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RockDaddy · 11-05-2002, 08:20 AM

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a redirect to a sponsor after the surfer has visited a certain amt. of links -----that's a good fuckin idea I must say.

This means that if you have it set redirect after one site has been visited, that you are stealing their banner and text links also. On a gallery, the thumbs will work because it is the same domain, if surfer clicks any advertising link on someone elses page they are send directly to YOUR sponsor, not theirs.

To see for yourself, check out this Adult Platinum hosted gallery
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=cheer.gallerygenerator.com/
and click one of the links. You don't go to an Adult Platinum site.

TDF · 11-05-2002, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by RockDaddy

This means that if you have it set redirect after one site has been visited, that you are stealing their banner and text links also. On a gallery, the thumbs will work because it is the same domain, if surfer clicks any advertising link on someone elses page they are send directly to YOUR sponsor, not theirs.

To see for yourself, check out this Adult Platinum hosted gallery
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=cheer.gallerygenerator.com/
and click one of the links. You don't go to an Adult Platinum site.

now thats very interesting..

RockDaddy · 11-05-2002, 08:33 AM

Any tgp owner/linksite owner can place this code on all archived galleries/sites and you will foot the bandwith bill and have no chance of making sales.

Theo · 11-05-2002, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by BVF

However, the banner shit won't work and they'll be run out of business..here's why:

--surfer goes to www.xyzporn.com, picks up the banner code from his site.
--surfer then goes to www.cnn.com and sees a PORN banner smack dab on top of the page...surfer will know that something is up. They might even email cnn.com and complain as to why they are seeing a porn banner displayed on a mainstream site. cnn investigates and gets pissed along with ebay, yahoo, etc...goes after this little company and sends them packing.

well said

RockDaddy · 11-05-2002, 08:49 AM

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However, the banner shit won't work and they'll be run out of business..here's why:

--surfer goes to www.xyzporn.com, picks up the banner code from his site.
--surfer then goes to www.cnn.com and sees a PORN banner smack dab on top of the page...surfer will know that something is up. They might even email cnn.com and complain as to why they are seeing a porn banner displayed on a mainstream site. cnn investigates and gets pissed along with ebay, yahoo, etc...goes after this little company and sends them packing.

Maybe we need to expedite this process a little

http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.ftc.gov
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.google.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.cnn.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.yahoo.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.ebay.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.microsoft.com

RockDaddy · 11-05-2002, 08:50 AM

Looks like they blocked the .gov sites

TDF · 11-05-2002, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by RockDaddy

Maybe we need to expedite this process a little

http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.ftc.gov
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.google.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.cnn.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.yahoo.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.ebay.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.microsoft.com

bangbuss on cnn? ya dont say

DragonAss · 11-05-2002, 10:33 AM

Can anyone let me know if they have a problem with this:

http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.bubblegumpussy.com

Thanks...

Jak · 11-05-2002, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by DragonAss
Can anyone let me know if they have a problem with this:

http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.bubblegumpussy.com

Thanks...

Works great. Hope you don't mind, but I grabbed it to use for our Strip Kittens web site and it works like a charm there too.

Thanks!

Jak

DrGuile · 11-05-2002, 10:52 AM

works good.

you dont need to put it in a function and call it in the onLoad.

just make it run right away in the header. its a bit faster.

RockDaddy · 11-05-2002, 11:30 AM

It works but not for those with java turned off.

RockDaddy · 11-05-2002, 11:33 AM

But since all your pages are on the same domain, it doesn't steal your links, just adds the banner on the top.

BradShaw · 11-05-2002, 11:41 AM

Lens, take down that xsites banner and I will be happy to buy that spot. Do you want banners thrown up on your paysites?

Jon · 11-05-2002, 11:49 AM

just because its owned by bigplayers.com doesnt mean they have good intentions.

truthfully, timon is a cool guy, helped us out when we were doing mailings for his sites, but conversion wise they were a lot worse than we expected. kinda makes you wonder why they directed all their xites.com traffic to other sponsors instead of their own sites..

also, the xites.com crap is "free". when someone has something like that for free, you damn well know they are doing something shiesty in return. i think its a cool idea if you were just putting it on your own network, but to service it out to other people is just wrong. i dont give them an estimate of time for how long theyll be around for, but i do think they should stop advertising it here, because we just know better. or at least i hope we do.

my

Fletch XXX · 11-05-2002, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Lens, take down that xsites banner and I will be happy to buy that spot. Do you want banners thrown up on your paysites?

nice.

Has Lens missed this thread?

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Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV

also, the xites.com crap is "free". when someone has something like that for free, you damn well know they are doing something shiesty in return.

I agree

DrGuile · 11-05-2002, 12:00 PM

Its not free

from the FAQ:

:: How do you make your money?

We send a percentage (currently 20%) of the redirects and banner displays to our sponsors. Pop-up window disabling is provided as a courtesy.

...and there you go, they cheat other people sites and they shave you... aint it wonderful?

DrGuile · 11-05-2002, 12:01 PM

also of interest:

:: I operate a sponsorship program, will my webmasters be credited for sales if the surfer they refer is coming in through the XITES® server?

This depends on how your software handles the sign-up counting. XITES® accepts cookies on the surfers behalf and then discards them when the surfer leaves XITES®. When a surfer is sent to a billing company he is automatically exited from XITES®. The result is that if you issue a surfer a cookie and then send him to your 3rd party biller the cookie will be lost when the surfer returns to your "success" page and the webmaster that referred him won't be credited for the sale. In other words: the webmaster account name string must be coded into your join page and passed as a variable to your 3rd party biller or you won't be able to identify which webmaster referred the surfer when he comes back to your success page.

Fletch XXX · 11-05-2002, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by DrGuile

...and there you go, they cheat other people sites and they shave you... aint it wonderful?

20%

Wow.

JohnIP · 11-05-2002, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Lens, take down that xsites banner and I will be happy to buy that spot. Do you want banners thrown up on your paysites?

Lens I?m with Brad on this,we will reup an Ad spot to supplement ,but I?m sure you don?t need it.Insite has already determined that anyone using this product in relationship to our programs will be terminated,monies with held.

Timon and I go way back but this is a use of technology that?s bad for business in general.I think there?s gonna be ALOT more technology services offered to webmasters in the future ,we're working on one ourselves,most will be an enhancement to the industry but this is a poor application of technology?s potential IMO.

J B · 11-05-2002, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

20%

Wow.

The actually changed that... before it was...

'We send a small percentage (currently 3 out of 10) of the redirects and banner displays to our sponsors.'

RockDaddy · 11-05-2002, 12:18 PM

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if you issue a surfer a cookie and then send him to your 3rd party biller the cookie will be lost when the surfer returns to your "success" page and the webmaster that referred him won't be credited for the sale

More situational irony

How many people using this program to steal traffic just realized that you may be getting ripped off also?? lol

DragonAss · 11-05-2002, 11:03 PM

Good deal (that the dinky Jscript works so far).

Anyone is welcome to source and copy it. Too bad it still requires modding each file ... and JavaScript enabled in the browser... and sorta messes with the back button.

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Originally posted by DrGuile
you dont need to put it in a function and call it in the onLoad.

just make it run right away in the header. its a bit faster.

Thanks. I thought about that but decided on the onload function call for a (somewhat stupid) reason. Somewhere in my pea-brain I thought anyone trying to "quick fix" this on the cheater side might just hijack the onload and/or body tag altogether (if I were writing for the other end, that would be my first choice before removing all <script> tags from each page).

I had some other ideas for detecting/correcting the hijack. Unfortunately, to detect this dynamically it has to be done via client-side scripting -- since this program/script could easily masquerade as IE6 or whatever from new sites. An .htaccess will also work but not as easily (the server won't really know it's piping to another server). Anyway, the pea-brain part of me thought these coders might leave the Jscript alone --- which could be useful later even if they do take over the body tag.

Oh well. The more these hijack scripts have to strip out from our page(s), the shittier those pages will look and the sooner surfers will say "go fuck yourself". Not that I could see many surfers being happy with a "web 'O sponsor ads" to begin with.

The good news is that it doesn't have to leech pics:
http://www.bubblegumpussy.com/guests/tgp/006/
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=bubblegu...uests/tgp/006/

... and everything HTML does have to go through their server so they foot roughly an equal bandwidth bill there (if that's any consolation).

The bad news is... hmmm... I'll just say: with a few modifications, this thing could be a real pain in the ass.

Damn cheaters.

Sly_RJ · 11-05-2002, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by JohnIP

Timon and I go way back but this is a use of technology that?s bad for business in general.I think there?s gonna be ALOT more technology services offered to webmasters in the future ,we're working on one ourselves,most will be an enhancement to the industry but this is a poor application of technology?s potential IMO.

So xites was created by the guys behind Big Players? Interesting...

By the way, has anyone seen the banner today? I think I've only seen it once since it went up...

HQ · 11-08-2002, 11:39 AM

http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=cheer.gallerygenerator.com/

"WARNING: Leaving XITES because of remote site configuration

Leave"

How do they do that?

SunTzu · 11-08-2002, 11:55 AM

Hmm, seems as though they're reading the jscript huh?

How about if we put all our anti-cheat scripts in a .js file...

11-05-2002, 10:52 AM	#60
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11-05-2002, 11:41 AM	#63
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11-05-2002, 11:49 AM	#64
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	just because its owned by bigplayers.com doesnt mean they have good intentions. truthfully, timon is a cool guy, helped us out when we were doing mailings for his sites, but conversion wise they were a lot worse than we expected. kinda makes you wonder why they directed all their xites.com traffic to other sponsors instead of their own sites.. also, the xites.com crap is "free". when someone has something like that for free, you damn well know they are doing something shiesty in return. i think its a cool idea if you were just putting it on your own network, but to service it out to other people is just wrong. i dont give them an estimate of time for how long theyll be around for, but i do think they should stop advertising it here, because we just know better. or at least i hope we do. my __________________ WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine...

11-05-2002, 12:00 PM	#66
DrGuile Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,025	Its not free from the FAQ: :: How do you make your money? We send a percentage (currently 20%) of the redirects and banner displays to our sponsors. Pop-up window disabling is provided as a courtesy. ...and there you go, they cheat other people sites and they shave you... aint it wonderful? __________________ LiveBucks / Privatefeeds - Giving you money since 1999 Up to 50% Commission! 25% Webmaster Referal Powered by Gamma

11-05-2002, 12:01 PM	#67
DrGuile Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,025	also of interest: :: I operate a sponsorship program, will my webmasters be credited for sales if the surfer they refer is coming in through the XITES® server? This depends on how your software handles the sign-up counting. XITES® accepts cookies on the surfers behalf and then discards them when the surfer leaves XITES®. When a surfer is sent to a billing company he is automatically exited from XITES®. The result is that if you issue a surfer a cookie and then send him to your 3rd party biller the cookie will be lost when the surfer returns to your "success" page and the webmaster that referred him won't be credited for the sale. In other words: the webmaster account name string must be coded into your join page and passed as a variable to your 3rd party biller or you won't be able to identify which webmaster referred the surfer when he comes back to your success page. __________________ LiveBucks / Privatefeeds - Giving you money since 1999 Up to 50% Commission! 25% Webmaster Referal Powered by Gamma

11-05-2002, 08:33 AM	#53
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	Any tgp owner/linksite owner can place this code on all archived galleries/sites and you will foot the bandwith bill and have no chance of making sales.

11-05-2002, 08:50 AM	#56
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	Looks like they blocked the .gov sites

11-05-2002, 10:33 AM	#58
DragonAss Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Philly, PA USA Posts: 206	Can anyone let me know if they have a problem with this: http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.bubblegumpussy.com Thanks...

11-05-2002, 11:30 AM	#61
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	It works but not for those with java turned off.

11-05-2002, 11:33 AM	#62
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	But since all your pages are on the same domain, it doesn't steal your links, just adds the banner on the top.

11-08-2002, 11:39 AM	#74
HQ Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,539	http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=cheer.gallerygenerator.com/ "WARNING: Leaving XITES because of remote site configuration Leave" How do they do that?

11-08-2002, 11:55 AM	#75
SunTzu Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: the box Posts: 456	Hmm, seems as though they're reading the jscript huh? How about if we put all our anti-cheat scripts in a .js file...