Its called the WHITE HOUSE, remember!

That didn't work, so lets do it this way.. tad lazy to find a proper one :)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PESBcVZM7k8

Yes...this is me
The bad bad dolomite
And im ready to put me in the whitehouse..
Makre me the president,
Im gonna move on my first act
Im gonna get me 2000 raggedy ass painters to paint the motherfucking
Whitehouse black.
Dolomiote...for your president.
Im gonna legalize every motherfucking thing,
Somone ask me how i stand on marijuanna, very high, baby, very high.
How i stand on prostitution? I don't stand on it ... i lay on it.
Im gonna legallize sellin pussy; sell it, sell it, sell your pussy girls.
Pussy will sell'
If pussy don't sell, grits aint groceries, eggs aint poultry, and Mona Lisa is a
Motherfucking man.

Reasons I wont vote for Obama:

1) He voted for the patriot act reauthorization
2) He voted for the fisa bill
3) He illegally voted for the bailout and is calling for even more bailouts
4) He believes threatening Iran is the way to go
5) He believes we should invade Pakistan to "get Osama"
6) His withdraw from Iraq is the exact same plan as Bush and McCains

Why I wont vote for McCain

1) He voted for the patriot act reauthorization
2) He voted for the fisa bill
3) He illegally voted for the bailout and is calling for even more bailouts
4) He believes threatening Iran is the way to go
5) He believes we should invade Pakistan to "get Osama"
6) His withdraw from Iraq is the exact same plan as Bush and Obamas

Sorry I gave you six I guess Ill stop there.

Although I dont agree with you

I must say... I respect the fact that you are the first person to provide some indication of understanding some of the issues:thumbsup


that being said.. Obamas plan on all the above is far diffrent from that of mccain and bush

I agree that his plan may be "different" but with the same outcomes. Less rights, less freedoms and more war.

I should add. That I agree Obama would be "better" than McCain. But that really is not that hard to do. I think a turtle would make a better president than McCain.

I wont vote for Obama because he supports large capital gain and payroll tax increases, large cuts in military budgets, more regulations on business, gun control, opposition to domestic oil drilling, cap and trade carbon reduction taxes, amnesty for illegal immigrants, huge increases in foreign aid, reliance on international law and UN resolutions over US law, and open negotiations with hostile regimes like Iran and Syria.

Just the single act of increasing the capital gains tax to 28% (from 15%), as he proposes, will have a huge negative impact on the markets and investors. Considering the negative market outlook, a significant tax increase on investors is not exactly the best way to pump liquidity into the system.

He has co-sponsored a bill (Global Poverty Act of 2007) which would require the US to spend 0.7 percent of its gross national product on foreign aid (above what we already spend) for 13 years. That is $845 billion which will be administered through the notoriously corrupt UN.

He is on record as saying he will "cut investments in unproven missile defense systems...... slow our development of future combat systems....." These are the same missile defense systems which have been successfully tested and are being implemented in Eastern Europe right now.

His plan for a cap and trade carbon tax system would add significantly to the already high price of gas and would represent the largest tax increase in the history of the country. It would create a huge new layer of government bureaucracy that would have an expensive impact on almost every aspect of your daily life. (Most human activities have a carbon impact).

You combine these things with his past associations with radical leftists and anti-American activist and there are plenty of good reason to vote against Obama. I cannot think of one good reason to vote for him other than it would make it more difficult for the race hustlers and the media to complain about how "racist" the US is.

#1 reason is he is Black

That should be a valid reason too. I think its a reason A LOT of people won't vote that way too.

When you are right, you are right.

this story makes me glad i live in Canada. Just had my shoulder dislocated and it cost me $15 for a sling and that is it.

I have no issue with medical care when its NEEDED but the fact is most of the time you simply don't need it.

Shoulder dislocation is certainly something I'd go to the hospital for if it were free! I would want some pain drugs for sure cause that hurts like hell! Skull fracture I had insurance for but they don't cover alot of shit very well at all. If it wouldn't set me back a ton of cash yeah I would have gone.

So where are we gonna get all this money from? Even tough guys would go in for shit they normally wouldn't. We simply cannot afford this. I'd rather send the money to the education system and get the next generation on the right track!

When debt is piling up like crazy this is simply not something that is possible to achieve. Obama is a politician, he's promising you fools the world and how much of it can he possibly achieve? VERY LITTLE!

Keep drinking the kool-aid idiots because anybody knows that his promises are only that... PROMISES! In the end he's a coward filled with promises he can't back up.

the problem is McCain is old as hell and likely will die in office leaving us being lead by a CRAZY bitch. Play the odds and Obama is simply safer. He'll attempt to rock the boat while in the end not achieving a damn thing. McCain though won't really do anything at all which is HORRIBLE.

double post :(

He is a pretty talker but anyone with half a brain knows he doesn't say anything in his speeches. He obviously has bad agendas.

I think both him and McCain are idiots, both are the wrong vote.

It worked for JFK and he didn't seem too bad.

I don't hate Obama, but I do hate his policies.

1. He is in bed with/ associated with/ backed by/ and/ or connected to alot of far left special interest organizations such ACORN, MOVEON, the unions, etc.. He has the endorsement of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro whp praised Obama. The media reports that numerous foreign polls pick Obama. This is reason alone to stay away from Obama. Many foreigners do not have our best interests at heart.

2. He will raise taxes/ punish wealthy Americans who are the engine of our economy. If you make more than $250,000 a year, bend over and get ready. As taxes increase, look for alot of these people to run overseas for relief, further hurting our economy.

3. He will expand welfare and social programs which have already sapped our country's competitiveness. 50 years of massive entitlements such as welfare, medicare, free healthcare and free education for illegal aliens, government mandated and guaranteed loans for people who cannot afford them --these are the REAL reasons for our current economic problems. I strongly disagree with socialism. The government cannot solve all social problems --especially not by growing government, which cause more problems than it solves.

4. He will weaken our foreign policy and weaken national defense.

5. "CHANGE!?" Joe Biden is the consummate insider. He has been a beltway fixture for 30 years. How does maintaining that legacy give us change? What has he changed? Aside from doing the bidding for the credit card companies, and being the biggest windbag in Washington, what is he known for? Biden is one of the tax and spend liberals in Congress who gave us our current mess. Nobody loves to hear himself talk more than Joe Biden. The thought of having to hear him on the news makes me want to shut off the television.

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Then why not set up clinics and doctors offices to help alleviate potential ER/Hospital congestion?

the problem is the thread starter AND at least 30% of the voting population doesn't have half a brain and the other 70% are FED UP with bush and the bullshit which means at least half of them are sick of McCain since he's just Bush Lite so Obama gets 65% of the vote basically unless something big can happen.

elective treatment

you obviously have eggs cooking in the skillet ... your wife being a nurse.... But I would never give up voluntarely my universal care coverage :2 cents:

They have them... every small town in my area has clinics... You go in there and wait FOREVER in a room full of illegal mexicans and the absolute poorest people just to see somebody who just wants to write a prescription and get you out.

Clinics are ALREADY EVERYWHERE! The problem is if you're poor it IS free but if you're middle class you pay just as much as going to a "normal" doctor.

You do realize that appendicitis until it actually BURSTS is classified as elective don't you? If it bursts you spend 5-7 days in the hospital. If they snip it BEFORE then you're out the next day. ELECTIVE treatments are anything that is not life or death situations which is well... MOST of them. Tonsils need out? get in line

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I had a peritonite ( busted appendicitis ) the day after I was back from Bogota,Columbia .

Feeling bad, I tought I had an exotic disease or something . I was at the hospital, going with my blood tests and so on, till it busted . I was operated within the next hour, not shaved tough since it was an emergency ... I stayed 10 days in the hospital ...

What would have been better with your nurse wife ?

1) His stance on "giving tax breaks to 95% of america" results in paying the 40% of america that already doesn't pay taxes from the hard earned money that you and I pay to the government...Redistribution of wealth? No thank you.

2) I don't believe in half of the crap that has emerged about Obama giving our country away to "islam" once he's president, but he's not as proud of his country as I believe our leader should be. What does this say to other countries if even our leader doesn't like the United States?

3) His determination to raise corporate gains tax is ridiculous. What we need to do is lower the damn tax to get more enterprise into america, not raise the tax to shun them away and force them into other countries. We already have the highest corporate tax in the world...yet we collect almost the least amount of money from corporations than any other country in the world. Why? High taxes result in people finding every way around paying them.

4) His "record" of voting "present" on nearly all of the bills that went to vote while he was a senator in illinois means he can't make up his mind on his own and is fearful of what other people might think of him should he actually make a tough decision. We need someone running our country that isn't afraid to do what's best for the country and not appease everyone with every little thing.

5) He's not an honest person. How can you go to church with reverend wright over 500 times and say that you haven't heard his racist and anti-american sermons? How can you have such bad judgement to hook yourself up with a previous socialistic terrorist named Bill Hiers?...then deny it?

6) How can you force businesses to pay for health insurance? This would be government mandated, and probably put a lot of small businesses out of business...we need to fix the system, not force people to play by the rules.

7) He comes from Chicago. How do you "change" government when you come from a corrupt governmental system? I live in Chicago...I know the way things work here. "Change" my ass.

8) He never admits when he's wrong. He voted against the surge in Iraq, and will not admit that it actually worked. Things since the surge have been infinitely better for our soldiers, and he still will not admit that he was wrong!

9) The media loves the guy and he hasn't proven himself on anything. Period. Even hillary complained about the amount of media coverage that Obama received during the primaries. He has 143 days of "experience" as a US Senator...he hasn't had to make a tough decision that effects a vast majority of americans in the country except the corporate bail out (and that worked so well, right?). How can you trust someone to make major, major decisions when they haven't had to do anything like it in the past? That's like asking a physics 101 student design a damn space ship...impossible.

10) During the debate, he telegraphed his exact plan on dealing with Pakistan should they not agree with our terms for bin laden. Talk about a strategic military operation. That's like telling someone you're going to punch them with your left hand in their face about 5 seconds before you do it. True Presidents would never do such a thing.


I didn't stop at 5 because there's so much NOT to like about this guy. Notice how I didn't use race as a single reason? It has nothing to do with it. The guy is smart and charismatic, but it stops there. We're heading, in the United States, to becoming a third world country...we need someone that knows what to do, someone that will put the right people in their cabinet, and someone that actually cares about the country and is proud of it...not someone that goes to Germany before he's even elected in the primaries and apologizes on behalf of the american people (wtf is the deal with that strategy?).

McCain is not the choice either, but he's the other candidate...it's one or the other, we're bum fucked either way. We needed Romney or Rudy, someone that has actually run either a large scale business or huge city. All I can say gentlemen is welcome to the third world...because we're about to go back to the bartering system.

I'll trade my pencil eraser for 1 day in your sig.

I dont think you are wrong on anything you said.

Things you left out

1) He wants to meet with the Iranian President
2) Bill Ayers
3) Doesn't know that we have 50 states, he said he visited 57... I think he meant
there are more or less than 57 Islamic countries/nations/states in the world
4) James Johnson connection

I don't understand what you are talking about or what this 40% is, so I can't help you with this statement.

What is to be proud of over the last 8 years? He has said more than enough we are a great nation, great people, but the last 8 years has changed things, and he speaks down on that. He is correct in doing so and repeating how Americans feel.

He has no determination to raise corp gains tax. What he stated was, we aren't going to give them tax cuts when they have and already use so many loop holes. After those are corrected, then working on lowering corp tax is good.

We have highest corp tax in the world, but our Companies pay less tax than 95% of all Countries do to the abuse in tax code.

Yep, like most politicians, and middle of the road McCain that isn't right or left. Just think Obama has actually voted more than McCain has.

All his church issues go out the door when Palin came in the picture, holy shit this lady is so far out in right field.. I would totally rather my kids know the truth, that racism does happen, even today, and blacks do have a reason to be pissed. Rather than, tell them the lie of how God zapped us onto the planet, and all this Dinosaurs, Science, bs is Satan doing his dirty work.

Really, the Bill Hiers shit? Did you forget about McCain in the 80s? Him and his group are in big part respoinsbile for Banking/Loans issues we are having now.

Using someone to step on someone else as you move up in the Political business, doesn't make a shit to me. They are ALL dirty in one way or another or they wouldn't be in that game.

Force? If the Gov is offering opt-in health care services, the business has no excuse to offer it to the employee. He never said companies would have to use an insurance company, forced to pay crazy rates that he said companies couldn't afford.

Ok..

The surge in Iraq "DID NOT WORK".... Try looking up the meaning of the word surge and then look at how long we have been in Iraq.

The surge, has not, did not, will not, will never and never did.. work. Right now the reason you aren't hearing anything about war/death, raids, ect.. Is because our troops are SAFE behind base walls and we paid the local leaders to stop.


The media responds to what the people want. Maybe the people want to know more about Obama so they ask the Media to show more of him?

Wait.. Do they show him to much or do the people not know anything about him?

How can you trust McCain when him, directly, helped create the mess we have today?

I heard no "exact" plan, but clear logic. If "Pakistan can't or won't take care of him, we will".

I'm a War and Battle trained Marine. He did NOT talk about anything strategic.

So bush can say, X and X country are evil, and we will deal with all evil countries, even threats, won't talk to them, ect ect.. and that's not a stupid strategic move? Well, that's the same thing McCain wants and it clearly doesn't work.


He was already elected when he went to Germany, he dropped in the polls after it.

Rudy? Hahahahahahahaha... wow. You may want to read up on that clown. And Romney, never.. Ever in a million years - he prob would be good. But I wouldn't want his values ever having a chance of bleeding into mine.


So it's McCain over Obama, both blow ass. With McCain you know it's the same, he has said it over and over, or it's the same as Obama - so you get nothing different either way.

At least with Obama, you take a chance of it being different. Because whatever we have been doing for the last 30-40 years, sure as hell hasn't been correct.

Fact is, racist idiot, that if Obama was white but with the same views and McCain was black you would vote for McCain.

Bill Ayers, James Johnson, My Johnson, whatever Obama might have dealt with or shady things he has done. Doesn't touch McCain, in anyway.... 99% of every bank/loan/eco problem we are having today steps from policies and pressure McCain and his group set into play.

He had visited 57 states, you can't figure out how that is possible? I think he has been to Nevada like 8 times now.

And he didn't say he wants to meat with the Iranian president, he said - we have to met with him, talk to him, use the UN and Euro nations - together, to stop the threat. So if you think that means, him directly sitting down and talking to them, then you are straight fucking stupid.

The problem isn't that it guarantees failure. The problem is that it gives very little indication of how things will turn out.

Like investing in a stock because you like the ticker symbol. You could end up with a profit, or with losses. There's simply no way to know.

I was a kid when he was president, and I was taught that he was the best thing since sliced bread, most likely because I was raised Catholic.

The thing is, that even though I was raised with the idea that he was a great president, I distinctly remember conversations between adults that made it clear to me that not everyone felt the samer way.

Assassination tends to be a pretty high pedestal.

You must not have been reading my posts, I'm AGAINST obama's universal healthcare... I want the appendix ripped out BEFORE it bursts simply because it is cheaper to rip it out early and have you out the next day than it is to have you in for 5-7 or in your case 10!

In a universal healthcare system they put you on a waiting list UNLESS your appendix bursts. Which the stats say that ELECTIVE or non burst appendix you have a 12-15% chance of having to deal with it for 6mnths or MORE unless it does burst which in my opinion means they basically will make you wait until it bursts.

everything he said

and here are 5 more

- ties with shady characters
- michelle obama
- unknown associations
- black liberation theology
- inexperience

Obama '08

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It amazes me that people still think health care = health insurance. And I can not believe that people still think that this is a major issue right now. When/if the dollar goes into hyperinflation I promise you health care/insurance will be the last thing on your mind.

Policies don't win elections.

Absolutely false.

(at least in Canada)

If it needs to come out they do the surgery. Period.

My appendix did not burst, it was found to be basically just rotten. The doctor couldn't believe I went so long without it giving me problems. I went into emergency for "stomach pains" in the afternoon, and that same night they removed my appendix. I had some problems with my recovery which kept me in the hospital for 5 days after. The care I recieved was excellent btw.

Not elective. No charge (as in free) (as in no bill).


This is one subject Fiesta and I agree on, I wouldn't trade our oh so vilified evil universal health care system for anything.


Here it's elective only if there is no immediate medical need for the procedure or it's cosmetic in nature, that kind of thing.

I really am baffled by all those in the US who, although you know full well your health care setup isn't working for all americans, you nonetheless defend it tooth and nail. I won't have outright untruths about my country's system go uncorrected though.

when the first one is,
he voted in favor of the fisa bill,
i dont need four more

its because they listen to the rich pundits.

Some of you people latch on to the stupidest shit for an argument. Obama's slip of saying 57 states was a simple flub, nothing more. This is documented numerous places, but those who still try to pin him as an Arab throw the "57 Islamic Nations" bullshit out every chance they get to strike fear in people.

Read this fucking link, and stop being a dipshit:

http://snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

You know what, you probably won't read it because you don't want to stop spewing your bullshit. So here:

Origins: On the campaign trail in Beaverton, Oregon, in May 2008, an obviously tired Barack Obama mistakenly told a crowd that over the course of the long campaign he had been to fifty-seven states in the U.S., with one left to go:

"... it is just wonderful to be back in Oregon, and over the last 15 months we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty .... seven states? I think one left to go. One left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit but my staff would not justify it."

Talking with reporters at a later campaign stop, Senator Obama expressed concern that he'd recently misstated both the number of potential victims of a recent cyclone in Burma and the number of states he'd visited, saying: "I hope I said 100 thousand people the first time instead of 100 million. I understand I said there were 57 states today. It's a sign that my numeracy is getting a little, uh ..."

Quickly enough, based on the (spurious) rumor that Senator Obama is a Muslim, someone came up with the fanciful idea that his mention of "fifty-seven states" was a reference to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), which has 57 member states. (Actually, the OIC encompasses 60 countries altogether: 57 member states and 3 observer states.)

The actual intent behind Senator Obama's misstatement is easy to discern without the need to invoke an obscure international organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one (i.e., "one left to go," excluding Alaska and Hawaii), but in his weariness he slipped up and started off with "fifty" instead of "forty." (Note the long pause in the video clip between the words "fifty" and "seven.")

So EVERYONE needs to get over the 57 states shit. If that's one of your key points in criticizing Obama, you're fucked.

1) ACORN
2) Bill Aires
3) He's black. I think that puts him at risk as the president.
4) He is for closing offshore corp tax loop holes
5) He received WAY too much money from banks and crooked companies, the same banks and companies that are now needing to be bailed out. McCain received just a fraction from them.

But McCain sucks too.

i don't get this "inexperienced" thing. it's not like he hasn't hundreds of people as advisors and i'm not quite sure if someone like Dubya would have become president if that really counted

do you have anything thats not right wing talking points?

:eek7 Wow...

The experience issue is a ruse and extremely transparent. Understanding of subject matter and judgement along with sound advice from numerous experienced people trumps simple experience alone.

Palin has more executive experience than all other candidates running. Does this mean Palin should be trusted to make better decisions over all the other candidates?

Let's take a soldier who has experience in war on the ground level. Would his experience make him a better commander? Possibly, but I'd put more stock in a reasonable person who has studied the art of war, weaponry, military strategies & tactics, as well as the culture and history of the enemy to make better decisions about how to fight effectively even if he has little or no experience in actual battle. Maybe I'm wrong and most 'grunts' that would make better commanders.

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