Principles or cold card cash to feed my family : hrmm thats a hard one :)

Well Maybe Lensman didn't check to see what this software does, who cares if they did and approved it anyways. There here to make money and why not take it off these clowns. They probably won't be around long anyways, (read my post at the bottom).

Its their site, there not the internet police and they can do whatever they want. They can EASILY ban this from hurting ANY of there site hosted galleries, as can ANYONE else who has hosted galleries.


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HAHA

Umm.....sorry...no. This isn't an original idea.

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Whats orginal is the way they are using their idea, sure it might be using other technology to work but hey its still new, you couldn't do this 3 weeks ago but you sure can now. And there the only ones doing it, and we're all discussing it so much so YES I believe it qualifies for being a NEW idea.


Here is how far this software is going to go.
Someone smarter than I will make a spyware software program that auto installs like GATOR. And it rewrites every bookmark in Netscape and IE5 and place a big
FAT http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=
infront of each and every bookmark link.

ITS PERFECT, maybe even overwrite the search command with a
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.google.com

Now everytime the person goes surfing everywhere they go in there bookmarks they get porno adds at the top of the page, and every 5-10 domains they search through they get redirected to a nice porn site.

So theres the idea, its gotta be one of the worst ways of using this xites thing yet yet right?

ALl those who would like to use this idea, I have it copyrighted and will sell the copyright for 1 US Dollar. Anyone?

Hehe, I don't give a site about xites i've already banned there software off all my sites, will be interesting to see if indeed the new spywares make use of this type of software, if they need too or not.

Sammy

Whats more iritating if you lok who is behinde all this.

XQ1.NET

Administrative Contact:
@orionent.com
BIGPLAYERS.COM

@ORIONENT.COM

owned and operated by Orion Technologies LLC, a Delaware corporation

So i had the impresion the the Bigplayers would have been a serious Comp. and now this ??

What a big ripoff.
And amazing that they are advertising here. I'm sure companies and sites get screened before they are allowed to advertise.
This program won't survive for a month from now.
And if bigplayers really is behind this I guess they can go close as well.

Bullshit... There are some COMMON SENSE principles which need to be respected in order to keep doing business and work properly with others.

And yes, Adult.com has enough profits and thus for sure also enough freedom to choose from legit ads placements or business threatening ads...

It's just about HEALTHY COMMON SENSE, not internet watchdog...

Sorry, but if ANY party supports this kind of BS with or without advertising, that makes them responsible for the problem we all encounter and will encounter in the futur... Think about it.

Banning the exposure of such programs is better than ignoring the danger and actively/passively displaying such a programm... ;)

Not true. Such a program is found in its simplest form like with using frames, which is almost banned everywhere (at least with most trading sites), not without reason. The program above does precisely that. Framing sites/pages with their own code as header... just in another form. Now that's nothing special, but COMMON SENSE says it's about Abuse of CONTENT (unlicensed) and web authoring code without permission. So who wants that ?


At least content providers + sponsors could start taking action since this kind of business at least does harm content providers.

Which sponsor want to see its content hotlinked/abused for a concurrent company like BigPlayers... ?!? Which sponsor wants to feed their competition's mouth ?

Same thing with webmasters. They decide what will be displayed on their sites and by whom. If they don't agree with the program above, they can at least start blacklisting Bigplayers and their related sites. :thumbsup

RIP OFF is RIP OFF, and i hope they won't stay too much around. :feels-hot

Michael

It's just a shame it even has to come to this. I would expect more from a sponsor (Big Players, if it's theirs) and think I would question the ethics of anyone that had anything to do with or endorsed this type of program.

And following some of the logic on this thread...

Because some kids are selling crack to other kids and since those kids will buy crack anyway, I might as well make a few bucks for myself out of the deal.

there arer three different things being offered. Two of them aren't harmful and one of them is just plain foul.

a pop-up killer - everybody offers these...no big deal

a redirect to a sponsor after the surfer has visited a certain amt. of links -----that's a good fuckin idea I must say.

3. Advertise on other people's websites for free ---- that's the FOUL shit right there.

However, the banner shit won't work and they'll be run out of business..here's why:

--surfer goes to www.xyzporn.com, picks up the banner code from his site.
--surfer then goes to www.cnn.com and sees a PORN banner smack dab on top of the page...surfer will know that something is up. They might even email cnn.com and complain as to why they are seeing a porn banner displayed on a mainstream site. cnn investigates and gets pissed along with ebay, yahoo, etc...goes after this little company and sends them packing.

No response from Lensman?

And sorry to ControlThy for the misunderstanding :thumbsup

Michael

> Bullshit... There are some COMMON SENSE principles which > > > need to be respected in order to keep doing business and work > properly with others.

Well this is my point exactly, are people going to stop dealing with Adult.com or Lensman because he is advertising this xites.com product??? FUCK NO! His programs rock I love em as do many others out there.

So he isn't going to have any troubles so your "working with others" idea is kinda mute in regard to adult.com

Adult.com is advertising a product that can be used for good or bad, think of it this way. Say I own a TGP and I host my own galleries, I don't have to rotate 100's of banners on each site I can just use xite.com software... or if my surfers go through my hosted galleries and click on banners to my paysites(owned by me), after they leave my paysite (not purchasing anything) then I can bring them back to my free site again. So they can see more of my own hosted galleries.

It can be used for good or bad, it has not proven to be illegal yet and so there is no reason not to take there money.

Not saying there product is great or cool, I think it won't last more than 1-2 months before they are shut down, but who knows.

Anyone know how to program spyware? Wanna partnership :)

Sammy

Are people going to stop dealing with Adult.com or Lensman because he is advertising this xites.com product?
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You never know..Word of mouth is very good or can be very bad, once you get a bad rap, it dam hard to recover.
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I think it won't last more than 1-2 months before they are shut down, but who knows.
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I don't think it will last that long.

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Anyone know how to program spyware? Wanna partnership :)
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You must have some very deep pockets.

This means that if you have it set redirect after one site has been visited, that you are stealing their banner and text links also. On a gallery, the thumbs will work because it is the same domain, if surfer clicks any advertising link on someone elses page they are send directly to YOUR sponsor, not theirs.

To see for yourself, check out this Adult Platinum hosted gallery
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=cheer.gallerygenerator.com/
and click one of the links. You don't go to an Adult Platinum site.

now thats very interesting..

Any tgp owner/linksite owner can place this code on all archived galleries/sites and you will foot the bandwith bill and have no chance of making sales. :(

well said

Maybe we need to expedite this process a little

http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.ftc.gov
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.google.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.cnn.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.yahoo.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.ebay.com
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.microsoft.com

Looks like they blocked the .gov sites

bangbuss on cnn? ya dont say

Can anyone let me know if they have a problem with this:

http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.bubblegumpussy.com

Thanks...

Works great. Hope you don't mind, but I grabbed it to use for our Strip Kittens web site and it works like a charm there too.

Thanks!

Jak

works good.

you dont need to put it in a function and call it in the onLoad.

just make it run right away in the header. its a bit faster.

It works but not for those with java turned off.

But since all your pages are on the same domain, it doesn't steal your links, just adds the banner on the top.

Lens, take down that xsites banner and I will be happy to buy that spot. Do you want banners thrown up on your paysites?

just because its owned by bigplayers.com doesnt mean they have good intentions.

truthfully, timon is a cool guy, helped us out when we were doing mailings for his sites, but conversion wise they were a lot worse than we expected. kinda makes you wonder why they directed all their xites.com traffic to other sponsors instead of their own sites..

also, the xites.com crap is "free". when someone has something like that for free, you damn well know they are doing something shiesty in return. i think its a cool idea if you were just putting it on your own network, but to service it out to other people is just wrong. i dont give them an estimate of time for how long theyll be around for, but i do think they should stop advertising it here, because we just know better. or at least i hope we do.

my :2 cents:

nice.

Has Lens missed this thread?

I agree

Its not free



from the FAQ:

:: How do you make your money?

We send a percentage (currently 20%) of the redirects and banner displays to our sponsors. Pop-up window disabling is provided as a courtesy.



...and there you go, they cheat other people sites and they shave you... aint it wonderful?

also of interest:


:: I operate a sponsorship program, will my webmasters be credited for sales if the surfer they refer is coming in through the XITES® server?

This depends on how your software handles the sign-up counting. XITES® accepts cookies on the surfers behalf and then discards them when the surfer leaves XITES®. When a surfer is sent to a billing company he is automatically exited from XITES®. The result is that if you issue a surfer a cookie and then send him to your 3rd party biller the cookie will be lost when the surfer returns to your "success" page and the webmaster that referred him won't be credited for the sale. In other words: the webmaster account name string must be coded into your join page and passed as a variable to your 3rd party biller or you won't be able to identify which webmaster referred the surfer when he comes back to your success page.

20%

Wow.

Lens I?m with Brad on this,we will reup an Ad spot to supplement ,but I?m sure you don?t need it.Insite has already determined that anyone using this product in relationship to our programs will be terminated,monies with held.

Timon and I go way back but this is a use of technology that?s bad for business in general.I think there?s gonna be ALOT more technology services offered to webmasters in the future ,we're working on one ourselves,most will be an enhancement to the industry but this is a poor application of technology?s potential IMO.

The actually changed that... before it was...

'We send a small percentage (currently 3 out of 10) of the redirects and banner displays to our sponsors.'

More situational irony :)

How many people using this program to steal traffic just realized that you may be getting ripped off also?? lol

Good deal (that the dinky Jscript works so far). :) Anyone is welcome to source and copy it. Too bad it still requires modding each file ... and JavaScript enabled in the browser... and sorta messes with the back button. :(


Thanks. I thought about that but decided on the onload function call for a (somewhat stupid) reason. Somewhere in my pea-brain I thought anyone trying to "quick fix" this on the cheater side might just hijack the onload and/or body tag altogether (if I were writing for the other end, that would be my first choice before removing all <script> tags from each page).

I had some other ideas for detecting/correcting the hijack. Unfortunately, to detect this dynamically it has to be done via client-side scripting -- since this program/script could easily masquerade as IE6 or whatever from new sites. An .htaccess will also work but not as easily (the server won't really know it's piping to another server). Anyway, the pea-brain part of me thought these coders might leave the Jscript alone --- which could be useful later even if they do take over the body tag. :winkwink:


Oh well. The more these hijack scripts have to strip out from our page(s), the shittier those pages will look and the sooner surfers will say "go fuck yourself". Not that I could see many surfers being happy with a "web 'O sponsor ads" to begin with. :eek7

The good news is that it doesn't have to leech pics:
http://www.bubblegumpussy.com/guests/tgp/006/
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=bubblegu...uests/tgp/006/

... and everything HTML does have to go through their server so they foot roughly an equal bandwidth bill there (if that's any consolation).

The bad news is... hmmm... I'll just say: with a few modifications, this thing could be a real pain in the ass.

Damn cheaters. :321GFY

So xites was created by the guys behind Big Players? Interesting...

By the way, has anyone seen the banner today? I think I've only seen it once since it went up...

http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=cheer.gallerygenerator.com/

"WARNING: Leaving XITES because of remote site configuration

Leave"

How do they do that?

Hmm, seems as though they're reading the jscript huh?

How about if we put all our anti-cheat scripts in a .js file...