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aico 10-12-2008 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 14887512)
SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK
OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM EST. HE STATED ON THE AIR THIS EVENING THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS. HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA'S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc., HE STATED THIS EVENING THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETAIL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we
all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE STATES! HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA'S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE. THIS WILL BE A NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~ SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM. HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS AMERICANS, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA!! THIS IS SERIOUS,EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY.
Too bad no one with half a brain watches Fox news... they're just preachin' to the choir.

robfantasy 10-12-2008 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RP Fade (Post 14887571)
Dude you're entitled to your opinions, social views, racial biases and political partisanship but this 'conspiracy theory' is just ridiculous and the stupidest thing I've heard of my whole life. You seriously think that Obama simply slipped under the radar his entire life and continued to do so while he was in senate and now has everyone fooled running for president? You think the FBI, CIA, and all other investigative and vetting agencies/individuals simply overlooked all this and or are in on it? I mean you go thru a complete and thorough background check when you apply to a police department or FBI. What do you think Senators and politicians go thru let alone someone running for the most powerful position in the world. I have friends applying for citizenship and they even knew about their traffic tickets in Europe..

I understand that as a republican, you're jumping on the bandwagon and this seems like all the strategy the Reps have left to change the momentum, because everything else is just not working. But what gets me is do you even think about what you're saying? Blind partisanship without thinking for yourself whether you're a Dem or Rep is just stupid. That's like watching a bunch of your friends jumping off a roof and you're just following them blindly because they're doing it.

Blind partisanship simply does not work and does not do anyone any justice, which is why I'm independent..
u are wrong about this, that is what is so outrageous about this whole situation

obama couldnt pass a security clearance to be in the FBI or to even be in secret service to protect the president.

the candidate is just a tool for the party to get in power.

obama hasnt even come up with a valid birth certificate to prove he was born in this country and that disqualifies him alone.

robfantasy 10-12-2008 01:41 PM
things are so fucked up right now its beyond belief.

NaughtyVisions 10-12-2008 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 14887512)
SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK
OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM EST. HE STATED ON THE AIR THIS EVENING THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS. HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA'S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc., HE STATED THIS EVENING THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETAIL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we
all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE STATES! HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA'S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE. THIS WILL BE A NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~ SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM. HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS AMERICANS, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA!! THIS IS SERIOUS,EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY.
What? I couldn't hear you. Could you speak up a bit? :upsidedow

mmcfadden 10-12-2008 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 14887512)
SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK
OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM EST. HE STATED ON THE AIR THIS EVENING THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS. HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA'S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc., HE STATED THIS EVENING THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETAIL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we
all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE STATES! HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA'S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE. THIS WILL BE A NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~ SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM. HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS AMERICANS, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA!! THIS IS SERIOUS,EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY.
2 hours till this one. Knowledge can fuel decisions

Poindexterity 10-12-2008 04:11 PM
because you either,
a- dig the fisa bill
or
b- didn't hear about it

Drake 10-12-2008 04:17 PM
Because half the stuff being said about him by McCain/Palin/Surrogates/supporters are ridiculously outrageous and verifiably false. eg. half the claims in this thread have been debunked a gazillion times already

Because McCain demonstrated his judgement by choosing Palin as a running mate. It's shortsighted and dangerous. While Obama is far from ideal, Palin is an utter trainwreck.

Because Obama at least has the edge of being a symbolic gesture. No matter who wins, we're going to stay in the middle east. Taxes are going up no matter what eventually. Whoever gets in is going to be highly constrained because there is no money to fund projects they're proposing.

Drake 10-12-2008 04:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 14886454)
I'm not voting for Obama because I want a president you can criticize without being labeled a racist.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh Give me a break.

Just shy away from calling him a Muslim or terrorist and you should be ok. Policy is and has always been fair game.

NaughtyVisions 10-12-2008 05:20 PM
So is tonight's Hannity special going to be anything like that "ground-breaking" report he did called "'Obama and Friends: The History of Radicalism?"

You know, the one that garnered such "high praise" from other media outlets, such as this article in the LA Times:

Fox News' faux documentary sets new low

Here's some nice excerpts from that article:

Even by the low standards of this election's advocacy journalism, the program plumbed new depths -- relying on innuendo and guilt by association to paint the Illinois senator as a dupe of the shadowy forces of the left.

Much of Hannity's report was based on interviews with half a dozen partisan commentators, whose main qualification seems to have been a previously expressed disdain for Obama.

In reference to his claim that a "community organizer, in Barack Obama's case, was somebody that was in training for a radical overthrow of the government," Andrew Martin said this:

"I do involve with the facts," he began, "but when the facts aren't all there, and the perpetrator has concealed all the facts and is basically refusing to testify, you are allowed to draw an adverse inference."

It sounds to me as if he's saying: When you can't prove something, you're allowed to make stuff up."

Gee, I hope tonight's program is as enlightening! :thumbsup

mmcfadden 10-12-2008 05:59 PM
Show Time... starts in one minute!! FOX NEWS

brassmonkey 10-12-2008 06:05 PM
damn a political porn forum board war

Rorschach 10-12-2008 06:10 PM

GatorB 10-12-2008 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 14885469)
Would like to get back to Obama opinions for a quick second.

I read alot of articles, News, and some boards pro Obama and not. Here's my fucking problem...

Obama's wife publicly stating "This is the first time I'm proud to be an American"... meaning her husband is now a canditate. Freudian slip in my opinion... this is our potential first lady. I don't see too much talk about this one and think it should be reiterated.

Let alone Obamas' credentials, shady affiliations, 95% population will get tax cuts (bullshit... credits aka welfare), the squeeze on entrepenuers (btw... these are the people who stimulate the economy with jobs)... it just goes on and on.
Please educate yourself about BOTH Obama and McCain before voting or don't vote. Please show me where Obama would "squeze" entrepenuers? Everything I read it would be the exact opposite. Anyone wanting to give out "welfare credits" is McCain.

mmcfadden 10-12-2008 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14888545)
Please educate yourself about BOTH Obama and McCain before voting or don't vote. Please show me where Obama would "squeze" entrepenuers? Everything I read it would be the exact opposite. Anyone wanting to give out "welfare credits" is McCain.
Just finished watching. The points made are serious and will be exposed in the next two weeks.

BTW... the squeeze on 250k or above is probably the most documented proposal in this debate...

kane 10-12-2008 07:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 14888722)
Just finished watching. The points made are serious and will be exposed in the next two weeks.

BTW... the squeeze on 250k or above is probably the most documented proposal in this debate...
Hannity makes me want to tear my eardrums and eyes out, but I am curious. What are the serious points that were made?

tony286 10-12-2008 07:21 PM
Actually it really doesnt kick in until 600k, do you make 600k? If not you really dont have to worry.

mmcfadden 10-12-2008 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kane (Post 14888753)
Hannity makes me want to tear my eardrums and eyes out, but I am curious. What are the serious points that were made?
I don't really like him either... way too much makeup

mmcfadden 10-12-2008 07:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14888755)
Actually it really doesnt kick in until 600k, do you make 600k? If not you really dont have to worry.
?? every article indicates 250K or above... please post the links

GatorB 10-12-2008 07:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 14888722)
Just finished watching. The points made are serious and will be exposed in the next two weeks.

BTW... the squeeze on 250k or above is probably the most documented proposal in this debate...
Um MOST small businesses make UNDER $250K. Show me the 50% tax on small business please. LINKS

Tyler245 10-12-2008 07:44 PM
really dont care for Obama.....or McCain....but rather McCain...IMO

NETbilling 10-12-2008 07:50 PM
My Friends (I hate how McCain calls everyone that),

I am all for change and really like many of the ideas that Obama has and obviously he is very intelligent and a good people manager as well. However, tax increases for people and businesses making over $250k some of the other tax hikes he has proposed will certainly effect me both personally and in business. This scares me.

I do not plan to vote for the Maverick but am worried about what may happen with Obama in there as well. Can anyone offer any educated comforting words about his proposed tax policies?

Thanks, Mitch

stickyfingerz 10-12-2008 07:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 14888841)
My Friends (I hate how McCain calls everyone that),

I am all for change and really like many of the ideas that Obama has and obviously he is very intelligent and a good people manager as well. However, tax increases for people and businesses making over $250k some of the other tax hikes he has proposed will certainly effect me both personally and in business. This scares me.

I do not plan to vote for the Maverick but am worried about what may happen with Obama in there as well. Can anyone offer any educated comforting words about his proposed tax policies?

Thanks, Mitch
No I doubt anyone can.

tony286 10-12-2008 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 14888841)
My Friends (I hate how McCain calls everyone that),

I am all for change and really like many of the ideas that Obama has and obviously he is very intelligent and a good people manager as well. However, tax increases for people and businesses making over $250k some of the other tax hikes he has proposed will certainly effect me both personally and in business. This scares me.

I do not plan to vote for the Maverick but am worried about what may happen with Obama in there as well. Can anyone offer any educated comforting words about his proposed tax policies?

Thanks, Mitch
You're buying half a million dollar cars and you are worried about a few more dollars in taxes? Fighting terror costs money, chances are your taxes are going up no matter who is in office. Remember Mccain was the one who said lowering taxes during war time was stupid, that was real mccain not mccain who wants to get elected.Mccain's good friend was charles keating. Charles was part of the antiporn movement that tried very hard to put larry flynt away for life. W laid the frame work, so for john and the church lady to really screw with our industry isnt a big jump.

mmcfadden 10-12-2008 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14888871)
You're buying half a million dollar cars and you are worried about a few more dollars in taxes? Fighting terror costs money, chances are your taxes are going up no matter who is in office. Remember Mccain was the one who said lowering taxes during war time was stupid, that was real mccain not mccain who wants to get elected.Mccain's good friend was charles keating. Charles was part of the antiporn movement that tried very hard to put larry flynt away for life. W laid the frame work, so for john and the church lady to really screw with our industry isnt a big jump.
Fighting terror is the question. This point is going to be hammered in the days leading up.

Not just the shady affiliations with Obama... his ability (EXPERIENCE) that carries the credibilty

tony286 10-12-2008 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 14888880)
Fighting terror is the question. This point is going to be hammered in the days leading up.

Not just the shady affiliations with Obama... his ability (EXPERIENCE) that carries the credibilty
He has no shady affiliations, stop watching faux news. George Bush had people with over 100 yrs of experience and look how they have fucked up this country.

Sausage 10-12-2008 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 14888841)
My Friends (I hate how McCain calls everyone that),

I am all for change and really like many of the ideas that Obama has and obviously he is very intelligent and a good people manager as well. However, tax increases for people and businesses making over $250k some of the other tax hikes he has proposed will certainly effect me both personally and in business. This scares me.

I do not plan to vote for the Maverick but am worried about what may happen with Obama in there as well. Can anyone offer any educated comforting words about his proposed tax policies?

Thanks, Mitch
I hate how every election in most countries one side of politics plays the "Lets tax the rich more" card. You lost 1 of the rich from the country and 10+ of the poorer are needed to meet the tax shortfall. Though one party always does it because its popular amongst the monkeys who live from payday to payday.

tony286 10-12-2008 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 14888952)
I hate how every election in most countries one side of politics plays the "Lets tax the rich more" card. You lost 1 of the rich from the country and 10+ of the poorer are needed to meet the tax shortfall. Though one party always does it because its popular amongst the monkeys who live from payday to payday.
Well for 8 yrs its been taxing the rich less, how is that working?

NETbilling 10-12-2008 08:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14888871)
You're buying half a million dollar cars and you are worried about a few more dollars in taxes? Fighting terror costs money, chances are your taxes are going up no matter who is in office. Remember Mccain was the one who said lowering taxes during war time was stupid, that was real mccain not mccain who wants to get elected.Mccain's good friend was charles keating. Charles was part of the antiporn movement that tried very hard to put larry flynt away for life. W laid the frame work, so for john and the church lady to really screw with our industry isnt a big jump.
Tony - I am not buying half a million dollar cars. You must be getting me confused with some other billing company owners.... I understand that tax increases and inevitable in this economy. However, to be singled out because I have a successful business is what I do not agree on. Either raise them for everybody or nobody. Please keep in mind that I do not like McCain/Palin at all but the alternative is scary too.

Mitch

junkiefans 10-12-2008 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 14885480)
already voted early ballot:thumbsup OBAMA '08
so did i

OBAMA

junkiefans 10-12-2008 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by evildick (Post 14885544)
She was most likely taking a jab at Bush, meaning she was not proud of the direction he took the country over the last 8 years.

Not the wisest thing to say, but I think it is clear what she meant.
yup

not many are proud that bush has flushed this great country down the drain

mmcfadden 10-12-2008 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 14888969)
Tony - I am not buying half a million dollar cars. You must be getting me confused with some other billing company owners.... I understand that tax increases and inevitable in this economy. However, to be singled out because I have a successful business is what I do not agree on. Either raise them for everybody or nobody. Please keep in mind that I do not like McCain/Palin at all but the alternative is scary too.

Mitch
This board is insane. No one is personally attacking you just the fact if you are anything but pro Obama you are a rich, arrogant a hole :)

Sausage 10-12-2008 09:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14888953)
Well for 8 yrs its been taxing the rich less, how is that working?
Seems to be working quite well.

Your current economic woes aren't because of taxes, and any suggestion that the tax system is even partially responsible for the problem economy is absurd.

germ 10-13-2008 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14887711)
obama hasnt even come up with a valid birth certificate to prove he was born in this country and that disqualifies him alone.
http://www.fightthesmears.com.php5-9.../images/28.jpg

germ 10-13-2008 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 14886198)
One "fact" is Obama's relationships. When have we had a President proven to have known relationships with terrorists? then deny (lie) about it.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/22/AyersSmear

tony286 10-13-2008 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 14889014)
Seems to be working quite well.

Your current economic woes aren't because of taxes, and any suggestion that the tax system is even partially responsible for the problem economy is absurd.
Really the deficit is how high even before the bailout? You don't think all the borrowing this country has been doing from china hasn't helped this.

tony286 10-13-2008 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 14888994)
This board is insane. No one is personally attacking you just the fact if you are anything but pro Obama you are a rich, arrogant a hole :)
Mitch isnt an asshole at all he is a very good guy and a straight shooter in this business.

TheSenator 10-13-2008 02:43 PM
Health care is a right

uno 10-13-2008 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14887711)
u are wrong about this, that is what is so outrageous about this whole situation

obama couldnt pass a security clearance to be in the FBI or to even be in secret service to protect the president.

the candidate is just a tool for the party to get in power.

obama hasnt even come up with a valid birth certificate to prove he was born in this country and that disqualifies him alone.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Don't you ever get tired of being completely wrong?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

stickyfingerz 10-13-2008 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 14891983)
Health care is a right
What part of the bill of rights is it listed in?

LisaWP 10-13-2008 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 14885568)
Good thing most anti obama people are extreme retards lmao:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

carry on

I guess thinking that makes it easy for you to dismiss another point of view.
I would never vote for Obama because of the following:

Obama agreed with the fact that every time taxes have been cut, it generates growth and increases revenue. Yet, he plans to raise taxes on the very same folks who run small & large businesses which create jobs and growth. Obamas tax plan will increase our cororate taxes by almost $100,000 a year.

It is a simple survival vote for me. Obama will kill small business if he gets his tax plan passed. Keep taking from the so-called rich. After all, you can always go get a job from a poor person.


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