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uno	10-13-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 14888994)

This board is insane. No one is personally attacking you just the fact if you are anything but pro Obama you are a rich, arrogant a hole :)

Being a rich arrogant asshole is the only thing that makes sense about a small portion of the people voting republican. I can understand that and it makes sense. It's when "rich arrogant assholes" try to defend other parts of the republican platform that they come off as silly.

uno	10-13-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14892082)

What part of the bill of rights is it listed in?

It could be construed as part of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." :upsidedow

BradM

10-13-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VS_Jeff (Post 14886996)

When has Obama pulled the race card? Maybe I did not see/hear it because I don't own a TV, but I'd love to be linked to an article or video where he is using the race card.

Certainly, if he wanted to, the last debate gave him two separate possibilities of using the race card...1.) When McCain called him "that one"; 2.) When McCain told the only black guy in the audience that he probably has never heard of Fanny Mae or Freddie Mac

And to be perfectly clear - there are lots of people that are not voting for him because he is half black. But when he gets into office, I see him doing more good for those people than McCain could do in 20 years of office.

To answer the OP -

One word - Palin. Putting all my other reasons aside, I stopped trusting McCain's judgment when he picked Palin as his running mate. Whatever he, or the Republicans, want to say, we all know in our heart of hearts that he picked her for votes, and not for anything else. Had he picked a legitimate VP / successor, my vote wouldn't have been swayed so quickly. I mean, it's not like being the VP means you call a lot of shots...but she'll be calling enough that it scares the hell out of me what some of the shit she has on her agenda will do to the country. Maybe if McCain would address "the Palin question", and tell us exactly what she will be doing, and how/why she is capable of doing that/those things, I'd feel a little more comfortable with it.

And secondly - God forbid McCain gets elected and has some health complications, and that no-nothing, hockey mom is put in charge of our country. There is no denying McCain is an old man -he'll be 73 next year. Most 73 year olds that I come into contact with are barely capable of pissing on their own, let alone leading the most powerful nation in the world out of economic and social despair. So I definitely give McCain tons of credit, and pay him great honor that he is as capable as he is, but look at pictures of Bush in 2000 vs. today. Or Clinton before he assumed office, and after. T he office of the president ages you a ton, and puts all kinds of mental and physical strain on your body. I just don't have faith in McCain being able to hold up the entire term.

Great post. I agree.

LisaWP

10-13-2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 14891983)

Health care is a right

Really? When did that amendment pass?
Is food a right too? How about shelter?
Do we all have a right to free food & free houses now?

Eventually everything will become a right. Soon, people will demand FREE PORN and we will be forced to provide our goods & services at no cost. After all, it will be a "right".

Government sanctioned theft.

I suggest you read Atlas Shrugged.

LisaWP

10-13-2008 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 14888969)

I understand that tax increases and inevitable in this economy.

I do not understand that at all. Raising taxes during a recession or depression is only a good idea if your goal is prolong the pain and suffering.

tony286

10-13-2008 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14892082)

What part of the bill of rights is it listed in?

Do you have health insurance? Does dixie have health insurance?

kane	10-13-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LisaWP (Post 14892233)

While I don't think everything in this country should be a "right" I think I should be allowed to expect certain things for my money. If I hire an employee to work for me and they don't preform as I want I can fire them. If I buy a product and it doesn't work I can take it back and get my money back. It is pretty common for people to expect something in return for their investment into something or someone.

I don't see an amendment in the constitution that states that I as a citizen I am required to pay about 25% of my income in federal taxes. I don't see an amendment in the constitution the requires me to pay taxes on many of the products I buy. But these things exist and in many cases I don't have a choice but to pay them. I don't pay my taxes, I go to jail. It is that simple. So if I am forced to pay taxes is it wrong of me to expect something in return for my money? I personally don't want them giving my money to companies that use that money to ship jobs overseas. I don't want them to give my money in aid to countries that don't like us. I don't want them to use my money to support "faith based" education and charity. But they do. We can pick and choose how we personally would like to see our money spent. If I had it my way they would not give money to other countries that hate us or to companies that don't support the workers of this nation or to religous whack jobs who want to "educate" people on how birth control is bad and I would rather see them use that money to create some kind of health care system so anyone who is a citizen can get at least their basic health care needs met. Call me crazy but I think investing in the health of the country is better than spending billions aiding countries that don't like us.

If the government doesn't want me to expect certain things of them that is perfectly fine with me. Just give me most of my money back and I will shut up.

stickyfingerz

10-13-2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by uno (Post 14892202)

It could be construed as part of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." :upsidedow

Interesting. I need to go the supreme court and argue that the only thing that makes me want to live and be happy is a 17 girl orgy.

OH WAIT! Can the Government even guarantee the "life" thing? :winkwink:

stickyfingerz

10-13-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14892279)

Do you have health insurance? Does dixie have health insurance?

Wait you mean the Gov should pay for that? :Oh crap

LisaWP

10-13-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 14892307)

I don't see an amendment in the constitution that states that I as a citizen I am required to pay about 25% of my income in federal taxes.

Check the 16th amendment. The original income tax was 1%. They just kept raising it.

Scootermuze

10-13-2008 03:35 PM

1. A billionaire republican brought Obama and Ayers together.. and funded Ayers' school project.. They also gave money to Romney, Thompson, and other repub presidential candidates.. These guys had no problem accepting money from someone who had ties with the former terrorist...

2. Hannity has had it in for Obama since he started campaigning.. He'll twist things anyway he can that makes him happy.. and keeps running the staged 'interview' with Palin/McCain hoping it helps..
I think he has a hard on for Palin... He and Ann Coulter are the bottom of the pit on Fox..

3. McCain may not be the hero that he keeps claiming to be.. Believing this is up to you.. I'm sure there will be 'tin foil hat' yells, but this is worth browsing through.. Makes no difference to me if ya believe it or not.. draw your own conclusions..

tony286

10-13-2008 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14892333)

Wait you mean the Gov should pay for that? :Oh crap

no I asked you a question?

kane	10-13-2008 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LisaWP (Post 14892334)

Check the 16th amendment. The original income tax was 1%. They just kept raising it.

If they want to lower it back down to 1% I would expect next to nothing from the government. :)

kane	10-13-2008 03:50 PM

What I would most like to see is a health insurance system that allowed everyone to participate. I am self employed and I have asthma. Most health insurance companies will not accept me and those that will will not cover anything asthma related. If I have a regular job with a company I could get insurance no questions asked and they would cover anything.

I understand it to a point. If I actually use the insurance they would lose money on me if they just sold me an individual policy whereas when I am part of a company they have many others that they make money off of to offset the losses they might have on me. I would love to see some kind of system that created a pool where anyone who wanted could buy a policy and get coverage and everyone nationwide that bought a policy was in the same pool. They could even provide it free for those who had no means of paying (say you were laid off or were in school or just got a job and were still on the probation period.) It would allow for everyone that has no coverage now (some 45 million people) to be grouped together and get coverage and it would not cost the government as much as if they tried to provide free health insurance to everyone in the nation.

This is really only touching the problem the health insurance industry has, but it is a start. The real trouble is not those that are not insured. They can get care if they need it. It is those that have coverage and when they need it their claims are denied.

tony286

10-13-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LisaWP (Post 14892178)

I guess thinking that makes it easy for you to dismiss another point of view.
I would never vote for Obama because of the following:

Obama agreed with the fact that every time taxes have been cut, it generates growth and increases revenue. Yet, he plans to raise taxes on the very same folks who run small & large businesses which create jobs and growth. Obamas tax plan will increase our cororate taxes by almost $100,000 a year.

It is a simple survival vote for me. Obama will kill small business if he gets his tax plan passed. Keep taking from the so-called rich. After all, you can always go get a job from a poor person.

That is a myth lower taxes dont create jobs.More wealth has been created during bush but wages and jobs have dropped. We also have a huge deficit and that was before the bail out

uno	10-13-2008 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14892314)

I don't know why you'd need to see the Supreme Court for a 17 girl orgy. Chase that all you like in your pursuit of happiness.

Drake

10-13-2008 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LisaWP (Post 14892268)

I do not understand that at all. Raising taxes during a recession or depression is only a good idea if your goal is prolong the pain and suffering.

He's not going to implement his tax plan until the economy recovers. He has said as much in interviews that doing so could harm the economy.

As I see it, both candidates are increasing taxes. They're just doing it in different ways - the front door, back door, side door, and chimney.

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