know that the tax is on personal income over 250k ... not company profits right??


I am sure you know this fact... but why do you insist on smudging the facts and making it to look like something that it is not?

I dont understand... why are you doing that?

I dont remember Powell being very political until he left the Bush administration, before that he was very "military correct".
And I do belive Powell has really valid and good reasons to go with Obama, all i am saying is that the fact they are both "black" probably made the decision easier for Powell.
It can not be ruled out that "skin color" on some level, consciously or not could play a factor in Powell's decision process..

30%? that would be a lot indeed. but i dont think your value is correct or? :)

i am runing my own small biz, and last year i had to pay arround 31% (of my income) to our goverment (taxes). i know how it feels :]

Promises and accomplishments do not always seem to be linked when it comes to Presidents.You can look at what our current President promised in his debates in 2000 with Gore (http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2000a.html) and see that. I am sure you can go further and check each and every Presidents past promises and see how much have actually been kept. In order for a democracy to work the voters must be responsible for finding the facts of the candidates proposals and to then vote based on their beliefs and how each candidate relates to those beliefs. Its often hard to get past the ads and accusations that are on our televisions, radios, computers, phones...but simply voting because one side is louder than the other is not right. Until more Americans start to vote (2004=56.69% 2000=51.31% 1996=49.08% 1992=55.09% 1988=50.11% 1984=53.11%, etc...) and continue holding those elected accountable for their actions there will be no real change in our nationall politics. Get informed and vote, it is each of our responsiblities.

the reason why some countries, goverments, people on the world dont like US is because, you as a strong nation, are operating a lot outside the USA with your military. (i dont want to argue about if it is right or wrong in every case). but its a matter of fact. so, ofcourse if you are very active, you always take the risk that you will do something other people dont like.

atleast thats what i think. has nothing to do with "they hate our freedom".

my2nd

Yeah, like I said, I'm not impressed with either of them

Taxes:
Personal income tax is the amount you declare on your tax declaration every year.
Few people declare 250k or higher since this is after all kinds of deductions such as dependable children and mortgage interest costs etc.

In America most business are either a C corp or S corp.
If you run a C corp, the corp itself is taxed directly and any dividend you take out is personal income and taxed again.
If you run a S corp, all the profit/loss is carried directly into your personal income as taxable personal income.
In other words, there is probably no business going out of business due to taxes, simply as business only pay taxes of profit, not loss.

I disagree, I very much see the world at war with america. I sorta resent the gov myself :)

not really sure what bush jr did right or wrong however no one could do all wrong all the time. the law of averages says he did some right stuff :)

hey, maybe calling the arabs on their BS was the right thing to do? only time will tell.

what I stated was is this the only thing mc cain stands for? is this what the whole election about, at 4% tax increase those who net over $250K sorta hard to fathom really, so why do you keep brining it up?

I am not saying America is not better, certainly it is the land of opportunity.

In a way I think America is to the world what California is to America.

one year my net was around $70-80K and I had to pay around $17K. not really sure what it breaks down too, however it did clean out my cash :)

Prior to being Sec of State, he was a active General and RARELY do Generals even vote for president because and never endorse a candidate as it could be seen as a conflict of interest down the road.

very good points indeed

As for the tax issue, Dems will control congress so McCain's tax plan won't go anywhere and they may even have enough seats to pass their own tax plan without his signature. ;)

actually I don't follow politics and don't watch TV and here you are accusing me of manipulating facts. facts I don't even have BTW...

great analogy. one thing to consider though. California is nothing like LA :)

Right and i was thinking that also, but California is a place where the rest of US somehow think the grass is greener, there are streets lined with palm trees, nice homes and great jobs etc etc. Perception does not equal reality.

like being a pussy shooter :)

that's what I'm thinking... one other point to consider, emotional maturity.

thanks good video :thumbsup

oops double post.

My vote is for the guy most likely to adopt the Fair Tax plan:

www.fairtax.org

It eliminates income tax, social security tax, medicare tax and payroll tax..and eliminates the IRS completely. And moves the country to a consumption tax only.

I got one for you that considering most here work in adult really have to look at. Chances are the next president will pick to supreme court justices, that could effect your business big time.
For someone make $280k I read it would be an extra $770 dollars in taxes. If that runs someone out of business, then taxes weren't their problem. Why do you think Larry Flynt votes Democrat? He is a very rich man,its because he knows first hand the history of porn.
Also trickle down doesn't work, during W more wealth has been created but wages dropped and unemployment was down. Its the middle class that buys our goods and services in the largest numbers.

The question is who would you rather run YOUR biz?
Obama/Biden

The former president of harvard law as well as a proven uniter who works with all people rich or poor.
A VP who is an expert in foreign affiars and is a stable family man who doesnt have millions in the bank.

Mccain/Palin

A self proclaimed Maverick, who has always displayed poor discipline during his time as a poorly rated officer, a hot head who his own supporters have publicly stated that the thought of him having his hand on the button scares them to death. One of the WORST students the academy was lucky enough to try and teach, a horrible fighter pilot who didnt take commands from the tower and crashed his plane multiple times, who has one of the most dangerous types of cancer at age 72, and that brings us to his great choice for VP

Sarah Palin is not worth my time to explain how many problems are clearly visible with her running the entire USA. If your brain dead enough to believe she can sucessfully run our country I have a bridge in Alasaka you might want to buy.

For MY biz I go with the smart guy EVERY time.