thanks for explaining !

I Invented BUlk Keywords for video clips.

it confuses a LOT of people. Avid promotion gets mistaken for it being a superior product.

Anyway I have Joseph from vidiscript on IM and he's going to do his best to get user registration and user uploads as a SIMPLE on/off type setup since it currently does NOT have that.

If they can get that together this weekend You guys could be in for a hell of a treat next week.

I've run into some problems with embedding nubiles since they have an average of 3 clips per insert. Instead of heavily modifying my tube I'm going to use the playlist method and a .PHP file on MY server. When I port this to some other scripts if they support multi files I won't bother using the playlist on my server.

Right now i'm focusing on tuning the current feeds that work and getting them ready for production usage so I can release something tonight. I plan on offering it at a DISCOUNTED rate for the first 48 hours after release.

I use entertainmentscript and have just installed vidiscript. The entertainment script I have used for almost a year now and have never had any major problems with it, If you want a script that allows plugs, embeded and uploads to be turned on or off plus a link tracking list a cache which you can manually or set to update depending on the amount of users. It also has a download link for your affliates at the bottom of the clip. Plus a very easy template editor which is in the admin section plus a load of other features then go for that. For me it is perfect plus it was a breeze to install.

The vidiscript I have just installed and it also seems pretty good. It has its problems like any new script but my first impressions of it is its also pretty good for a free script. They give you the script for free and sell you addons. I have so far purchased the brand removel and will buy the power player so all together the script will cost me $76.95 in the end.

That's what I expect. :-)

I think that there is room in the market for paid scripts with lots of features as well as free scripts that people can use to make money on just like they use teh free program WordPress to create blogs. And some scripts will be free for the basic script but them the advanced features will cost extra.

i've had quite a few clients using TEVS...that's all i can say :)

The only mention of a free script was I could EASILY code a script with all of the features of TEVS in just a few days of work.

The time consuming part is importing the data from the SPONSORS which I do NOT plan on giving away.

I wouldn't have any problem giving away a basic script if it meant selling more copies of the sponsor import. Like I've said I can a TEVS clone in just a couple of days. If it means selling a bunch of copies of the sponsor import which otherwise might not have sold is totally worth it.

Many people are picking and choosing what parts of what I've said to focus on.

My TUBE script is $40 but I am not even trying to promote that! I am focusing on getting sponsored content onto tubes which otherwise would NOT bother. If there is one thing to focus on that should be it!

I'm not here to debate if allowing user uploads is right or wrong. I want EVERY major system to be able to quickly import sponsored videos! That is the only thing TEVS does and honestly it doesn't do it very well but it does do it in a SIMPLE way. Nubiles import is far more powerfull but its hard to use and doesn't look good.

You guys have been paying $250 a pop for a script that doesn't really do anything other than import sponsored videos. Why not pick what actual SCRIPT fits your needs the best? At no point have I stated how much I'm going to charge for this import system. What I am saying though is subtract the sponsored video import tools from TEVS and you have an incredibly basic script which even FREE ones are superior.

if $250 a pop for a basic script with these import tools is "fair" how much would a good script with import tools be worth? Some of the tube scripts I have plans to code imports for are $200+ BY THEMSELVES! I have k0nrad on my list and will even be coding an import into THAT system. His script is like $600. My goal is to get EVERYBODY to step up their game. if I get my import system on enough scripts I can then leverage and poke SPONSORS more into adopting feeds for nubiles and STXT. My long term goal is to make it so that anybody who wants to use sponsored videos will quickly be able to use them.

Hating on a script just because it allows people to upload content is WRONG. It is up to the developer to create the tools people want. Scripts should have as many features as possible and have options to turn features on/off depending on the site.

I think that you are on the right path. License your basic script free and charge for the sponsor import tool. If you can get most of the big sponsors to support it, then it would be worthwhile for those webmasters who want to be able to import sponsor videos easily to pay for it. And for those that don't or those who aren't ready for that feature yet you will at least get a bigger installed base of your script. I look forward to seeing it.

My format isn't dead.... It's there ready for anyone to use.

It's more about the information and groundwork then me going out there and making
people use it.... Was going to make a free tube script but I've got other things to go on
with for the next few months.

Personally I think it's the only really thought-out format with the others being a bit weak
on the forward thinking. While it complies with standards. So the ground-work is there in
a structured way that fits together with current and future as far as changes to Flash
MPEG4 support, pre-rolls and other things that haven't made it into tube sites just yet.

Really I think if you want to get feeds for all the sponsors then your best bet is to
aggregate them into one site that then takes a split on the refcodes. However means a
lot of running around getting keywords and descriptions for content from sponsors who
aren't so well organised.

-Ben

btw.... Zorgman is both a very amateur coder, and a wanker. :-P

-Ben

I was planning on tracking you down on ICQ or something this weekend. Glad you're around. What I think has to happen is somebody with a VOICE to show the sponsors its worth the 15 minutes to code a simple PHP script that'll spit this output out. I believe that when I can get a solid base together it will help me have a louder voice. Your standard has been sitting there basically and STXT also put one together.

Nubiles CSV export is nice but XML is where its at since CSV is well.... not clean at all!

I have been MANUALLY processing feeds from quite a few different sponsors and putting them into a format I can use. One of the things that piss me off about the TEVS import tools is they don't use the categories provided by the sponsor. Most sponsors keep these feeds completely in the members area which will make it a bitch since I have to manually go in every so often to update the feed.

Shit even if they could set me up with a password protected directory with this simple XML dump I can use CURL to login and if like only I have that login then they still keep these lists out of public consumption.

You need to get all the sponsors on board, that's the hard part because we all know
your system will work.

One thing i'll say about nubiles tube is the admin is actually pretty easy i thought. I love the channels feature and the gallery spider is bad ass! It lacks a lot of other stuff on the front end.

Never used tevs, wont comment on that :)

I use farked's ES script on one site and the load on that site is very very low with the cache features. :thumbsup

Whenever you tube coders decide on what format you want jlmk.

My script will output any format that's in use atm.

As far as I know there are no tube scripts that read a xml feed is there?

Someone comes up with a tube script that reads an xml feed let me know, i will get it done.

(Just like I did when TEVS format came out and Nubiles format,)

You guys have to come up with what format you want or need first.

So what tube scripts read xml feeds right now?

I'm using the nubiles one on http://www.youngchickz.com/tube. It's actually fairly decent for a free script. More options would be better, but can't really complain since it's free.

having single domain licenses is a total turn off

if I buy a script and spend the time to put it through its paces I better be able to put it on any of my domains at any time and not have to pay a license fee for each domain, otherwise I'm not interested at all :2 cents:

Either XML format from Mr Yellow or STXT just one of them is FINE.

Currently there isn't a single script on the market that you can simply plug in a feed from either of these XML sources and it processes them. I'm going to go over those feeds very closely and figure out which I think is the best and propose any changes I think should be made. i will be promoting one of those 2 XML formats but honestly I don't even know which is better at this moment.

My script is not encoded or domain locked in any way BUT 1 license is for 1 site at a time. at $40 a pop that is very reasonable. Only the free scripts will allow you to go on whatever domain you want and install as many times as you want.

Nobody in there right mind will let you install all you want for just $40.

exactly my point, so make the script then

don't expect sponsors to make a special xml feed for something that does not exist yet

that's like an auto parts store stocking an oil filter for a 2019 Chevy truck.

lol, dude, come on, think about what you said for a minute.

your typing on a computer with an OS right?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

lol :1orglaugh

I agree 100%. Some of the free scripts are as good as the paid ones at the moment anyway. It's a lot of work to customize a script. If you get it working on one domain, do a nice design for the front end, add content and links and banners and all the other elements that will make it make money hopefully, it sure is nice to be able to replicate that on other domains with a new header, color scheme and alternate content selections without paying again and again, just like one can do with Wordpress.

Alot of people require multiple licenses to be purchased so they can keep track of what sites are running their script or not...

think of it like BV said, microsoft doesn't let you buy 1 copy of windows and install it on as many computers as you want do they? so why should scripts be sold that way, because you're to cheap to actually pay for it multiple times?

Many sponsors already adapted to the STXT XML.. and many more are currently adding our XML feed to their system..

MPA3 has customized their product for a clients to support our XML specifications..

So your script will import a sponsor supplied xml feed?

or do you import it from us and your customers import it from you?

What is the format?

Post an example and I will get on it.

http://smart-scripts.com/?action=xml_feed there you go.. :thumbsup
Here's how it works http://smart-scripts.com/images/stxt.png

Of course. To make an analogy, think about how many blogs one can create with the free Wordpress CMS. It's just impractical to do multiple MGP or tube sites with a licensed tube-style script if you are paying for each one separately. For the scripts that charge money I understand how the licensing works, one license per site. Some people will need the features they offer and the add-ons and for them it will be worth it, especially if you have a very complex site. For the rest of people just throwing up a MGP style video site, or a niche tube site that doesn't get hundreds of thousands of hits a day,one is better off using one of the free scripts with a little ingenuity on the design and see if you can find a formula that works to make sales before you spend a lot of money on licenses in my opinion.

How would any program auto add tags or keywords? I'm pretty sure that's impossible.

fuck, you just brought up a huge sore point and something that really marked a dark change in computing, when microshit started with all the bullshit and made it so that their os is a fricking pain in the ass to work with, and why I am running one of my laptops with a 3 year old install of windows because it is so fucked up to do a reinstall with all their spy online updates and licensing headaches for serials etc...... if I buy a copy of windows, I should be able to fricking install it on my machine, buy a new hard drive and install it again, etc.... so many headaches are caused because of the lame licensing crap

and as far as any script that wants you to buy a license per domain, instantly not interested, I'll find any other solution to use other than that :2 cents::321GFY

Wordpress is the worst example ever, as it was developed as a BLOGGING platform for NON-ADULT sites... Adult sites just started using it..

Wordpress was developed to give users something to use on their own host instead of free blogging sites out there.. They get backlinks like WHOA out of it, because of its popularity, that pays off for them, but no programmer building a script for the adult industry is gonna do that because not many leave the backlinks in tact as they just remove as much as possible, so the only possible way to gain anything out of pouring your heart and soul into a project is to charge what its worth to you...

Sure you can get TEVS for $250+ or you can buy JimBob's version for $20... You pay for what you get, and TEVS is quality, that's why its so expensive...

Or maybe just don't be a complete retard? I've had my current machine and Windows XP on it since 2005, 3 years, just as long as you, and I reformat and reinstall XP every 3 months, without any problems...

Being a programmer myself, we don't need your kind anyway, go for the cheap stuff, go use the script built by a kid that is full of bugs and will cause you more trouble, in the end, you will come crawling to us and pay our fees, ontop of the paying for the cheaper version that you've already bought but can't do anything with because it's borked and won't work. :2 cents:

laptops nowadays don't even come with operating system disks, there is a 'recovery' setup in a partition on the hard drive, which can cause all kinds of grief from those that I have spoken too that have tried to reinstall from


and on the other topic, I don't mind paying for a script, but I won't buy scripts that use the 'single domain per license' model of selling them :2 cents:

If you can afford $200+ for a script you should be doing something else.

Stop being cheap

:2 cents:

Specially when every license after the first one is at $120 and in some cases cheaper for bulk. :thumbsup

Gotta spend money to make money, and if you take shortcuts you're ROI will reflect that.

You can keep repeating that like a parrot, but it doesn't necessarily make it true. For example, I barely spend fifteen minutes a day on webmastering, yet I started one blog with free WordPress software on June 19th and have made over $1200 from it so far. The success had nothing to do with the cost or sophistication of the content management system, but more with the ingenuity and work I put into the design, writing posts, trading traffic, links, and selection of niche & sponsors.

It would be the same with a MGP style video site or tube site. One doesn't necessarily need the expensive tools to do the job. The advanced features in some of the paid for tube scripts are great but not the be all and end all. As a matter of fact I think some of the free scripts are better than the paid ones, at least right now. Furthermore, the concept ROI pre-supposes the idea of revenue vs expenses, so the less one spends, the better one's chances of turning a profit quickly.

I am not against paying for software in general, I have literally thousands of dollars worth of licenses for all kinds of software here in my office. But if a free script can do the job and do it as well or almost as well as a paid tool, there is no reason to downplay it or dismiss it. If your script has some awesome features that others don't, webmasters will gladly pay for it, especially if they have more complex tube sites or highly trafficked tube sites and if you offer a feature that makes their lives easier, like easy import of sponsor videos.

You should know that the primary reason to charge a per domain license is to
make the script a cheaper price.

Those who use it the least pay the least. The least is not really enough money to
pay for all the work put into the script plus support. So those who use it the most
pay more and that makes things work out fair.

The small webmaster can get a script and the bigger webmaster with 30 domains pays
a reasonable amount for building an empire off someone else's code.

When programmers try to make a living buy selling a script that is unlimited domains then
they end up charging $1500 for what you are getting for $50-$250 now.

If you think the way programmers of these scripts are charging is some kind of
"brutal shit" then I can guess that if you own an affiliate program then you
definitely do not have NATS. :1orglaugh